Don't forget some people pay extra to get a specific number. Jack's gotta be thinking to himself, "God this is too easy."

Exactly how I feel. But I don't trust me eyes so right after I have the certificate in hands I go straight to an expert to confirm authenticity.

Exactly how I feel. But I don't trust me eyes so right after I have the certificate in hands I go straight to an expert to confirm authenticity.

sorry, double post

more like a triple post

...more like quadruple post.

I confirm, quadruple post. Anyone else?

name a premium that doesn't have powdercoat.

Haha, ok I meant smooth glossy powder coat or chrome armour. There are premiums with the rough black armour like Mustang and KISS to name two. There are others of course. That's all I meant.

answer... To loose money unless its a Tron Le upon release. Its a absolute $$ trap. If you want an LE wait for 6 months after release and pick one up at NIB pro prices. Just my opnion

because the extra toys cover up the bad playfield art.

...because I have a problem.

I would always want the LE, especially if it had more features than the others if I decided in buying a new pin made today, however, then again I would want to play the game first which never seems To be an option unlike everything else that's an object that comes out limited you usually get chance to see in person or drive or play.

I think there something special about having one of a very limited quantity, engraved plaque and paper to go with it as long as the artwork or cabinet is a bit unique and can never be duplicated. Star Trek LE, Metallica LE MOP cabinets won't be produced again. So I guess I see value as long as the Cabinet is different than the premium version or future V editions. They can come out with Star Trek in the distant future as VE, but I don't think that will kill the LE. Just a great looking cab with integrated lights the only way to get your hands on it is to buy an LE

people that buy LE should only buy them for one reason, because they want to

I want the best game available, so I've only bought LEs since my first 6 months in the hobby, except for IMVE where there wasn't an LE. That said, I felt a little burned by TWD announcing the Premium after they already had me on the hook for an LE, so I'm a little more careful now. GOT served up a shit sandwich at LE (let me clarify....in my humble opinion), so I'm being careful right now. I might buy a GOT premium if it rocks, or totally skip out. Screw the hype from now on!

Artwork, cabinet parts, plaques, they're all interchangeable, but if LE is the only model with all the gameplay features, anything less is a partial game.

There's a fine line to be considered special. If a game is so limited that only a few will enjoy it, what's the point? If you want to feel special, go custom... hire your own designer, give them the idea and let them make your one of a kind... that's the only way to feel like you actually have something special, because you had input into the end result. Otherwise you're rolling the dice that your cookie-cutter product will actually turn out to be special enough to even hold it's value. (full custom rarely hold their street value).

Pros tend to hold their value just as well.

I only know of one remake and its not even close to being as good as an original. Very much overpriced… nothing more than a Stern Pro with an added shaker for $8000, really? And many complain about Stern pricing?

If you're a player there is no reason to buy an LE. The LE's are for the player/collectors.

You just described Avatar LE, except it was even better in that it was about 3K less than the current ones.

Can I nominate this quote as the most idiotic post in the history of pinside?

sure you can but it will never get past your top 20...

Never thought I'd hear Teekee smack talk the original B/W games! You know full well it's made of all B/W parts, and with an LCD that's even further verification of no Stern DNA.

It comes down to space, too. I can understand that someone who is constrained to never having more than 4-6 pins might want them all to be LEs. I like the variety that I get with my "15-on-legs, 10-in-storage" approach. But it doesn't leave much $ for LEs.

Like many kids, I lived on 5 for a dollar KMart ham sandwiches and Pickle and Pimento Bologna sandwiches as an urchin from a larger family in the Carter 70's. Now I am no longer having to live a life of KMart ham sandwiches at the Blue Light special. Thank God! I made my success in the last 40 years. (Not making and selling ham sandwiches). Now I buy what I want, especially LE's, because I can at this time in my life. Pinball is great, Limited Editions make it "special". Shiny, reflective mirrored backglasses lined up and lit, are awesome too! Very cool!!!
Why would anybody go for less when they can have more?

Wow nice collection of games in our state, probably the second biggest I know of in our state.

No

No, most of yours are WAY worse

This being one of them

I'm curious where you found anything even remotely "idiotic" about that post. First off, I prefaced the comment with the words "For me".

1) Premiums and LE's have additional features that the pros do not. Are you disputing that?
2) STLE with its RGB lighting, side rail lighting,cab lighting, laser lights etc offers the most among the Star Trek options and has really elevated the game to make it look stunning. Steve Ritchie himself has stated that.
3)Lately Stern has not given us a true LE since STLE. OK show me one pin since where the LE model gave us a lot more over the pro beyond what STLE offered over the pro. WWE? Mustang? Kiss?

I have no problems with people disagreeing with me and I respect other opinions, but it would make for a better discussion if you can elaborate on your position and explain what you found "idiotic". As for Teekee's comment, it had nothing to do with the topic and there is history associated with that. I have elaborated on that on other threads and do not want to spoil this thread by turning it into yet another MMR/MM bash. I think this is a great topic and would like to keep it that way.

STLE is the only LE I own (currently only the only Stern I have too) and I picked it almost solely on appearance. I knew I wanted a Star Trek LE or Premium, but didn't like the cabinet art or translite on the Premium. I love the blue on the LE and the side rails are fantastic. The shaker motor was nice. And the LE looks classic and timeless - it won't look dated in 5 years like the other two models.

I doubt I'll line up for any LE in the future. The Muppets is the only theme I can think of that would make me consider it and the last time I talked with Gary I came away pretty sure that the Muppets theme will never happen with Stern (at least on a pin). But if I do consider one, it will be all about aesthetics unless there are game play features on the LE not on the Premium.