As Mr. Gump says, "Stupid is as stupid does" (I mean, why would anyone sell such a great pin?)

In an unrelated/ related pin story w me buying into "reverse hype":

I'd wanted an MMrLE for awhile. When the Royal edition was announced. Instant deposit. Massive outpouring on the MMr thread that the game was " no big deal" over and over again, as the LE's could be upfit, would be remade again, etc. Little did I know how backwards that logic was, and due to COVID concerns, I backed out, thinking it would be easy to pick one up down the road. No big deal right? Wrong....

I definitely was played by (and believed) the LE crowd, as you can't touch these used for under 12k, and NIB I've seen hover around 14k. Proven title, nice upgrades....$4k more just for believing the threads. They were validating their investment. Is what it is......took that $$$ and bought AIQLE a bit later, never looking back (though will hopefully find a MMrRE down the road close to what they went for).

We are a strange bunch here, lol.....

Video and sound definitely leave a lot to be desired, and I hope they improve it when it’s done, but the layout and shots combined with a good rule set make it a great game. They could definitely do more with the light show too.

It is every new game 60-90 days sellers start. Guys have been coming and say I like the game I will buy the premium in the future if I still like it. Great way to buy at a discount. Happens on every LE including JP. I love the game. Not big on theme but it is addictive. It is for a medium to advance players. It is not easy and takes learning to unlock the game rules. These people who say boring don’t understand the rules. It keeps you on edge. I bought a used LE and love it. When I bought my LE every seller i chatted to said they loved the game but had GNR LE coming. All have low plays that are reselling. If asking good price they sell in days. If asking 10500-11000 they sit around. The high scores on most the used games we buy are really low showing the players aren’t advanced. We will usually knock the grand champion out of the top 5 in the first weekend. Elwin games have really really really deep rulesets. If an advanced player they don’t get boring. AIQ code way further along than Elwin’s previous games at this point. I can’t wait until to completely finished and refined. Just look at the shooter skill shots and super skill shots in the game. I am sure I will be buying GNR LE from these same sellers once the code is more refined and bugs worked out.

I recently picked up a Pro in a trade. I expected it to be a short termer, but it is surprisingly engaging. It's gonna take a long time to figure out the rules and apply the best strategy to dominate this game. I think the layout is great, the animations fit the comic theme well, but the voices are not great. I never saw any of the movies.

I was wondering who the Chinese superhero was, until someone explained that it's the voice for Black Panther's Wakanda accent.

After I was told it was BP, I understood. But if you didn't know beforehand, it sounds more like a Chinese guy from a Jackie Chan movie.

Despite some of the voices, the game is deep, challenging and fun.

Now I can't unhear Jackie Chan, lol...but Jackie Chan is a superhero so it's sorta on theme

Anyone who buys a game before the code is polished you mean? YMMV, but I’m not going to be the guinea pig anymore. For any pinball company. Can’t wait to play the game and see for myself whether I like it or not.

Upon release, the AIQ code was unusually deep and fleshed out with strategy. It's a smooth shooting challenging game already. The gem strategy and how to apply them is unique.

It's still smart to play it first but the quality of the code right now is surprisingly good. I'm glad I made the trade.

But clearly not music themes.

Game is tough. I think that combined with mediocre theme integration means a lot of early adopters give up on it.

The layout and rules are next level, but you’ve got to be ok with having your ass kicked.

This is exactly why I hate the popularity contest on Pinside top 100 machines. IMO, most of the new Stern machines are over rated due to this. People played them twice at their local barcade and it looked “cool” so they get rated high. Probably should add in the “beer factor” in the rating .

It’s too bad there isn’t a requirement that a game be at least 15 years old before it can be voted in to the top 50 all time games.

As for home owners buying a game and then selling it 3 months later, us buyers need to do better at haggling and NOT pay NIB price minus $200 if you pick one up.

There are more games made in the last 10 years on my personal top 10 list than any other time period... I also have to say I've never looked at the top 100 list on Pinside because I'm more preoccupied with what I like than what others like.

No idea, as this is my first Elwin title and thing blows me away...loving it, so many ways to play, and I dare say a beautiful game as Superhero pins go.

I have a nice lineup, but nothing like this machine!!!

Wow is that stupid.

All my games kick my arse Mark!

So true, so true....this is just a new kind of beat down for me, lol...

OK here's how it is:

There are "a lot of Avengers for sale" like there were a lot of Turtles for sale a few months ago and just like will be a "a lot of Led Zeps for sale!" in a month or two.

This happens with EVERY Stern game.

It's not because these games suck or owners hate them. It's because Stern makes like 7 games a year.

The other manufacturers produce a game every two or three years. So you simply don't see this "pattern."

The sheer amount of games Stern produces, with the sheer frequency, leads to this illusion that there's some kind of massive sell off for EVERY TITLE they produce.

Every Stern title gets one of these threads, and it's totally meaningless.

U know what's really sad. That u had to explain this at all. Not really a good sign as to the intelligence level of my fellow pinsiders.

I got rid of mine as the theme did nothing for me. Theme integration wasn't there for me and I wasn't a fan of the static LCD animations. Shots also started feeling repetitive for me. Might revist it in the future once the code is done.