You don't need to watch a 45 minute video, all of this info came out in the press months ago when the accident happened.
737 should have been put to pasture 20 years ago but Boeing's been cutting corners to avoid designing a new plane that suits the same market. Great move guys!
Quoted from cottonm4:I agree
See post #1.
Yeah you inspired me to check it myself.
Quoted from cottonm4:Is anybody going to fly on a 737 Max after, or if, they are declared airworthy again?
Can I interview the pilot before it takes to the sky? I'd like to be able to understand his/her knowledge of the shut off procedure for the MCAS before I answer your question. 
However there are countless veterans who will swear by Boeing aircraft for bringing them home even with huge holes in the fuselage, wings etc.
I'm actually going to recuse myself from your question, as I have family who worked and retired from Boeing and have pilots, flight attendants and others who still work for various airlines.
You know, you're more likely to die on the WAY to the airport.
dumb-and-dumber (resized).jpgQuoted from CrazyLevi:737 should have been put to pasture 20 years ago but Boeing's been cutting corners to avoid designing a new plane that suits the same market. Great move guys!
I disagree. The old 737 is a proven platform. Reliable.
The 737 Max was rushed to market with MCAS. I have to think that Boeing's CEO and American's CEO had both eyes glued to the stock price as it is suicide to displease Wall Street.
Quoted from cottonm4:I disagree. The old 737 is a proven platform. Reliable.
Yes it's reliable. So was the 727 and the DC-8 but they don't make those any more, do they? There's many good reasons they don't make those planes any more despite their reliability and value at the time of production.
The 737 has been obsolete for decades but instead of designing a brand new plane to compete with the likes of Airbus, they've kept the 737 on life support to save time, money, and the expensive and time-consuming need to retrain all pilots to fly it. Every change necessitates other changes, and the latest round of changes required the implementation of the new MCAS equipment/software which has you terrified of ever flying on a 737 Max again. And it's not like they can just remove the MCAS - it's there for a reason, namely that the new design characteristics of this plane necessitated a new safety system because of the altered dynamics.
Over-extending the operational life of a plane originally designed starting in 1964 to compete with much better (and newer) European platforms is a pretty good example of the typical American business arrogance and corner-cutting that really torques you off, no?
Quoted from Atari_Daze:Can I interview the pilot before it takes to the sky? I'd like to be able to understand his/her knowledge of the shut off procedure for the MCAS before I answer your question.
You are a wise man 
Quoted from Atari_Daze:However there are countless veterans who will swear by Boeing aircraft for bringing them home even with huge holes in the fuselage, wings etc.
http://www.whiteeagleaerospace.com/flight-without-tail/
This baby made it home. Way back in the 60s, when the jet age entered, Boeing made a big commitment to safety. That commiment allowed Boeing to call the shots around the world for 50 years. With the MCAS rush, Boeing pissed all of the good will away. You watch, when the US FAA says it is safe to fly again China will remember Trump and the tariffs and when the US wants China to un-ground its 737 fleet, China is going to roll out the welcome mat with a big old middle finger salute.
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Quoted from Atari_Daze:I'm actually going to recuse myself from your question, as I have family who worked and retired from Boeing and have pilots, flight attendants and others who still work for various airlines.
I used to work for Boeing. The Wichita Spirit/Boeing plant is seeing reduced hours.
https://www-1.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article231365233.html#storylink=topdigest_latest
Quoted from Atari_Daze:You know, you're more likely to die on the WAY to the airport.
That's cold comfort to someone who happened to get on the wrong airplane. It is a long ways down.
I was considering having LASIK surgery done to my eyes several years ago. LASIK had/has a 99% success rate. But before the shop would do the surgery on me I was going to have to sign a waver and there would be no insurance. That 1% was not worth the risk to me.
I see youve found the Pro and Premium versions, but how much is the LE version of the bleach bottle?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Yes it's reliable. So was the 727 and the DC-8 but they don't make those any more, do they? There's many good reasons they don't make those planes any more despite their reliability and value at the time of production.
The 737 has been obsolete for decades but instead of designing a brand new plane to compete with the likes of Airbus, they've kept the 737 on life support to save time, money, and the expensive and time-consuming need to retrain all pilots to fly it. Every change necessitates other changes, and the latest round of changes required the implementation of the new MCAS equipment/software which has you terrified of ever flying on a 737 Max again. And it's not like they can just remove the MCAS - it's there for a reason, namely that the new design characteristics of this plane necessitated a new safety system because of the altered dynamics.
Over-extending the operational life of a plane originally designed starting in 1964 to compete with much better (and newer) European platforms is a pretty good example of the typical American business arrogance and corner-cutting that really torques you off, no?
Levi, I stand corrected. You make many good points.
Quoted from cottonm4:Levi, I stand corrected. You make many good points.
Boooooom!!
Is this the first time anybody’s mind has ever been changed on pinside?!
I think we both deserve a medal.
Here’s some good reading on the 737 and it’s long history:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/business/boeing-737-max-.html
Quoted from FlashDaddy:Still haven't seen 11.2 oz beers in Seattle.[quoted image]
Most beer is still 12 oz. They just reduce the alcohol content. 3.2 beer in Kansas, for example.
Quoted from dothedoo:Most beer is still 12 oz. They just reduce the alcohol content. 3.2 beer in Kansas, for example.
Ah...Kansas just changed its beer laws. Now, all the grocery stores can sell 6.0 point. But it is not really 6.0. It is something that is being called “strong beer”.
But 3.2 has finally gone the way of the goose.
Quoted from LTG:WHAT ????
LTG : )
Kansas has strange liquor laws. Grocery stores can only sell beer with an alcohol content of 3.2%. Liquor stores get the sell the good ass kicking beer with a 6.0% alcohol content. But the liquor stores can not sell soda for mixers. So, if you are serious about your alcohol, you bought your beer and booze at the liquor store and then drove across the street to the grocery store and walked past the 3.2 beer as you picked up a 6 pack of 7 UP to mix with your shot of Jack.
Now the law has changed. Grocery stores can sell the good stuff and the liquor stores can now sell 7 UP. Nobody wants to buy 3.2 so it is gone.
In Texas and Nebraska, Walmart sells any kind of booze you can buy. It has sort of killed off the liquor stores there. I mean, you can stop at Walmart and buy your weenies and buns and barbecue stuff for a party. And you can also pick up all your booze, as well. No need to bother with going out of your way to the liquor store.
The mom and pop liquor stores have been fighting this law for years. This year, they finally lost the battle.
Quoted from cottonm4:Kansas has strange liquor laws. Grocery stores can only sell beer with an alcohol content of 3.2%. Liquor stores get the sell the good ass kicking beer with a 6.0% alcohol content. But the liquor stores can not sell soda for mixers. So, if you are serious about your alcohol, you bought your beer and booze at the liquor store and then drove across the street to the grocery store and walked past the 3.2 beer as you picked up a 6 pack of 7 UP to mix with your shot of Jack.
Now the law has changed. Grocery stores can sell the good stuff and the liquor stores can now sell 7 UP. Nobody wants to buy 3.2 so it is gone.
In Texas and Nebraska, Walmart sells any kind of booze you can buy. It has sort of killed off the liquor stores there. I mean, you can stop at Walmart and buy your weenies and buns and barbecue stuff for a party. And you can also pick up all your booze, as well. No need to bother with going out of your way to the liquor store.
The mom and pop liquor stores have been fighting this law for years. This year, they finally lost the battle.
If you are serious about your alcohol, you don’t need mixer!!
Quoted from cottonm4:In Texas and Nebraska, Walmart sells any kind of booze you can buy.
I remember a 7-11 clerk looking at me like I was crazy when I asked: "Where's the beer?" while in Dallas roughly 15 years ago. Glad to hear that's changed.
Quoted from mcluvin:I remember a 7-11 clerk looking at me like I was crazy when I asked: "Where's the beer?" while in Dallas roughly 15 years ago. Glad to hear that's changed.
Oh no. Dallas County is still plagued with its checkerboard of wet vs. dry sections of the county, AFAIK. Go into Dallas, there were titty bars galore, any kind if drinking establishment you wanted to frequent. But on the west side of Dallas at the Trinity River, it went dry for 15 miles all the way to the Dallas/Tarrant county line.
At least that is the way it was. Maybe someone living in the Dallas/Grand Prairie area can verify.
Quoted from cottonm4:Kansas has strange liquor laws. Grocery stores can only sell beer with an alcohol content of 3.2%. Liquor stores get the sell the good ass kicking beer with a 6.0% alcohol content. But the liquor stores can not sell soda for mixers. So, if you are serious about your alcohol, you bought your beer and booze at the liquor store and then drove across the street to the grocery store and walked past the 3.2 beer as you picked up a 6 pack of 7 UP to mix with your shot of Jack.
Now the law has changed. Grocery stores can sell the good stuff and the liquor stores can now sell 7 UP. Nobody wants to buy 3.2 so it is gone.
In Texas and Nebraska, Walmart sells any kind of booze you can buy. It has sort of killed off the liquor stores there. I mean, you can stop at Walmart and buy your weenies and buns and barbecue stuff for a party. And you can also pick up all your booze, as well. No need to bother with going out of your way to the liquor store.
The mom and pop liquor stores have been fighting this law for years. This year, they finally lost the battle.
Right over his head, LTG. I hope he enjoyed the breeze at least.
Quoted from Marvin:Right over his head, LTG. I hope he enjoyed the breeze at least.
WHAT ????
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