Quoted from 85vett:

Sorry if this has been posted already. I haven't been following most of the RZ threads as I'm not "In" on it but figured I'd pop back in here one more time to share this just in case it hasn't been posted.
To re-iterate my feelings of why I am not "In":
- Will need solid code. Spooky nailed AMH with code but I'm burnt in the code department. No longer buying until I see finished (or at least almost finished) code
- Theme is not a must have for me
- Was not impressed with the build quality of AMH. I know I will get flack for this but it's true in my eyes. I felt a lot of corners were cut and for the price it was bothersome to me as well as the owner of said game. Spooky stated they were upping that aspect on their next games though but we wont know that until production games ship.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/y3qZSQWic5g?autoplay=1&rel=0

Quoted from maddog14:

you are nutz. The build quality is on par with everything else out there.

Quoted from 85vett:

Sorry, man. Not even close to the build quality of other MFG's. Still good for garage built but I look at it for the cost of the machine. For $6K it should be built the same (or better) quality wise as what else is out there for $6K. Here are some examples:
- Screws that are glued back into the under side of the PF. This was done on several mechanisms as well as the slide rail.
- Slide rail, only one rail which is odd enough. PF is fairly light but the one my friend had broke out from where it attached at the front to the PF. Another place hot glue was used with a screw. And no, it didn't happen due to neglect.
- All those damn, stand offs. Stern and JJP use the plastic ones that connect to the plastic. For some reason Spooky had to go with these small metal ones that don't stay put on things.
- Screws put in at angles so that they actually hit wood. This is most prominent with the shooter lane ramp. If they just would drill the hole further to the right it wouldn't be needed. Let's not talk about how the end of that mount is cut to where it protrudes into the hole. This is where most of your ball hang ups happen in that area. Simple 5 mins on a grinder resolved that issue.
- Most of the 3D printed parts are hollow. You will notice this when they start breaking. We went through a dozen or so parts pretty quickly. Spooky's customer support was great and they sent replacements but they are still under built. The most surprising one was the piece that connects to the ball through coil. We finally replaced it with a modified williams unit. No more breaking issues.
- how about that cross over jump ramp. That lane guide leading to it had more bumps and wiggles in it than an old ladys legs full of cottage cheese. Worked on fixing it and quickly realized that they didn't allow for enough room for the screw mounts to allow for it to be smooth.
There's more but, one I don't recall everything as I didn't document it all as we cont to work on things and, two, I'm not trying to get into an argument over this.
My experience with AMH is that, for the cost of the machine, it is under built. At $4K, it wouldn't have been such as an issue but at $6K I would expect a lot more fit and finish. Spooky customer support is great but I still wont buy until I see a major improvement along these lines. They could have very well addressed all these problems but until I see it I'm out for good, no matter what the theme may be. AMH will probably always hold it's value due to the limit of 150 games though.

Quoted from thedarkknight77:

Surprised at how many passed, $1000 down and don't have to pay a dime until it ships???? What's there to lose?

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

RZ has that same "kit car" vibe to it that AMH does and appears to have far less toys in it then AMH. More people will backout when they realize what they are getting for $6k. A Stern MET Pro LED offers far more value in terms of features / toys, artwork, build quality, etc and can be shipped to your home for under $5k.

Quoted from goatdan:

Sorry for two in a row, almost missed this...

Let's see here:
AMH has a ghost, the door and the Hellevator.
RZ has the robot, Captain Spaulding, and a mini-playfield.
I feel like the two line up nearly exactly. The robot and ghost are both not directly interactive, they just move around. From what I can tell, it looks like the robot does more motion, as it goes back and forth and shakes, where the ghost just went back and forth.
The door blocks a shot until you hit it enough, and so does Captain Spaulding. Same thing.
The Hellevator and the mini-playfield are both things that are interactive with the ball.
Seems about the same to me.
If you would argue that AMH has the moving three target bank, I think the drop target is similar in nature.
It's also a similar amount of stuff in it as recent Sterns have if not more. Metallica has in the way of what I would count toys Sparky and the snake. Beyond that... ramps, spinners, cool stuff... but NOT specific new toys. Iron Man has the Monger.
Now, I'm not trying to compare them for fun factor - I don't think anything will ever beat IM for me in the way of how much I love it - but I don't understand the argument that some people are suddenly making that this game is way stripped down. It's just not.

There is a full color display with full color animation in RZ. If I'm sticking a colored DMD in a game versus a color DMD, that's probably a $200 price increase in parts alone. Add to that this game has INSANE animations (I honestly don't know how they did them), and I don't feel like RZ has had anything cut from it.

This part I do agree with you fully on. The more the merrier, I say! But I feel like the pricing of this is perfect in the market right now, if not a little on the cheap side for what they are doing. I wish them continued success, and I think that what they have pulled off so far is absolutely amazing.

Quoted from goatdan:

I have never once considered a scoop or subway a "toy". I mean, then Popeye has insane amounts of toys as it has three scoops on the bottom of it. It's a shot.
Magnets I find debatable. Would you say that the Monger on IM is two toys because it is a thing you hit and a magnet? I wouldn't - I'd call it one toy, in which case the ghost with magnet would be one toy.
Motorized target versus drop target is definitely up for debate as to which is more fun, but I think it just simply depends on how the game works. In general, motorized target banks have been used to better effect through time, while drop targets can be hit or miss.

Yeah, but you said, "Id say lots of the budget went to the artwork and license unlike amh." The color DMD isn't affecting gameplay I agree, but I find it very hard to look at RZ and AMH and argue that RZ looks in any way cost cut. I don't understand how they're affording to do it, actually.