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Edit: Whoo-Boy the new Matrix movie is ok after all.

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    #1 6 months ago

    It’s a hot mess. Such a disappointment.

    EDIT: eh, maybe I was too hasty. Upon second watching, and second/third/fourth thoughts and then some, I’ve decided it’s pretty ok.

    No way it was going to live up to my expectations so I ended up being disappointed. Now that I’ve come to terms with the fact that I didn’t really know what I was expecting (besides epic awesomeness) I can watch it with truly fresh eyes and just take it in. And it’s better this way. Although still flawed.

    My main problems are it’s too long, the fight scenes aren’t that great (and they’re also too long), and the “big plan” towards the end is pretty random and absurd…but there’s still a lot to like. And I do dig the message. Even more somehow since so many don’t.

    A wise man changes his mind. A fool never does.

    #2 6 months ago

    i was affraid of that...

    #3 6 months ago

    On the plus side, I’m hearing good things about the Lucy / Ricky movie on Amazon.

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    #4 6 months ago

    I thought it was pretty good. Oh well.

    #5 6 months ago

    I thought it was OK. Worth watching for sure. The only thing I hated was the cover song - you'll know what I mean if you watch it.

    #6 6 months ago

    Agreed horrible film I paused it about an hour into it wondering when the plot would start.

    #7 6 months ago

    same as the last Bond film ...killed the whole franchise

    #8 6 months ago

    Ok now you guys are making me actually want to see this thing.

    I suppose I can spare a couple hours on Christmas!

    I remember virtually nothing about the original movies at this point so it’ll probably make even less sense

    #9 6 months ago

    The Matrix - What an AMAZING movie. Some movies just come together and take you along for the ride. This movie did that. The story, the effects, the acting, it was a winner. I loved it.

    The Matrix Reloaded - There was some good stuff here. I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed a chunk of the story. And I gave them a little leeway because they were taking a self-contained movie and expanding it to a trilogy. But the ending left me with a bad taste in my mouth. As you may recall, at the end, there was a big reveal as they panned up the tables in the infirmary, and the music turned ominous, and they showed... him. And all I remember as I sat in the theater was "Who the hell is that???". To me, if I don't even know who you are revealing as the other part of the equation, you have failed as a movie maker. You don't need to spoon feed me, but seriously, who was that???

    The Matrix Revolutions - Talk about spoon feeding... The whole trilogy idea had gone off track. I was still watching, but I considered the whole movie to be a load of hot garbage. I was bored watching it. When I get bored watching a movie, I'm done with the franchise. Same with a TV series, once I can't suspend disbelief for you because I'm bored, I'm out.

    The Matrix Resurrections - (No spoilers) I know what the story is already. But I have no confidence in the the movie makers to tell it well. So some day in the future, it will be on cable, and I will give it 15 minutes. But after the whole series went so far off track, I doubt it will get 16.

    #10 6 months ago
    Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

    It’s a hot mess. Such a disappointment.

    Did you expect anything less from such incompetent directors? Jupiter Ascending was ATROCIOUS and the only thing the Wachowski’s are good at is stealing ideas and repackaging them as their own. I still firmly believe they stole the Matrix and they’d tried ripping off parts of the sequels which is why it’s a disjointed mess.

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    #11 6 months ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    The Matrix - What an AMAZING movie. Some movies just come together and take you along for the ride. This movie did that. The story, the effects, the acting, it was a winner. I loved it.

    The only one you need to see. Full stop.

    #12 6 months ago

    The first portion of the movie had potential. Sadly, once the plot revealed itself it quickly fell apart and became a disaster.

    #13 6 months ago

    I liked the very first one, could not get into second nor third. I'm sure I'll see this one eventually.
    Down for John Wick IV however!

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    #14 6 months ago

    I'm amazed people are still giving hollywood money at this point/ How have you not learned your lesson by now? Stop paying for movies, stop paying for streaming services and stop rewarding them for this shit.

    If you didn't know it was going to suck already I don't know what kind of coma you just got out of, but 99% of all new movies suck and the ones that are blatant nostalgia mining are always bad. STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY.

    #15 6 months ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    So some day in the future, it will be on cable, and I will give it 15 minutes.

    I must live in the future, cuz it’s on HBO Max right now!

    Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

    Did you expect anything less from such incompetent directors? Jupiter Ascending was ATROCIOUS and the only thing the Wachowski’s are good at is stealing ideas and repackaging them as their own

    Jupiter is off the charts horrible. My wife & I still make fun of it all the time - “My friends call me Jupe!” …and all the nonsense about bees lol

    I also thought their Speed Racer was horrible, although that seems to have a fan base now.

    However, I highly recommend Cloud Atlas. I’ll go to bat for the Wachowski’s all day long on that one. One of my favorite movies of all time, a legit work of art that gets better and better the more you watch it. If anything, it’s one of the best editing jobs of all time…cutting between 6 different stories with entirely different tones, yet somehow weaving it all together with a cohesive flow & structure. Amazing.

    #16 6 months ago

    It was OK if you keep your expectations in check. It was entertaining enough for what it was.

    I'm in with what others have said, which is probably most people.

    Matrix. It was awesome. One of the best ever. One of my favorite movies ever. Just so goddam great, and still is. Have watched many times. And will watch it again.

    Matrix 2. Simply put, the most excited I ever was, ever, to go see a movie sequel. I went to see it at the Thursday late night showing on launch weekend, the first available show. It was kind of a letdown. Having watched it many times since, its not all that horrible, it has some cool stuff. But, it just seemed they didn't carry the concept forward the best way they could have. The mystery was gone.

    Matrix 3. Saw it at Imax. It was kinda terrible. Again after watching it, its not too bad, especially if you could cut out about the entire 30 minutes or so where they were in the city having a party or whatever. The ending was overblown and not too original. The trilogy was done, OK we get it, but in the end, the original movie was the real shit.

    Matrix 4. Its just what it is. I sure as heck wasn't expecting much, given their track record since the Matrix films. It was a good popcorn night. Just don't expect anything great. It was at least a bit more entertaining than any recent Marvel movie I have seen, such as Endgame. I would rate it better as a callback than that Star Wars 7 movie.

    Quoted from gdonovan:

    The only one you need to see. Full stop.

    Its just a matter of how you want to contain the world!

    Do you say, there was Alien. And then there was Aliens. And that's it, there were no more Alien movies after that. I do believe so.

    Do you say there was Terminator, then there was Terminator 2, and no more Terminator movies after that? It would be reasonable. But I kind of liked T3, and T4 too. Even Genisys was OK by me. Terminator movies, they are cool, I'm a sucker for them. But man, they managed to put a knife in its back with the last one Dark Fate. They did it, they terminated the franchise.

    Do you say, there were just 3 Star Wars movies? Yes, yes, I think so, in my world. 1-2-3 were horrible atrocities since day one, and 7-8-9 were not as bad, but just, not good.

    #17 6 months ago

    I try not to dog on movies and just enjoy them for what they are, but yeah, it was pretty bad.

    Much of the movie focused on the original, with footage from the original. And followed plot lines from the original. And featured shots from the original.

    Watching this one just made me want to watch The Matrix.

    #18 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    I must live in the future, cuz it’s on HBO Max right now!

    Jupiter is off the charts horrible. My wife & I still make fun of it all the time - “My friends call me Jupe!” …and all the nonsense about bees lol
    I also thought their Speed Racer was horrible, although that seems to have a fan base now.
    However, I highly recommend Cloud Atlas. I’ll go to bat for the Wachowski’s all day long on that one. One of my favorite movies of all time, a legit work of art that gets better and better the more you watch it. If anything, it’s one of the best editing jobs of all time…cutting between 6 different stories with entirely different tones, yet somehow weaving it all together with a cohesive flow & structure. Amazing.

    Hey - No dissing Jupiter . It's my favorite bad movie. It was my go to movie back when you could travel. It has some many awful scenes. After you watch it 20 times, it becomes something very special. It replaced my previous favorite bad movie - Tango and Cash.

    #19 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    I must live in the future, cuz it’s on HBO Max right now!

    And I have HBO Max. And yet after that last turd of a movie, they can't even get me excited enough to thumb a remote.

    #20 6 months ago
    Quoted from DaveH:

    And I have HBO Max. And yet after that last turd of a movie, they can't even get me excited enough to thumb a remote.

    LOL, I’ll watch it cuz it’s “free”. If it’s as awful as people are saying, I’ll turn it off. Easy peasy. Too bad I paid to see Ghostbusters Afterlife…Sat though that entire boring nostalgia bukkake.

    #21 6 months ago
    Quoted from feedthebiscuit:

    Hey - No dissing Jupiter . It's my favorite bad movie. It was my go to movie back when you could travel. It has some many awful scenes. After you watch it 20 times, it becomes something very special. It replaced my previous favorite bad movie - Tango and Cash.

    Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell are way more entertaining to watch than Channing Tatum with bad CGI and makeup. The 80's ridiculousness of T&C hold up better than JA

    #22 6 months ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    Do you say, there was Alien. And then there was Aliens. And that's it, there were no more Alien movies after that. I do believe so.
    Do you say there was Terminator, then there was Terminator 2, and no more Terminator movies after that? It would be reasonable. But I kind of liked T3, and T4 too. Even Genisys was OK by me. Terminator movies, they are cool, I'm a sucker for them. But man, they managed to put a knife in its back with the last one Dark Fate. They did it, they terminated the franchise.

    If only Neill Blomkamp's Alien movie got greenlit!

    Dark Fate was a terrible movie. The rest after T2 had intriguing ideas and concepts but never really pulled it off. The fan edit of T3 takes some of the more cringy elements out of the movie and makes it a little better but there is only so far you can go.

    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    Do you say, there were just 3 Star Wars movies? Yes, yes, I think so, in my world.

    Same.

    #23 6 months ago
    Quoted from gdonovan:

    Dark Fate was a terrible movie. The rest after T2 had intriguing ideas and concepts but never really pulled it off. The fan edit of T3 takes some of the more cringy elements out of the movie and makes it a little better but there is only so far you can go.

    I respect T3 because it respects a fundamental truth about time travel: if you’re witnessing robots from the future, that future has happened. Judgement Day has to happen. There are no Terminator stories or John Connor’s existence without that future. Genesys & Dark Fate don’t respect that loop.

    The Sarah Connor Chronicles series is actually really good & has a lot of interesting takes on the story/more/concept. Worth watching if you haven’t seen it.

    #24 6 months ago

    Wow you guys harsh. It wasn't on par with the previous films but it wasn't THAT bad.

    The story was fine but the action was horrible. Phoned in. Every Kung-fu fight, gun fight and chase sequence fell really flat. The "upgrades" were just lazy. Like not needing a land line to go between worlds. Huh?

    There wasn't any lense filter to differentiate the real world and the matrix either so that felt odd.

    They kind of made fun of all of this throughout the film, too. Like they knew they were making a semi parody of what was before.

    I don't recommend paying 20 bucks to see it but for free on HBO max, go for it. Have fun. Giggle a bit.

    #25 6 months ago

    love how there is no inspiration in films ....
    how many remakes are required !

    #26 6 months ago

    It is pretty bad. The only reason I watched it is because I get HBO Max free with my internet package.

    #27 6 months ago

    Trailers looked like an interesting twist -oh well.
    You saved me two hours over holidays.
    I’ll check out Spider-Man instead.

    #28 6 months ago

    Who ever thought a matrix film with less over the top fighting was a good idea should never work in film again!

    #29 6 months ago
    Quoted from loneranger:

    The only thing I hated was the cover song - you'll know what I mean if you watch it.

    Please tell me there is a Rage Against the Machine cover. Folk version of "Freedom"?

    #30 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    ...
    However, I highly recommend Cloud Atlas. I’ll go to bat for the Wachowski’s all day long on that one. One of my favorite movies of all time, a legit work of art that gets better and better the more you watch it. If anything, it’s one of the best editing jobs of all time…cutting between 6 different stories with entirely different tones, yet somehow weaving it all together with a cohesive flow & structure. Amazing.

    There was also another director who took point BEFORE the Wachowski’s nearly bombed it. More than a few producers also had a hand. So many people worked on that film, I’m sure they reigned in their outrageous, spongebob-on-crack levels of cuts. Otherwise that movie would have been wall to wall, no time to breath, sensory overload!

    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    Do you say there was Terminator, then there was Terminator 2, and no more Terminator movies after that? It would be reasonable. But I kind of liked T3, and T4 too. Even Genisys was OK by me. Terminator movies, they are cool, I'm a sucker for them. But man, they managed to put a knife in its back with the last one Dark Fate. They did it, they terminated the franchise.
    Do you say, there were just 3 Star Wars movies? Yes, yes, I think so, in my world. 1-2-3 were horrible atrocities since day one, and 7-8-9 were not as bad, but just, not good.

    Terminator and T2 were both by Cameron and T3 onwards was all crap by different directors. Cameron made Dark Fate because he had personally stated how much he hated all the other films in the franchise and how they butchered his original vision. That’s why in the opening 5 minutes they basically said “there was an awful future, but thankfully it never happened” and it referenced the other films. It was pretty funny even though Dark Fate was trashola.

    The Star Wars prequels are so much better than Disney’s disgusting nostalgia greedbags. 7-8-9 were gross. Even Mark Hamill said they ruined Luke and totally destroyed all the characters that had been built just so they could shoehorn some preachy garbage . Not to mention the blatant racism by Disney corporate to appease a certain country we cannot speak

    Quoted from Rarehero:

    nostalgia bukkake.

    Stealing that phrase now.

    Real films still exist, it’s too bad Hollywood thinks that repackaging the 80s and 90s is the ONLY way to make mone- I mean movies

    #31 6 months ago
    Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

    Cameron and T3 onwards was all crap by different directors. Cameron made Dark Fate because he had personally stated how much he hated all the other films in the franchise and how they butchered his original vision

    Cameron did not direct or write Dark Fate. He gets producer credit as a courtesy & paycheck.

    #32 6 months ago
    Quoted from Coolpinballdino:

    Agreed horrible film I paused it about an hour into it wondering when the plot would start.

    This was definitely a film where I kept wondering when the film would pick up and get interesting all the way up until the last 20 minutes, when I realized "it won't"

    #33 6 months ago

    They should have let Tyler Sheridan do it, everything he touches is GOLD.

    #34 6 months ago

    Whod'a thunk a franchise brought back from the dead after however many years would suck.

    #35 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Cameron did not direct or write Dark Fate. He gets producer credit as a courtesy & paycheck.

    I respect your opinions and agree with you on most your posts however
    Not true, Cameron worked extensively with the team in his role as producer:

    CAMERON: This is a continuation of the story from Terminator 1 and Terminator 2. And we’re pretending the other films were a bad dream. Or an alternate timeline, which is permissible in our multi-verse. This was really driven more by [Tim] than anybody, surprisingly, because I came in pretty agnostic about where we took it. The only thing I insisted on was that we somehow revamp it and reinvent it for the 21st century.

    #36 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    I respect T3 because it respects a fundamental truth about time travel: if you’re witnessing robots from the future, that future has happened. Judgement Day has to happen. There are no Terminator stories or John Connor’s existence without that future. Genesys & Dark Fate don’t respect that loop.
    The Sarah Connor Chronicles series is actually really good & has a lot of interesting takes on the story/more/concept. Worth watching if you haven’t seen it.

    Yes! Sarah Connor Chronicles was good, we really enjoyed it. We watched in the original run, that was 2008, so long ago. Might be worth watching again, I presume it is out there somewhere.

    Quoted from Wicked-Flip:

    Wow you guys harsh. It wasn't on par with the previous films but it wasn't THAT bad.
    The story was fine but the action was horrible. Phoned in. Every Kung-fu fight, gun fight and chase sequence fell really flat. The "upgrades" were just lazy. Like not needing a land line to go between worlds. Huh?
    There wasn't any lense filter to differentiate the real world and the matrix either so that felt odd.
    They kind of made fun of all of this throughout the film, too. Like they knew they were making a semi parody of what was before.
    I don't recommend paying 20 bucks to see it but for free on HBO max, go for it. Have fun. Giggle a bit.

    Yes, I agree. Let it fall into the category of what it is, and its OK. However, you are right about the fighting. This is where there is such consistent failure in Hollywood, the fast-cut fight scenes, where each cut is about 0.5 seconds long. It just flashes by, it has no meaning or entertainment value. Its in pretty much all movies, and it sucks.

    To get the taste out of your mouth, watch The Raid

    #37 6 months ago

    But hey there's still time to see the new Ghostbusters flick!

    #38 6 months ago

    I was pretty impressed, its a bit too long like all Whichowski flicks but it came correct for me.

    There are some issues of course; the shitty frame drop slow mo they use seemed REALLY bad to me; literally a VHS camcorder effect.

    If anyone thought a trans theme, trans made film on 2021 would do well on Pinside i have no idea what to say to that This site lost their shit over Laura Dern having purple hair in SW FFS

    #39 6 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Jupiter is off the charts horrible. My wife & I still make fun of it all the time - “My friends call me Jupe!” …and all the nonsense about bees lol
    I also thought their Speed Racer was horrible, although that seems to have a fan base now.
    However, I highly recommend Cloud Atlas. I’ll go to bat for the Wachowski’s all day long on that one. One of my favorite movies of all time, a legit work of art that gets better and better the more you watch it. If anything, it’s one of the best editing jobs of all time…cutting between 6 different stories with entirely different tones, yet somehow weaving it all together with a cohesive flow & structure. Amazing.

    To touch on some other things, I fucking LOVE Speed Racer...at the time and probably now there is nothing that looks like it; its completely insane. Again, needlessly long and many side plots yada yada standard.

    Jupiter Assessing should be watched yearly its so fucking bad its awesome. Its is so wrong on so many levels and it just keeps going...and going...and going with its horribness. Its so fun, unlike Cloud Atlas that was so off the mark its unwatchable. I mean besides the part where Tom Hanks plays a British pimp with gold teeth.

    #40 6 months ago

    First Matrix, so good....every other Matrix, so so bad. Made it halfway through the latest one. When they had some completely generic actor playing Agent Smith, I gave up. They took away Hugo Weaving AND Laurence Fishburne? The charisma deficit was blinding....

    However, the Rifftrax versions of the Matrix sequels are stellar.

    #41 6 months ago
    Quoted from m00nmuppet:

    They took away Hugo Weaving...

    "They" didn't take him away. He was busy with other projects.

    #42 6 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I was pretty impressed, its a bit too long like all Whichowski flicks but it came correct for me.
    There are some issues of course; the shitty frame drop slow mo they use seemed REALLY bad to me; literally a VHS camcorder effect.
    If anyone thought a trans theme, trans made film on 2021 would do well on Pinside i have no idea what to say to that This site lost their shit over Laura Dern having purple hair in SW FFS

    I’m pretty sure their personal lives have nothing to do with making consistently shitty movies and a one-hit wonder. It’s also shitty to retroactively try and apply a “modern” story onto something that has been blatantly and thoroughly debunked by the same directors for 20 years.

    It would be the same if George Miller said Mad Max was actually a gay love story the entire time. It would obviously be a cash-grab.

    Cassandra Peterson’s personal life has no effect on her professional career nor has she tried to frame her past that way. Not everything has to been seen as a modern political allegory

    #43 6 months ago

    Man having Hugo Weaving would have been a real treat for this movie, such a shame it couldn't happen. I did like NPH, is he not always good??

    #44 6 months ago

    Hugo was in negotiations but they basically cut ties when there was a need to work around some scheduling for Hugo and his current commitments.

    I actually thought the Newbie Bugs was great!

    #45 6 months ago

    Jupiter Ascending is so painfully, embarrassingly, repugnantly bad that it's not even fun just to watch and laugh at. My go-to bad movies: both of the Machete movies are awesome to watch and laugh. Both are purposely so bad that it's funny.

    I never really liked the first Matrix movie and haven't seen the second or third, so probably will be a long time before I get caught up and watch the forth (if ever).

    #46 6 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I was pretty impressed, its a bit too long like all Whichowski flicks but it came correct for me.
    There are some issues of course; the shitty frame drop slow mo they use seemed REALLY bad to me; literally a VHS camcorder effect.
    If anyone thought a trans theme, trans made film on 2021 would do well on Pinside i have no idea what to say to that This site lost their shit over Laura Dern having purple hair in SW FFS

    See, this is the opinion I was looking for!

    I'll probably watch it in the next day or so.

    #47 6 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    He was busy with other projects

    Like not being in a cash grab crappy sequel.

    #48 6 months ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    I actually thought the Newbie Bugs was great!

    Bugs was great, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II was great, Keanu plays it correct as Does Moss; & I liked the new Smith as well.

    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    See, this is the opinion I was looking for!
    I'll probably watch it in the next day or so.

    It can be slow, but I thought all the meta shit at the beginning was great so it didn't bother me at all. It had just the correct amount of nostalgia for me; and I couldn't stand 2 & 3.

    #49 6 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    It can be slow, but I thought all the meta shit at the beginning was great so it didn't bother me at all. It had just the correct amount of nostalgia for me; and I couldn't stand 2 & 3.

    The thing is, this franchise/movie has never been a religion to me. I saw the first one twice, thought it was great, and I think I made it through the second one and never bothered with the third.

    Perhaps not giving too much of a shit or caring how much it "lives up to the original" will work in my favor!!

    My childhood (my mid 20s) is in no danger of being murdered!

    #50 6 months ago

    I’m waiting for the code update.

    It wasn’t great but it wasn’t horrible. I guess I had the bar set low.

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