No I don't think so.

No, it's not an EM.

Mellon sales may increase slightly.

honey do.

Cantaloupe??

Guys, let's wait and see...

I give Stern a ton of credit for taking a risk and doing something creative. So sick of the hackneyed licensed themes that have been rolling out for years. Btw, this game is apparently "fast" - not an EM - more like a hybrid of modern tech with the old school aesthetic and game design.

I'm hoping for more original themes moving forward.

Maybe I am crazy but I am thinking of picking one up. I will have to read through all the posts here......

update on pinball news and some under the hood shots
http://www.pinballnews.com/games/whoanellie/index2.html

The games at TPF had a couple different slant levels. The middle one was mostly flat - and the flippers tuned down. Definitely played slow like the EM's I've tinkered with. (Not normally a big EM guy myself). The one on the crate was more heavily slanted, and with the flippers tuned to be a bit more peppy.

If the speed of the game is the only real complaint, that seems solvable.

Btw, this game is apparently "fast"- just like many EMs.

In general you're not going to have EM prices go through the roof because 90% of them are in disrepair... you're never going to get to a place where casual people are buying broken EM's for high dollars. Because most of them are broken it limits the market to pinheads who have the ability (and desire, and time) to repair them... which keeps the price down. Even fully working, restored EM's need a little tinkering every once in awhile and your average home owner is clueless to working on them.

SS pinball machines ultimately can be repaired, usually, by just buying new boards if it gets bad enough. Obviously you can have bad coils, etc. but a casual home owner at least has a chance at fixing them, there's no way they're going to move up the learning curve far enough to repair their EM when something acts up.

So I don't personally feel the price of EM's is ever going to skyrocket, except for the highly collectible ones that pinheads really want for their collection and will pay a premium for...

I tried to order there but did get great service on some shaker motors. Can a distributor please pm me a price for 2 with cash or check no credit card. I am ready to purchase two.

I dont understand the appeal from this kind of games, at all.

Is the game available on legs? Purely the crate base? I'm sure I've seen images of one of sterns on legs but maybe that was a home brew game? Sorry if it's been mentioned not had much chance to read through press releases and entire thread.

Not a game for you then.

I keep reading you get both legs and crate.

That's because the game comes with both.

lol. I've got a dozen fully functioning EMs, some more than 50 years old and haven't had to purchase a new board for any of them yet. Or do tedious ground modifications...

I do. It is a pinball machine. Most people on this forum like pinball machines.

yes, it would seem as if that poster has some seriously faulty assumptions...

He was probably right about the part where he said the prices won't be skyrocketing though. One can only hope...

well, i'm hoping along with you...

sadly, they've been rising now for awhile... fewer and fewer decent project machines, and some, ummm, "dmd pricing logic", on those that are not projects...

I think we will see a rise in the market price for the guys doing full blown restorations where everything looks like new again (or worse than new ) and sounds and plays as an EM should. Even at prices like $3495 for a restoration, it puts it well below the street price of WNBJM and there are plenty of great EM titles out there from the past 50+ years to select from.

But, the next time someone asks: "What's the best xxxxx EM out there?", we should probably refrain from answering if it happens to be on our want lists.

i think we should make a pact... whenever anyone asks that question, we should all answer "el toro"...

El Toro is a $1400 game folks!

y'kniw, if it wasn't so cruel to do it, that would be a good snipe hunt to send new people on...

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Poor Odin, you used to be the lone defender of this one. Nostalgia can be a gift or a curse.

It's funny how some games get hyped up to legendary status. It would be fun to manipulate things so El Toro was the flavor of the week.

Only because it cost me $5 in quarters and my Schwinn Stingray when it first came out. I haven't played one in 40 years. You guys have beat me down to thinking it was a lousy game, but someday me and the bullfighter will go for round 2.

New "All-Steel" door?

Is this when they finally decided to dump wooden doors, because they were so easy to break into?

Nah, they just changed the design from the old steel door.

I've never played one. I have to wonder, can it really be that bad?

I believe the "improved" part was where they added the diamond so you could put a Bally sticker there.

No, it was really that good.

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you are a wise man...

yup... and i betcha it would be doable too*... i think most of us have been members of enough online communities for long enough to "know" how it could be done... just plant the seeds, water and fertilize them, and watch them grow...

* upon reflection, it would be doable for virtually any machine other than el toro... the total suckosity of that machine might be too much to overcome...

yes... it is that bad...

as bad as you have been convinced that it is, it is actually even worse than that...

it truly is the exception that proves the rule of "there are no bad em pinball machines"...

Well, a couple of the supposed great ones left me scratching my head wondering if I missed something. I would think it could go the other way as well.

I really liked the staggered rollover lanes at the top.

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if it makes you feel any better, the same thing has happened to me... there are few that everyone seems to love that i just don't get...

and yea, it does go the other way sometimes for sure... my long time irrational love for pro-football, for example... that game doesn't make a lot of "wanted" lists...

There are a few that everyone seems to love that I just won't get...

Their previous door was metal skin over wood backing. So, this was metal over a metal backing frame. El Toro was apparently also when they introduced their "Chime Unit" to replace those pesky bells everyone hates so much

And yes, O-din, it really is as bad as we keep saying. I am not sure why I ever dropped a coin in it at the bowling alley. I suppose it seemed like it must be very easy to get that special lit. I actually own a very nice example of it. When it finally sees the light of day from my storage unit, you are welcome to play it to get it out of your system. It should only take a couple of games, maybe 3?

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It seemed that way indeed. But I remember it wasn't. Thus the $5 in change down the drain. I was supposed to get food with that money.

This will be my answer....

Buy a Williams "Student Prince" It has a high collectability with the collectors, people will call you out of the sky blue just to come over to play it.

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Well, it's fairly homely but it does have zipper flippers and a ball return gate. Looks kind of interesting actually.

OMG! I had that exact bike!!

You didn't find it outside an arcade in California did you?

I got it for x-mas sometime around 1970. When I came out from Pizza Pub after spending all my lunch money on El Toro, it was gone.

And you still defend El Toro. That is devotion.

There were newer and better bikes to be had! Unfortunately I didn't get one.
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