Sega 192x64 PIN2DMD-XL Color DMD


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#1 1 year ago

---Update 2017-08-31----------------------------------------------

Added new pictures and video.
Price is 369,- EUR (shipping in europe around 17,-/worldwide around 40,-)

This is the only solution for Sega large DMDs on the market capable of full dynamic colorization, frame replacement

» YouTube video

---Update 2017-07-07----------------------------------------------

Good news for all of you interested in this solution:

I decided to produce a larger batch this time so you all don't have to wait that long anymore.
Controllers are ordered and will shortly go into production.

---Update 2017-03-31----------------------------------------------

Important notice for customers from outside europe

You can order very convenient through pinside shops.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1020-germangamingsuppliescom/00236-rgbpindmd-xl-sega-color-dmd

People from europe can still order trough my online shop:
https://germangamingsupplies.com/Home

---Update 2017-03-31----------------------------------------------

Displays are shipping from Europe for now!
I don't want to talk about the reasons...

There will be a small run shipping from the US, but it takes a little time to prepare and keep involved people save from competitor not wanting my display in the States.

---Update 2017-02-17----------------------------------------------

Im very happy to announce that devices will very soon be available directly from the US!
I found a reliable partner, with lots of experience with pinballs and modding.
So this seems to be the next logical step.

No more hassle with customs, taxes etc.

Details will follow the next days, avaibillity and prices also.

---Update 2017-01-09----------------------------------------------

First batch is sold out!

I would start a 2nd batch very soon, but I need feedback if there's enough demand for it.

This time there will be no preorder payment or similar.
It's only "first come - first serve" and I will start collecting interested people from now on.

Because some (@Crash ) asked, there will be an option to buy only the controller.
But be warned: Savings aren't as much as you might expect and panels are hard to get and very flaky on quality site. this is why the first run took so long.

---Initial post----------------------------------------------

Hello folks,
As most of you probably know, original 192x64 DMDs are rare or almost non-existent.
Old ones are dying as time passes by and there is no replacement...

SO FAR!

We made a little test and we're now able to announce a replacement and enhancement for your big Sega displays...
Lucky1 made a special version of his PIN2DMD firmware for these big panels and gave me the exclusive opportunity to bring that project to life.

Following titles are supported:
-Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
-Maverick
-Batman Forever
-Baywatch

In addition to replacement, PIN2DMD-XL firmware is also capable of colorizing your game!

Options:
-Original orange color
-red, green, blue, white, grey, violet, purple, each in different shades (brightnesses)
-any combination of 4 different colors, e.g. white (100% Brightness), orange (66%), red (33%), black (0%)
-Scaling brightness to your own liking

---Images--------------------------------------------

PIN2DMD-XL_4 (resized).jpg
PIN2DMD-XL_1 (resized).jpg
PIN2DMD-XL_5 (resized).jpg

---Images--------------------------------------------

---Video----------------------------------------------

Basic usage:
» YouTube video

Demo:
» YouTube video

---Video----------------------------------------------

---first impressions----------------------------------
SEGA RGB.PIN.DMD replacement using PIN2DMD-XL firmware
SEGA RGB.PIN.DMD replacement using PIN2DMD-XL firmware
SEGA RGB.PIN.DMD replacement using PIN2DMD-XL firmware

---first impressions----------------------------------

---sample palettes----------------------------------

Baywatch
http://www.germangamingsupplies.com/upload/palettes/baywatch.zip

Batman forever
http://www.germangamingsupplies.com/upload/palettes/batman.zip

Mary Shelleys Frankenstein
http://www.germangamingsupplies.com/upload/palettes/frankenstein.zip

Maverick
http://www.germangamingsupplies.com/upload/palettes/maverick.zip

---sample palettes----------------------------------

---installation---------------------------------------

1. unplug your machine completely from any electrical power! Working with high voltages is dangerous and could possibly kill you.

2. open your backbox

3. Unmount your Backglass and Speaker panel

4. remove all cables from the DMD and the Display Controller Board

5. unscrew the Controller Board and remove it

6. remove the old DMD and keep the spacers (should be some brass spacers in different heights)

7. start with the lower spacers, then put in the RGB.PIN.DMD-XL so that the card reader faces upwards

8. after the display, put on the higher spacers and the dmd controller board. Put on the remaining spacers and nuts.

9. rewire the controller with my provided flat cable, other cables won't work properly

10. wire the red cable of the DMD to V+ of the supply and the black to V-

11. from Power Supply, connect N and L to a power plug to use it on the service outlet
OR
connect them after the main power switch, before the transformer to the black and white AC cables coming from the main power switch, just before the transformer

12. connect the remaining connector (GND) to the GND-line of your pinball, easiest would be grounding wire of the speakers, also attached to the Speaker panel

Put everything back together and fire it up

---installation---------------------------------------

What it's all about:
-192x64 pixel RGB Dot Matrix Display (no LCD screen!!!)
-custom controller
-Custom Frame/Housing
-PIN2DMD-XL firmware*
-Plug&Play*
-your old Display-Driver-Board/Controller stays where it is
-no soldering, cutting, or other irreversible manipulation of your game
-step by step instruction and installation guide

Replace your old DMD with our new system, and enjoy a whole new experience!

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There will be a very first batch of only 20 pieces!!!
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Price is 399 USD/369 EUR plus shipping to your destination

Parts are already on the way to me and the first sets will ship at 2nd week of September 2016

If you like what you see and are waiting for a replacement then send me a PM, Email to info@germangamingsupplies.com or whatsapp: +491573/2095097

Greetings,
Dominik

*PIN2DMD-firmware has to be unlocked with a small donation (~10USD, more is always welcome, it's all for charity!)
I am not able to generate it for you, but i can install everything for you so you can start faster when it arrives at your place
1. order a kit from me
2. I'll provide you the device ID of your personal kit
3. you donate and receive a key matching your device ID
4. you send me the key and I will install it for you

To be honest, it's no rocket sience, you can do it by yourself... ;)PIN2DMD-XL_1 (resized).jpgPIN2DMD-XL_1 (resized).jpg

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#2 1 year ago

Ordered mine

#3 1 year ago

emailed for ordering/info

#4 1 year ago

Good to know

#5 1 year ago

Mail sent

#6 1 year ago

Will these also be usable on Williams DOTMation slot machines ? They also used this same glass ?

#7 1 year ago

No, sorry!
Implementation is only for big Sega displays mentioned above.

#8 1 year ago

Maybe another market you should consider ?

Williams DOTMation slot machines were made in large quantities with dozens of different titles that used this same large DMD that Sega pinballs used. They are also very popular and collectible. I'd definitely be interested in a few if they worked on these slot machines.

#9 1 year ago

Awesome to have this option for replacement!

#10 1 year ago
Quoted from winslow:

Maybe another market you should consider ?
Williams DOTMation slot machines were made in large quantities with dozens of different titles that used this same large DMD that Sega pinballs used. They are also very popular and collectible. I'd definitely be interested in a few if they worked on these slot machines.

Since this is a hobby project, there is no market to consider. There are two ways to implement this.
I´m interested in the machine / own one which is the case for SEGA or I have one near me / get a logic data recording of it.

#11 1 year ago

So if I bought this for my BF I'd have to color it myself, right.

-1
#12 1 year ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

So if I bought this for my BF I'd have to color it myself, right.

Large dmd games used 4 shades of brightness. You can change those to instead be 4 different colors.

Colorization is not an option because colordmd has a software patent that no one has figured out how to get around. It isn't an issue for countries that realize that software patents are problematic, but so far no one has stepped up.

#13 1 year ago
Quoted from dung:

Large dmd games used 4 shades of brightness. You can change those to instead be 4 different colors.
Colorization is not an option because colordmd has a software patent that no one has figured out how to get around. It isn't an issue for countries that realize that software patents are problematic, but so far no one has stepped up.

But how is it that there are 4 different colors on the dmd?

#14 1 year ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

But how is it that there are 4 different colors on the dmd?

The code sent to the display board originally for brightness gets re-interpreted to display as a color instead.

#15 1 year ago

Is is currently intended only as a option for replacement of defective 192x64 panels.
The current firmware supports a single 4 colors palette for the whole game
which already gives some impressive results. We a currently not planning
to implement the higher resolution into the pin2dmd editor which would enable
increase of the color depth and frame by frame coloring but simple palette
switching triggered by keyframe may come in future versions of the firmware
especially because I just bought a BF

#16 1 year ago
Quoted from lucky1:

especially because I just bought a BF

Congrats! We love ours. Hey, send some pictures of your BF with this new color display. That might make me spend the money.

#17 1 year ago

Are these still available?

#18 1 year ago
Quoted from Rappelbox:

If you like what you see and are waiting for a replacement then send me a PM, Email to info@germangamingsupplies.com or whatsapp: +491573/2095097

1 week later
#19 1 year ago

I sent an email, but haven't heard anything yet...does that mean I'm SOL?

#20 1 year ago

Hey dude whats new? Still looking good for mid September?

#21 1 year ago

Pinball life has original dmd replacements

#22 1 year ago
Quoted from ccbiggsoo7:

Pinball life has original dmd replacements

for $500!!!! sorry but way too much when alternatives provide possibility for color at half the price.

#23 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

for $500!!!! sorry but way too much when alternatives provide possibility for color at half the price.

It doesn't look like it's half price... I see $399 plus shipping from Germany.

But, I totally agree, even saving around $100 and getting color is worth it.

#24 1 year ago
Quoted from bigbadmiker:

It doesn't look like it's half price... I see $399 plus shipping from Germany.
But, I totally agree, even saving around $100 and getting color is worth it.

You can build the lcd version for 200-250, but it is very much a diy affair.

#25 1 year ago
Quoted from dung:

You can build the lcd version for 200-250, but it is very much a diy affair.

that is the version I was refeering to.

#27 1 year ago

panels are on the way to me and pcbs are going into production this week.

Mid of september is realistic.

Greetings,
Dom

#28 1 year ago

Mounted in a Batman Forever Pinball...

» YouTube video

The video doesn't judge the real quality, brightness and overall look.

And even if you only have 4 colors... Choose the right ones and you will be really satisfied.

Plus, you get the freedom to change the colors to your liking

Greetings,
Dom

#29 1 year ago

Looks great to me, can't wait to get mine. Thanks for doing this and giving us an option.

1 week later
#30 1 year ago

PCBs and Frames are in production,
Displays on their way

Greetings,
Dom

#31 1 year ago

Any slots left? I'm seriously considering it. Any idea what the shipping cost to the US will be?

1 week later
#32 11 months ago
Quoted from Rappelbox:

PCBs and Frames are in production,
Displays on their way
Greetings,
Dom

Ready?

#33 11 months ago

Any update on when these are shipping? Thanks.

#34 11 months ago

3 weeks since last update. Please provide an update.

#35 11 months ago

I got mine last weekend for final testing. The panels are currently getting assembled.
I think shipping will be done in 2 weeks

#36 11 months ago

Looks like my SEGA DMD has been shipped, thanks!

#37 11 months ago

Do you have to choose the 4 different colors before these things ship, or do you have the ability to mess around with changing the colors to what you like AFTER you get it?
Thanks,
Mike

#38 11 months ago
Quoted from Pintucky:

Do you have to choose the 4 different colors before these things ship, or do you have the ability to mess around with changing the colors to what you like AFTER you get it?
Thanks,
Mike

You configure the software 'PIN2DMD' to use the colours your want to use. This new screen can replicate any 4 colours you want.

#39 11 months ago

First orders have been shipped
Australia is far away from Germany but I think they'll arrive soon!

Just little explanation on colors:
For basic replacement you don't even need a computer. When booting hold menu button on the back of the panel. You then enter a menu with different modes:
-device mode (virtual pinball/Sega)
-Color Mode (red/orange/green etc.)
-brightness
This will help you make some basic adjustments

Later, you can create a pin2dmd.pal file using pin2dmd-editor. In this file you can specify different colors for the 3 different shades + black

Example:
100% brightness = white
66% = light Blue
33% = turquoise
0% = dark blue

If you place that file on your microSD card then you'll immediately have the colors shown in my video above.

For Frankenstein I suggest:
White
Orange
Red
Dark red/black

Baywatch:
White
Yellow
Orange
Black

Sorry,
No suggestion for maverick...

If you have questions, ever feel free to ask, but please use the mail address above.

Greetings,
Dom

#40 11 months ago

Wow
This needs to be seen by all those people lamenting that pinball will die because nobody is technical enough to keep them running. When there's a will there's a way.

#41 11 months ago

Thanks Dom!

The screen is on it way, can't wait!

Love your work mate!

#42 11 months ago

Can we get someone in US to handle domestic distribution???

#43 11 months ago

Just FYI gang, I don't personally know Dom but having seen this thread this morning I contacted him and he had a few left so I ordered one and it is shipping today. Thanks.

#44 11 months ago

I had asked to be on the list when this thread started, received an initial reaponse that id be added, but havent heard anything yet.

Edit: just received and paid the invoice!

#45 11 months ago

Ok, I think most of you have been served now... or at least some.

for all that didn't get the chance I have 2 News to tell:

-Bad news-
I don't have any dmds in stock because a lot came damaged due to bad packaging from the factory.
You can order now, but shipping will only happen in the next 3-4 weeks because receiving, testing and preparing the panels takes some time.

-good news-
I still have enough controllers for serving 10 more pieces.

So, if you like to have your set, drop me a line on info@germangamingsupplies.com
or https://www.facebook.com/germangamingsupplies/

Greetings,
Dom

1 week later
#46 10 months ago

Just picked my new DMD up from the Post Office! Just have to finish work to play around with it.

Hey Dom do you have any instructions for installation?

Cheers!

#47 10 months ago

In case someone wants some short steps on how to install:

-Unmount your Backglass and Speaker panel
-remove all cables from the DMD and the Display Controller Board
-unscrew the Controller Board and remove it
-remove the old DMD and keep the spacers (should be some brass spacers in
different heights)
-start with the lower spacers, then put in the RGB.PIN.DMD-XL so that the
card reader faces upwards
-after the display, put on the higher spacers and the dmd controller
board. Put on the remaining spacers and nuts.
-rewire the controller with my provided flat cable, other cables won't work
properly
-wire the red cable of the DMD to V+ of the power supply and the black to V-
-from Power Supply, connect N and L to a power plug, to use it on the
service outlet, or connect them after the main power switch, before the
transformer
-connect the remaining connector (GND) to the GND-line of your pinball,
easiest would be grounding wire of the speakers, also attached to the
Speaker panel

When you power your system up again, it should display the pin2dmd-logo
for only a short time, or even not visible at all.
If it's longer visible then a few seconds and no output from your pinball
then please re-check wiring.

You are now able to play in demo mode for 3 minutes. After that period the system will shut down and only show you your serial number.
The key can be obtained from pin2dmd.com/installation

BTW: there are actually only a few controllers left, so hurry up

New displays are on the way but no. of controllers is limited.

Greetings,
Dom

#48 10 months ago

Thanks Dom. Mine is on the way. Couple of questions:

It sounds like the dmd does not turn on with the game's power switch and it has to be plugged in separately for power. Is this correct? This suggests ill need to buy a plug, no big deal if i do, just want to confirm.

Second, how does the new dmd receive a signal from the game? Is it through your flat cable that runs from the dmd controller board on the back of the dmd to the display driver board in the back box? This suggests the existing cable is no longer used. Is this correct?

Thx

Rob

#49 10 months ago

Partially correct:

No.1
For powering, you don't need a seperate power plug.
You can alternatively connect to Pin 2 and 3 (check your machine, they should carry both 250vac) of the main power connector CN1 in the backbox.
These should have up to 250VAC. The manual shows the exact wiring for Baywatch and Frankenstein
for Batman Forever and Maverick please check before... but they should be the same.

Don't forget to power of your machine before you do any modification on any power source/supply.
These voltages are dangerous and can seriously harm or even kill you!

No.2
The DMD receives data from the original Display controller board, which has to be mounted like before.
It comes with a special cable, so you can put your own DMD cable aside.
So you are correct on term 2

Greetings,
Dom

EDIT:
You COULD use the original 5V powering original Cherry DMDs but be aware that this may NOT work.
Remember, these machines are 20 years old and so the transistors may get a little weak.
Normally it should provide enough current, but for safety reasons I added a power supply to all displays

#50 10 months ago

Mine is also in transit

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