Or any other Tesla model for that matter. I don't buy into the hype. And I don't need a new car just to have a new car.

I've got no need or desire to give this company a dime of my money.

And if you are an owner or buyer, please don't crap on this thread as you already have your own.

Yeah I can see that. If nothing else they sure know how to stay in the news. Nothing like free advertising.

Of course that's what plenty of drama will bring you.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/15/tesla-whistleblower-tweets-details-about-flawed-cars-scrapped-parts.html

From what I understand, buying parts for them is even harder.

Do you think it's this thread that caused that?

Funny how the same dude that in the other thread didn't like anything negative has come to crap on this thread despite being requested not to in the first post.

Supposedly for an electric drivetrain it's pretty well engineered, which isn't saying much, but damn, it's so ugly

Looks like a glorified Camry except without the way lower price or the quality Toyota label on it.

And I can walk into any Toyota dealer and buy any part I might need even for my almost 20 year old Tacoma. And have it the next day if they don't stock it.

So are you out on Tesla or what?

If not there is another thread for you to boast about them.

Around 1832 saw the birth of the electric car. Pretty amazing how that fad never really caught on in the almost 200 years since then.

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Even making EMS, Bally was already destroying the competition anyway, and rapidly becoming the top pinball manufacturer, which would continue through the early 80s, so it really didn't matter what kind of antiquated games others were making. On the plus side some of those last EMs used fully rectified DC play fields and were pretty snappy.

No, but I got permanently ejected from that thread for stating my opinion, so obviously to me it is a fanboys only thread. And likewise they are not welcome here as stated in my original post..

Soon they will rule Uranus.

Some people just gotta be the first on their block to own certain things without even given it a test drive. I did it with TNA, but it was almost certain to be of the same quality of the one I played. And it was.

Never do it with a car though. I'm test driving and inspecting the one I'm buying or no sale. Plus I'm not buying a car just to buy a car. It would be because the one I have no longer does the job. And then waiting would not be an option.

I kicked that one to the curb several years ago

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More good news.

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/tesla-free-fall-jp-morgan-174138982.html

https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/the-biggest-problems-tesla-model-3-owners-have-reported.html/

It's a car and company this thread is about. Owners chose to buy whatever they like, and have the money to do so, so are probably not overly concerned what others that don't think. If they do, their problems may run deeper than those the car manufacturer is having.

Wow! You mean I could save money if I bought this $49,000 car?

You should see some of the videos on youtube. lol. I watched one anyway that was linked in the other thread.

But again, this thread isn't about them. I don't see I have much in common with that dude.

What I know is electricity is generated in a large part in nuclear and coal power plants , and not sure I see much green about those.

What I do see as green is driving as little as possible and getting the most use out of an older vehicle before considering buying a new one of any kind.

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Exactly. An already built vehicle does not need all new parts or need to be produced in a factory that will obviously spew some kind of emissions, not to mention the parts suppliers for those new vehicles and raw materials needed.

How green are those batteries after they have expired?

That is very refreshing to hear that you don't need some shiny new box just to impress nobody but yourself. Because nobody else will really be impressed. Now we are getting somewhere!

If that's what you want, there are a few with low miles on them. Most much less than they were new.

Can't tell what happened to the high milage ones though. Don't see any for sale.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Tesla/Roadster

I saw one whizzing around the neighborhood about 8 years ago, and I must say I was impressed! But that was then...

I don't like luxury cars period, so in that department they are all the same to me. Overpriced shitboxes destined to lose a large amount of their initial cost shortly after you drive them off the lot. And more parts and equipment than you need to get from point A to point B.

But hats off to Tesla for taking the lead in that department

They get the grease job at the dealer.

I have a gas mower but use a corded electric weed wacker to edge. It is lightweight and does the job just fine.

On another note, I'm like the only guy on my street that actually does his own lawn.

For the rest, it is the battle of the gas blowers, to see which one is the loudest, and which can start earliest in the morning. And all they do is blow the shit back and forth, one property to another. I sure wish they would outlaw those things.

When in the 90s that siren went off for San Onofre at 4:00 AM during a huge downpour, I thought we were already done. It went on for quite a while. One good size earthquake and we can watch both those concrete domes roll into the sea.

It was kinda scary, but raining so hard who wanted to get out of bed and go. So I yelled to my roommate " Does that mean it's time to split?" He said "no, that means it's too late".

Why don't you just pop one of these bad boys on your Tesla, then you are good to go!

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Yes, you've probably both said enough.

The title of this thread is not "Defend your purchase of a Tesla" but is "Who Is Out on Tesla Model 3?"

If you spent as much time reading, as you do self assuring each other, that may have been apparent.

Lucky. Now will you go back to your happy thread and stay there? Obviously you made a wrong turn.

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Yeah, I was booted out of that one before it even started. Also with the thread where these dudes that are raving about the car, some that haven't even taken delivery of yet, should be posting instead of here. But one thread must not be enough for them, they seem to need to smear their lovefest propaganda everywhere they can. Must be some sort of insecurity issue as far as I can tell.

I'm guessing they would not fare much better in a place like Texas where you might see a sign that says "last gas station for 500 miles".

Tesla seems more to me like it is an overpriced, overhyped grocery getter, that you don't dare leave the metropolis in for long road trips, and best have a solid #1 vehicle if it breaks down and needs repairs, if you do indeed need a car to get around. A luxury item I guess for those that can afford it and like to go 0-60 real fast between stop signs.

Wrong again? I don't think so. I haven't been wrong yet why I don't want one of these turds or even why I don't want a relationship with this company or be a member of their clan.

I am yet to see a sign on any roadway that says Tesla charging station in 40 miles or 100 miles for that matter. Or maybe I just didn't care to see it, but don't remember one.

But that's pretty cool that your car screen will tell you where they are, if that screen doesn't malfunction like has been reported in many cases.

And just like a Tesla, I have no desire to carry or pay for a mobile phone, as I prefer not to be some high tech zombie geek, so if I run out of charge with my malfunctioning screen in the middle of nowhere, I guess I'm shit out of luck.

One more reason to add why I am out on this piece of shit.

And you'd do better off praising this thing in the other thread, but I see there are others raining on your parade there.

Keep bumping this one if you like as each time you do, someone else votes in the poll and I can't wait to see the results.

Who said anything about paying for internet? Or large computer for that matter? When I am at work, internet is free for me.

And at home where I am now, I have a ten year old Mac Mini which isn't very big at all. Internet is $25 a month which is much cheaper than the $100 or so a month to run a smart phone which would be redundant on top of that, beside the cost of the thing. I am also ready to disconnect home internet, because it's really just a waste of time sitting here debating this kind of shit with people like you when I could do it while at work for free and get paid for it if I was so inclined.

Plus when I'm out I don't have to carry around that stupid device and show the world that I am just another idiot slave to it, which I really don't care about, but when I see others doing it I know I don't want that to be me.

But keep on assuming what you like and defending your car until the end, and we may find out who the real ass is, you or me.

I've had maybe 100s of cars before, but have never felt the need to defend any of what I drive like it is a family member or anything like that, but of course when i buy something, I try to do it with good taste.

And tell me again how I am ignorant for not wanting to jump on the bandwagon and use my hard earned money to buy something I have absolutely no desire to own or use for just because somebody else is trying to force their opinion down my throat.

Ignorance, yes it must be pure ignorance on my part.

Yes. But I like it because even to this day, the battery has never gone dead, and it has always worked right when I turn it on.

Anything to keep me showing up.

Was an auto tech for 30 years. Buying, fixing, and selling cars was part of it.

Of course with those cars I was able to easily source parts.

I guess I'm doing the same thing with all your ASSumptions.

Sure, who cares if their stock is one of the only ones dropping while the market is hitting an all time high. Who needs investors like that, with all the pre-orders for the car.

Again you are ASSuming something you know nothing about. He pays me to be here, do my job, and whatever else it takes to keep me here. He knows all about it and has his own ways of passing the time while he is here instead of me.

Would I rather be doing something else than explaining to you details about every comment I make? Perhaps, but it is passing the time so what the heck.

What I do know is if you are a typical example of a Tesla owner, then I am really glad to not be a part of that club.

It was a good money maker as it caused problems that were never there before. Sometimes right after the car rolled off the showroom floor. I was all over fixing those shitboxes. Didn't take a genius to work on them, although it probably helped. I don't fix them anymore, but from what I understand, it is still an issue today with some car companies more than others

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Opinions not welcome. Or they might be misconstrued as being stated as fact.

I already did back in the 90s with my Super Blackfoot remote controlled car. But that was from a company called Tamiya that I had a long history with going back to my childhood when I built a fully detailed model of a Tiger I tank. So I had faith in them and trusted them and the end product was something I had lots of fun with.

But yes, change is on the horizon, and it is only a matter of time before the big three catch up with Tesla and start implementing all the great features you can't get in a regular car.

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No it shouldn't. When you pull out a quote of mine where I started the statement with the words "I'm guessing" as that I am stating fact. And then go calling me ignorant for doing so.

And then go make your own assumptions about my situation at work that you know nothing about.

I suppose in the world you live in, you bend and distort everything to your liking to somehow prove you are more intelligent and superior to those that don't agree with you.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

Maybe in your own mind you already think you are more intelligent and superior to all those around you. And bending and distorting things and berating those with different points of view is your way of trying to convince others how superior and intelligent you are.

All I can say is GLWT!

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Meanwhile "All of the above" is leading in the poll.

16 hours later and since the so called experts on this vehicle obviously had more important things to discuss, I did a little research of my own. Now I'm not going to say "I'm guessing" and go thru that again, but all roads and many statements on many websites seem to point to this.

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No. I'm not seeing it unless you are talking about some embedded video that I didn't watch. He asked a simple question, and that deserved a simple answer.

Not many are going to watch any propaganda or other vids in this thread posted by those that have done their best to ruin the spirit of this thread and dance thru it like it's their own personal playground.

You can't even see that you are the one that has been personally attacking me can you?

"Moderated", and let someone else tell the jokes.

How about some of the other owners $50,000+ buying experiences?

"I have written to Tesla on at least two occasions and have not received a reply to either communications. I've had similar results in trying to communicate with their store. Calls are not returned. On one occasion when I did get a live person and asked to speak to a manager, I was told that they don't have managers."

"Tesla has a website that you can log your complaints and get a reply within 48 hours. I logged on several weeks ago and have not heard a word back."

"My Tesla S100 one month new - rear camera malfunctioning. Bought this toy for $125K, already had issues with Rear Camera blackout just I was in reverse mode and hit a pole while backing for charging. Pre-delivery issues with paint blemish on door and lower panel misaligned. Took it to Tesla Service Center at Dublin as per appointment for body shop. Tesla provide me a loaner but will not give me estimated time I will get my brand new car back. I called them and was told that it may take one week to one month. WTF."

"When my Tesla was rear-ended in March, I had to buy another Model S from their in-stock inventory, and it was delivered in May. Immediately after delivery, I found 4 problems with the car. I took the car back to service 3 times in the past 2 months, and the 4 problems still exists"

"I don't know who to talk to about the fact that I purchased a new Model 3 Tesla and the day after I brought it home a light came on saying it needed servicing. I took it in and they said it needed windshield washer service and also it was showing miles on the odometer. It was at 0 when I picked it up. It has been two weeks now and my brand new car has been sitting out in the heat. They also disabled my phone app to the car. No word on when I'll get it. I really think I should just get a different new car. The new car smell has probably baked right out of it by now!"

"Again our X broke down. As solution a S is offered. What I am supposed to do? Leave our fourth child at home? Even after complaining we have to do it with the S. The S does not carry 6 persons! I am so done with Tesla, NEVER again."
My Tesla accelerated while parking and hit a handicap pole. Tesla would not release the black box which contains pertinent information to me nor to the insurance company. My Tesla is still at Amatos, its authorized body shop. This is going to be 4th months in the shop, still waiting for parts. My impression with Tesla is once the buyer takes possession of the car the company would not do anything to help!"

"we were having problems with the car from a strange rattling sound emanating from the vehicle and the sound of wind as we drove suggesting the doors weren’t properly screwed on. We obviously were disappointed that we were having problems from the get-go on a brand new very expensive car but it shouldn’t be a surprise given the reviews I’m now reading online and my friend’s own disastrous experience with the Model X (steering problems, inability to turn the vehicle on and gullwing door malfunction to name a few)."

"I placed a $1,000 deposit on a Tesla Model 3 in 2017. In February of 2018, I cancelled the deposit online. When I received nothing, I emailed Tesla and have traded emails for the last month. The agent is sympathetic, says it will take a while, but still no refund after a month."

Tip of the iceberg. Many more where this came from.

Can you say "flamethrower"and "explode"?

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/video-tesla-bursting-flames-raises-concerns-55970923

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motoringvideo/10352361/Safe-Tesla-Model-S-bursts-into-flames-on-US-highway.html

"In 2016 my Tesla Model S delivered with paint defect (front hood), missing side panel, only the latter was addressed at delivery but the former requires full repainting of hood. Noted in delivery but was asked for accept delivery as-is. During 2017, multiple door seams started coming off from the sides and had to be repaired in the shop. While it was being repaired as part of the first annual service, service center staff damaged front side door leather panel (scratched and cut) and left dried glue on the back body."

"Bought in May 2017 --- in shop for creaky motors, trunk does not open properly, creaks when braking. It was in the shop for all these reasons just a couple of months after purchase. When it came back, the trunk still did not open properly, the creaking lessened to a loud wheeze and then a new problem - the sensors in the doors are not ready for market - they are not smart - just robotic - so if I had something blocking me in spot A today, it resisters spot A as someplace it won't open -- stupid application of what was originally a smart idea. The manual override works but not all the time. The creaky motor and the rest of the experiment that is Model X made me wonder if I had bought a LEMON for all of $125 K. I realized we had when I had my first experience of what is known as "Sudden Unintended Acceleration" as I was slowing to a halt very nonchalantly at a signal."

"So drive it for 300 miles and noticed the passenger front door and back passenger door did not line up. Then the passenger door behind the driver side the door handle stayed in unlock position while in the drive mode. Kept on hearing a grinding noise. Noticed the door handle was popped open. When placed in park, the door just pops open. It happened like this more than once. Then water moisture built up between the two doors. I called service and no one responded until a week past. Then it was too late and drove it to where I bought the car. No service manager or store manager on duty. Dropped off my car and they called me in a day that the car was ready. Not happy with car. Still have to pick it up and inspect it."

"Tesla has the worst customer service I have ever experienced when it comes to cars. The few Tesla stores they have in Atlanta or its suburbs is only about selling their car but little help thereafter. Incompetent roadside service for emergency. The car does not even give the projected miles. It only gives 60 or at best 75 percent of the projected miles."

"Purchased the Model X at the end of last year. Was a mistake getting the car, because the autopilot is a hazard to all drivers on the road, not just Tesla drivers. It has swerved in and out of lanes for no reason, slowed down abruptly for no reason, can't drive in a straight path on a straight road which causes car/motion sickness even for the driver, and the damn doors just don't operate properly."

https://nexter.org/tesla-model-3-new-features-crash-in-calif-epic-incidents-autopilot

When one side gets overly enthusiastic and starts spamming a pinball site with their propaganda and try to shut down any opposing view, it is up to the others to try to add some balance and help put out the fire so to speak.

The only passion I have about it now is getting these fanboys to shut up. It's beyond ridiculous. It reminds me of the "Go Patriots!!" bullshit.

They decided to kick me out of the other thread and permanently eject me from the entire sub-forum for way less than the shit that some are posting in this thread.

And indeed it's gotten way out of hand. These people are doing the most to make me think the entire Tesla thing is a joke.

What if there was a fanboy thread for every different car model on this website? Oh, it could happen, but wouldn't that be silly?

I was thinking the same thing until I actually saw one on the road this morning. But I had to take a second look because at first glance it looked like just another Accord or Camry.

Whoever was driving was not taking advantage of that 0-60 takeoff. In fact, it looked like it might have had some acceleration problem. I see Priuses move off the line faster than that thing did.

Notice how the owners and buyers and other fanboys of this car are the only ones on this internet forum that needed a whole thread to brag about the car they purchased, but are now spewing this kind of chatter on the one for opposing points of view as well?

Most people buy a car and drive it, without the need to stick out their chests or put up their peacock feathers in a "look what I've got and you don't " attitude.

Most people that is.

If they won't sell you parts for them now, do you think they will after they go out of business?

It's like the node board scenario, but worse.

That's been mentioned and a couple options in the poll address that. Big issue for sure. This thread may not have even been started if it looked like a solid, sound company with someone of sound mind running it.

I know I already quoted you, but I'm guessing you didn't actually read this thread but just stopped by because you had to put your two cents in.

Is it OK if somebody that used to own one or was thinking of owning one comments here?

And there you have it.

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I put about $50 a month in my Tacoma and it's been paid off for ten years.

All this green talk's got me thinking that maybe I could not only help the environment, but also improve my image by trading it in on one of these Muskrockets.

I'm not sure, but I think they've got one of those zapping stations behind the Costco where I get my gas anyway. And it's not like I do go very far .
Seeing that one creeping up the same road I drive to work today really got me enthused.

How much ya all think Tesla will give me in trade for a good running 2001 V-6 Pre-Runner with the big cab?

Do you need a reliable pickup truck?

What a goofball that dude is.

No, I'm good. Just another reason I don't want to be any part of this clan.

And don't you guys have another thread to post this kind of propaganda in with like minded people?

Fits the owner though.

I believe the general consensus of this thread and the included poll is no money should be given to them.

But there certainly are a lot of people with more money than brains in this world.

If you are not out on the product and had bothered to read the first post, one post from you with a simple "no" and maybe a quick explanation would have been fine.

But to continually crap on this thread and the op of it shows you are only here to stir the pot and the option is always there for you to just move along, or even drain it if you so desire.

But to keep on posting in it shows you probably have other ulterior motives.

I had dinner with the family tonite and asked my older brother, as he is up on things and the car world what he thought of Tesla. He said he had one for a few months. Not being overly negative he said the culture revolves around recharging. As it takes an hour or so, you find something to do while your car is recharging like going to get dinner and in some cases owners gather there and bond. Now he is back to driving a Porsche.

For a guy like me that can hardly wait while some defect can't get the same gas pump he has used at least 500 times to work, I'm not sure I'd have the patience to build a campfire and roast marshmallows while refueling.

Yes, reliability is a big factor determining what kind of vehicle I will buy or own, and also as an experienced master auto technician of over 30 years, what I will recommened to others that might ask me.

Which is why I have considered starting another thread-

"Who is in on Toyota Tacoma?"