Quoted from MotorCityMatt:

Our government does not mess around when it comes to safety recalls, and those cost companies a shit ton of $. Good luck finding a dealership that will do the service.

Quoted from Brijam:

https://bgr.com/2018/03/14/model-3-problems-tesla-parts-rework-tesla-denies/

This was fixed with a software update in one week. One week! Anyway, it was an extreme edge case where if you made multiple repeated panic stops your braking distance would be reduced. It was fixed by a software update within days and is no longer an issue.
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/tesla-model-3-gets-cr-recommendation-after-braking-update/

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:

Like when BofA bought Countrywide? Bad idea.

Quoted from BC_Gambit:

If you think everybody will be rolling around in massive gas guzzlers in 2040, you would be as correct as the people in 1978 thinking digital pinball games would never supplant EM`s.
There, finally a pinball comparison in a cargument

Quoted from kbliznick:

Someone at Gottlieb didn't want to move forward. 17 EM models from 1978-On
https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?gtype=EM&mfgid=94&yr=1978-1980&sortby=date&searchtype=advanced
1978-02 Pyramid
1978-02 Strange World
1978-03 Sinbad
1978-04 Neptune
1978-05 Eye Of The Tiger
1978-06 Joker Poker
1978-07 Poseidon
1978-08 Hit the Deck
1978-09 Close Encounters of the Third Kind
1978-10 Gemini
1978-11 Dragon
1978-12 Blue Note
1978-12 Rock Star
1979-02 Charlie's Angels
1979-03 Solar Ride
1979-03 Space Walk
1979-03 T.K.O.

Quoted from DCFAN:

One thing for sure, driving a well-maintained older car is a win for the environment over junking that car that still has good life in it and buying another new car made from tons of new raw materials. The gas mileage should not decrease much if a car is maintained and emissions tested.
I take some pride in keeping my cars longer than most people and actually fixing them myself when I can. I also try to be sensible about what is worth fixing financially as well as what is worth paying someone to fix when it is burdensome or physically taxing to my bad back.
I presently could sell both my and my wife's vehicles and still probably would not get enough cash from them to buy a Stern LE. It is a choice to stick with them that is just about being frugal and content.

Quoted from Brijam:

I've never seen anyone make that claim. But the truth is that EVs have vastly fewer moving parts.
Are you trying to say that maintenance costs will be the same on an EV over it's lifecycle than an ICE car?

Quoted from Brijam:

No, as I posted according to the data it’s way under 100,000 miles. Either post your calculations, or I’m calling bullshit on that 300,000 mile figure that you seem to have pulled out of your ass.
We weren’t talking about range. We were talking about whether or not it is more energy efficient to keep an old car or buy a new EV. Range has F all to do with that.

Quoted from Brijam:

Except they have no dealers.

Quoted from fosaisu:

I’m out on the Tesla 3, my 2002 Honda Civic has some life left in her still and there are plenty of other things to waste money on.
That said, I do love my electric lawn mower. Weighs less than a gas job, and it never stalls, floods, or runs out of gas.

Quoted from Brijam:

True. In those states they send a tech to you. 80% of repairs can be handled at your home, which is pretty sweet.

Quoted from Brijam:

Give it time, it hasn’t even been out two years.
I just got back from a 400+ mile round trip in my Model S. Total fuel cost $0.

Quoted from Brijam:

I too am glad you're home safe and sound. The place wouldn't be the same without you.
I'm intrigued. I know how I achieved $0 cost for my trip (free charging), how did yours work out to be $0?

Quoted from Brijam:

Fact: The Tesla Model S is the best selling luxury car in the USA

Quoted from Nilroc:

Odin your older brother is right. It is a different way of thinking. With a gas car you leave in the morning from home and you may or may not have to gas up on the way. Because we all know a majority of us do not gas up on the way home. We always wait until the next day to gas up. We put it off (Human Nature)
With an electric car you always leave the house with a full charge. If you calculate just this part into daily driving it's a lot more pleasing . You never spend anytime during the day gasing up. Average mileage driven in a day is 50 miles. When it comes to a long road trip you have to charge up along the way. There is always pee breaks,lunch breaks etc. It's those times when there is opportunities to charge. You get about 170 miles in 30 minutes with the Model 3. It does take a bit longer to get to your destination on long trips but it is a more enjoyable trip overall and you meet some new friends along the way.

Quoted from robertmee:

I disagree....What you do on your own time and in your own privacy, I couldn't care less, as long as it doesn't hurt the public at large. You want to toke a blunt behind closed doors, that's fine, as long as you stay there and don't jump behind a wheel of a car, airplane, bus, etc. Then it becomes my problem. As a CEO in charge of billions of $, the face of a company that employs thousands, and the reason that investors gain or lose money, you are affecting the public at large when you take a toke in public. Simple as that. You won't see any other major CEO pull such a ridiculous stunt, or call a rescue worker a pedophile without evidence, or any other such erratic behavior. Sure, google the internet, and you can find isolated incidents, but almost all have dire consequences.
Lastly, Elon is already tagged with eccentric behavior and already rumored to do heavy drugs. We at least know he abuses ambien. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. He has to realize this and tone it down.

Quoted from goatdan:

He did a legal drug. I know that Marijuana scares some people for whatever reason, but really, he did nothing different than having a beer where he was.

Quoted from DCFAN:

I agree with this. He is living in a liberal environment and did a legal thing. It still seems shocking to some people outside of the pot states, but I bet it will eventually be legal in most states. Also, I noticed he did not even inhale when he reluctantly took the single puff. Rogan on the otherhand, he inhaled and held it in. I am no advocate for pot and have never been into it, but I try not to be too much of a prude about it.

Quoted from DCFAN:

What percentage of companies test white collar employees for drugs?
I have never been tested in private or government jobs.
I can understand testing factory workers or labor because they could put themselves or others in harms way.
If a white collar worker is having problems you can just fire them when they don't produce.

Quoted from DCFAN:

I can understand testing when hired along with a physical, but how many do ongoing testing throughout employment?

Quoted from goatdan:

Maybe 30 years ago, but I really doubt it now. Many states are legalizing, and there are interesting legal issues that haven't yet been crossed in states where it is legal but doesn't impair your work. How you can dictate what someone does off work hours is difficult, and marijuana, due to it's nature, is tougher to figure out.
You don't want someone who is high on pot doing something dangerous with a bunch of people around. But, you also don't want that person drunk. If they are legally doing it on their own time safely, and are being safe at work, how can you really say the person who was blacked out drunk is far better than the person who was stoned?
I worked for a publicly traded company in HR at the time California made it legal, one with a drug policy in place. There was a ton of talk back and forth about how to handle it, and it basically came down to we wouldn't terminate anyone (in California) for showing marijuana on their drug test unless they exhibited signs of also being impaired while on duty. It came down to we didn't want to be the ones going to court to explain why we should be able to dictate what someone can legally do in their spare time. It remained a fireable offense in other markets because it was illegal.
Long story short, it's in a legally weird spot in so many ways right now (including that it's illegal federally and they want to enforce that while states are legalizing it...), but don't think that publicly traded companies are going to be fighting to terminate employees for what they legally do on their own time.
As for Tesla, they just announced a bunch of new executive promotions tonight. I said before Musk needs a strong second, and they seem to have just put Jerome Guillen into what appears to be that spot, which I think could be a genius move. Jerome came to Tesla 8 years ago from Daimler where he both led the Cascadia program and then created a car sharing program in Europe. At Tesla, he kind of has done it all - leading the Model S team from prototype to production and ramp, the Tesla Semi team, making an assembly line, running sales and service, and dealing with Musk for 8 years.
In many ways, he is quite similar to Shotwell at SpaceX, and I think could have the power and autonomy to do his own thing.

Quoted from DCFAN:

https://www.quora.com/Does-Tesla-Motors-require-a-drug-test-as-a-condition-of-employment-for-engineers

Quoted from JosiahCox:

Unless you feel the same way about alcohol you are a hypocrite.
Employees are screened so much because insurance companies have everyone by the balls. Logic says you show up at work high or drunk, you get fired. What we all do in our free time should be non of our employers business unless it negatively affects them.
For fuck sakes, let your janitor smoke some weed. Chill out. He isn’t hurting anybody.

Quoted from goatdan:

You said you wouldn't want the janitor smoking. That would be your rule. The actual rules, as I mentioned from being on the HR side, are much muddier with something that is now legal.

Quoted from okayestpinballer:

Show me a scientific study that shows marijuana is more harmful than alcohol, tobacco or for that matter prescription drugs.
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Quoted from DCFAN:

I can understand testing when hired along with a physical, but how many do ongoing testing throughout employment?

Quoted from goatdan:

Maybe 30 years ago, but I really doubt it now. Many states are legalizing, and there are interesting legal issues that haven't yet been crossed in states where it is legal but doesn't impair your work. How you can dictate what someone does off work hours is difficult, and marijuana, due to it's nature, is tougher to figure out.
You don't want someone who is high on pot doing something dangerous with a bunch of people around. But, you also don't want that person drunk. If they are legally doing it on their own time safely, and are being safe at work, how can you really say the person who was blacked out drunk is far better than the person who was stoned?
I worked for a publicly traded company in HR at the time California made it legal, one with a drug policy in place. There was a ton of talk back and forth about how to handle it, and it basically came down to we wouldn't terminate anyone (in California) for showing marijuana on their drug test unless they exhibited signs of also being impaired while on duty. It came down to we didn't want to be the ones going to court to explain why we should be able to dictate what someone can legally do in their spare time. It remained a fireable offense in other markets because it was illegal.
Long story short, it's in a legally weird spot in so many ways right now (including that it's illegal federally and they want to enforce that while states are legalizing it...), but don't think that publicly traded companies are going to be fighting to terminate employees for what they legally do on their own time.
As for Tesla, they just announced a bunch of new executive promotions tonight. I said before Musk needs a strong second, and they seem to have just put Jerome Guillen into what appears to be that spot, which I think could be a genius move. Jerome came to Tesla 8 years ago from Daimler where he both led the Cascadia program and then created a car sharing program in Europe. At Tesla, he kind of has done it all - leading the Model S team from prototype to production and ramp, the Tesla Semi team, making an assembly line, running sales and service, and dealing with Musk for 8 years.
In many ways, he is quite similar to Shotwell at SpaceX, and I think could have the power and autonomy to do his own thing.

Quoted from goatdan:

You said you wouldn't want the janitor smoking. That would be your rule. The actual rules, as I mentioned from being on the HR side, are much muddier with something that is now legal.

Quoted from Nilroc:

I could care less if Tesla is in the S&P or not. The only reason I mentioned it was because Tesla qualified to be accepted that's all.
Tesla does not need the S&P acceptance they do just fine without it. 2021 and beyond is looking fantastic for Tesla.