Maybe but they have scaled the chargers up really well over time. A lot of the locations started with four and have sixteen now.

Yes it does. The carbon break even versus an older car is substantially less than 100,000 miles, then it’s a net gain. It’s a net gain immediately versus a new car. Check back a few posts for the source.

Because it’s insanely fun.

I think you mean wasted. Waisted energy would be what you get from hula hooping.

You don’t have to charge it every time you park it, nor do you have to calculate long drives. The car does it for you. Just like it unlocks itself when you walk up to it.

I’d much rather spend two seconds plugging in my car in my garage every night than sitting in line and breathing gasoline fumes at a gas station.

No, there is excellent supercharger coverage in Europe. Their network has great coverage there.

This was covered months ago on the other topic that you were banned from.

Dying in a gasoline fire is much better?

Did you know that what the car manufacturers (not only Tesla, but they take it to another level) are selling us as luxury and modern is in fact a very big cost saver for them ?

I mean the touchscreens they use. It is way more expensive to put in all the knobs with the wiring and the power to illuminate it and everything that it needs to function, than to program it on a touchscreen that only needs a data connection and power.

I for one dislike touchscreens in cars and think they should be illegal (in cars). Everything you need to adjust in the car you need to look very carefully on the screen where you press and most of the time you also need to activate the needed function first. With knobs most people just can glance to where the knob is and then press it without looking to long at it, or adjust a slider without looking.

Any form of distracted driving is bad - that includes removing your hand from the wheel to make an adjustment even without looking. It’s dangerous and should not be done at any time while the car is moving.

Much of the car’s functions can be controlled on the wheel. Much safer.

I sat in a Model 3 for the first time last week and was really impressed at how easy everything was. I thought it would be complicated and annoying but it was way easier to use than my Model S. They did a great job on it.

I knew you would react to my posting, because you are the guy that when Elon Musk poops you think it smells like roses.

Even you react on a typo. Sad.

Much like politics, "Passionate" people on either side of the Tesla topic are just the goddamn worst.

It can also save lives too:

My wife drives our Model X....she likes it.
I drive our Model 3, I like it.

That is all that matters to us, because all the fanboys and and flamers are entitled to their own opinions. We bought them, we drive them and have real world experience with them. Sega vs Nintendo, Playstation vs X-Box, Stern vs JJP, Android vs Apple, EV vs ICE, Tesla vs Established automakers.....I guess it's just something to talk about and debate.

Two threads dedicated to Tesla on a pinball site is......ummm

No, it isn't.
You just get as worked up as they do and get tunnel vision which turns into pointless stupid jabs at each other, drifting deeper into nonsensical examples until you end up correcting grammer or spelling or some stupid shit like that.

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Never see Teslas on the road. Is it a second vehicle for most with a real car for practical use? Such as driving without worrying about a limited range.

What are my options if I suddenly decide I want to drive up to Fayetteville South Carolina and the $50K Tesla is the only vehicle in the driveway?

Fayetteville is in NC...also one in Georgia, but not SC.

Oops, true scenario about a year ago. Thankfully, no Tesla was in the driveway.

Your options are hop in the Model 3 and go! If you have one in the driveway. Sounds like a nice drive. Cost of drive in Model 3 Zero dollars.

Zero dollars, I like that one. Who's paying for the charge and is it's range 800 miles? When I check into a hotel, I'm not expecting them to have a charging port and I'm sure it wouldn't be free.

Supercharging is free for life with the Performance Model 3. I would charge at Tesla Superchargers. They are everywhere on that route.

Oh by the way Eustis FL to Fayetteville NC is 518 miles not 800 miles. You maybe should use a faster route.

Notice the guys pissing and moaning don't actually own one? They just lap up the Internet and act like experts.

The reality is I can shame any manufacturer digging up posts of unhappy customers. It comes with any high volume product. People go online to bitch.

In my area Tesla is EVERYWHERE_. Yah I live in silicon valley and drive by the factory every weekday. In our area everyone is extremely happy with their Tesla's. The parking lot is flooded with them. Chargers are everywhere.

I own a Porsche Macan GTS. I take it to Porsche for service, and they rape the shit out of me for basic service. The prices they charge me are criminal. Porsche makes it VERY hard to get third party service on purpose because they make huge profit on the service center.

Anyway, I just bought the wife (and myself), a 2018 P100D ModelX. It just can't be beat for driving around in NorCal. And extreme fun off the line with 0-60 in 2.8s in a SUV. Is the build quality as good as my Macan? NOPE. But it's very nice. Their tech BLOWs away what porsche is doing. And I appreciate that.

Is Tesla in financial trouble? Looks like it. Huge investments into Model 3, and late shipments. But now I'm looking out in the parking lot, and I kid you not, I see over 30 Model 3's out there.

Anyway - the Internet phenomenon. Guys that want to hate, can find the fuel to hate them. Pick your brand. Go find all the angry messages online. Use it as proof. Shake and repeat.

Actually, it's further. I was calculating a round trip since finding a charge would be a bitch considering I'm not very patient. Drive 10 hours, check into a hotel and then find a place to charge your cell phone? Err, car.

That's the beauty of the Tesla . It finds the Superchargers for you and tells you how many spots are open. It's a great system. Take one for a test drive.

Tesla "free" or would that be "included" supercharging would not work if I bought a 3 for around town stuff. Closest supercharger is 13 miles away in a place I may, and I say may go near once per month.
My energy bill is $217/month and I just got a love letter from DTE(Detroit Edison) that it's going up to $283.00 . That's with no EV's. No thanks.

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Let's talk doomsday scenario....what happens if Tesla closes its doors. Today, or 5 years from now? It can happen, as the history of automobiles is littered with failed manufacturers, some bigger than Tesla. Who controls the information 'cloud' where all the nice tech for Tesla resides? What happens to the long term viability? I can still drive an Edsel, Delorean, Pontiac, Plymouth, Mercury (still drive one), Saab, Oldsmobile, and the list goes on.....Can you drive a Tesla if the Tesla info hub goes away? I presume you can still charge and drive, but how many features go away? I'm ignorant of how the Tesla network operates.

Ugh who cares about all your ad-hominem beef, both @brijam and @o-din

Plenty of people love their teslas and thats fine. What's not fine IMHO is the state of the business. I believe Tesla has too much debt coming due, and a lot of it is convertible bonds that require cash if Telsa stock isn't above a certain number. That's why Elon is so worried about shorts, that's why a lot of the top executive team has left.

I think the failure of the business, after forensics is done (and yes, I believe the business will have to be restructured and investors will lose a lot of money), will be Musk's fault. A lot of the debt was taken on to build a fully automated manufacturing facility, which was supposed to reduce labor costs. Now they've backtracked a ton on automation, which means not only is the money they used for their fancy conveyor belt system written off, but also the cost per unit for assembly is just gonna be a lot higher since they still need all those people at the factory. That's why Tesla is still burning a lot of cash, and needs more. For all the 'disrupting' Tesla was/is supposed to be doing, there's no way to shortcut physical manufacturing knowledge and performance. The fact that Elon's running manufacturing despite not having ever been a factory foreman or run a manufacturing operation even close to this scale, is very troubling. IMHO Elon has a typical software engineer's mindset (as a software engineer I can say this) that they think they can solve every problem by iterating quickly on it, not accounting for how much it costs to make mistakes in the physical world.

Teslas are probably cheaper to operate than gas cars. They're probably more fun to drive, too. Having said all this, even if I were in the market for a $50K car, I wouldn't buy a Tesla because I believe they have a very high likelihood of going out of business.

Sorry to say I only see one “Peakcock” in this thread.

The owners are pretty screwed. But there is enough IP and user base that it’s likely to be bought out by another mfg and supported.

Impossible to tell the future for any mfg.

It appears that the value of Tesla is the charging network they've built. If (and many say when) the venture collapses because nobody wants to loan them any more money, whoever buys up the scraps will be after the chargers. Of course, that will also end the free charging for the early purchasers.

BTW in case nobody has noticed, Ford's bond rating has recently changed. There's an established manufacturer but lacks the "sexy" image that Tesla "for some reason" has exploited. Even that "slight" change is alarming investors. Yet Tesla has a far worse rating and someday the smoke and flash will not be enough to keep the company going.

IMO my biggest concern isn't Tesla. It's that I believe the future of personal transportation will have an either a complete electrical or larger partial electrical element. And if Tesla fails, it may poison the market for others and especially for investors. The real question is who will complete the development of solid-state batteries and get them to widespread production readiness. I don't see Tesla being that company. And if they fail in a scandalous way, it could push that back many years.

BTW, IMO, the 3 was a misread. Should have forgotten the electric car for the "masses" and instead stayed closer to the original models. Or even built a commercial vehicle along the lines of a mid sized delivery vehicle or taxi. Much better chance for success.

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I don't think Tesla is going anywhere soon. They keep breaking records with their sales. They sold around 53,000 last quarter. This quarter they will be around 70,000. With this growth rate profitability will come quick. I could see issues if they were not selling any vehicles but they are selling more and more every month and eating into the competition. The impressive thing is the 2 of the top 5 cars being traded in for model 3's are the Honda Civic and Accord. Cars that are priced well below the Model 3.

Yah, but they are also putting incredible money into building vast factories.

Looking at the electrics coming from Porsche, maybe it gives reasonable competition on the high end with mission e. Which won’t ship until late 2019/2020.

I priced out a Model 3 performance with sport upgrades and it’s nearly an $80K auto. Seems crazy looking at it. But no doubt I’ll see them all over my parking lot.

What’s your monthly spend on gas? Prob my electric charges are the highest in any city. But a full charge comes to $12. Full tank of gas of premium is easily $85.

It’s still a luxury car. So if I bought a $100K IC Porsche or an electric Tesla, I’m in for the same cash price. But now charging at home I don’t have to deal with getting gas once a week with my 40m commute each way. It’s sweet to plug in once a week at home. So for me I’m in for about $50 a month extra on my bill using the EV pricing. The car knows to only charge after 12am to take advantage of the lowest rate.

And it’s cool that my 5500 pound MX is faster than a Lamborghini. A nice perk.

Passed on the Model 3. I hope they make a real sporty car one day!!! I’ll stick with my Challengers for now.

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I don’t see how that works; if they are losing money at 5K cars a week, how will 6K cars a week help them? Their revenue and losses have increased together which says to me they lose money on every car they make.

They use the money for building out infrastructure. They are using the Amazon business model. Amazon lost money for 10 years before it became profitable.
Be patient and you will see Tesla will be very profitable. You must be one of those short sighted investors.

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