You say “soy boy” a lot. That’s a common pejorative against liberals promoted by the alt right. Breitbart is that-a-way.

Thanks, that's cool of you to say. 63k+ miles so far and the car still drives like new.

I know what car I want to be in:

You realize those tests aren't the same, right? The object in the Tesla video has a lot more give and absorbs a lot of energy compared to the completely immovable object in the Volvo test.

I also just got back from a 24 hour 400+ mile road trip myself. Total fuel cost was also $0 for me as well.
Glad we both made it back safely.

For a minute I actually thought this was a real thread. Instead it's yet another fud filled thread for haters to rag on the company with whatever fictional garbage they can come up with to protect their shorts, to do their best to kill an American company, or to passively attack liberals. Yet another waste of time nonsense political thread on Pinside to add to the ever growing pile. I wish the mods would clean this garbage up, or at least move it all into a "Nonsense political and/or other agenda" section that I could permanently block and let people stuck in the past ramble on to themselves in.

Wow, nice ramble! It's really not a big deal. It's a car. Some like it, some don't.

I too am glad you're home safe and sound. The place wouldn't be the same without you.

I'm intrigued. I know how I achieved $0 cost for my trip (free charging), how did yours work out to be $0?

There is a drain button if you don’t want to see a thread anymore.

I just did a 1,500 mile trip in my "S" with no costs at all. Because of regen I barely touched the brakes that whole trip. In my Toyota it would have been hundreds of dollars in gas & hundreds amortizing out brakes, water pump, timing belt, serpentine belt, spark plugs, coolant change, transmission fluid change, brake fluid change, wear on mechanical engine parts, routine servicing, etc. Still love my Toyota though.

You mean like “off topic”, where it already resides, that you ‘can’ permanently block. Amazing. You could actually just come to Pinside for pinball. Who would have thought?

You know what’s really f’ing us all now and more and more with every passing day?

MICRO-PLASTICS!!!!

Tiny fractional plastic dust generated from the worlds addiction to the range of plastic products we consume daily.

Plastic is flawed by design as it does not degrade and ultimately ends up as toxic dust which infiltrates our water supply and air...especially indoor air...turn off the lights, shine a flashlight and watch it float by your face as you take another breath...

Tell me why at 40 that I’ve already buried 2 friends from cancer in their 30’s

BMW has an electric car. Jaguar will have a 2019. Volvo will follow shortly thereafter. They will all be playing catchup for a while though

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/tesla-model-3-has-next-gen-military-grade-tech-ubs-says-but-will-never-turn-profit-2018-8-1027468439

"All in, Tesla delivered the best powertrain at the lowest cost," a team of USB analysts lead by Colin Langan said in the first lap of its three-part tear-down series.

The investment bank said its takedown engineers "were crazy about the powertrain, highlighting next-gen, military-grade tech" that appear to be "years ahead of peers."

"The Model 3 appears to have been built with a goal of simplifying the engineering, removing components, and building things as modularly as possible," UBS said.

"The inverter was embedded into the e-motor and gearbox. More impressively, the battery management and charging electronics merged the DC/DC converter, on board charger, and power distribution module into one simple unit."

My employment agreement includes a car (not a Tesla, a boring Fusion). The car was delivered to my driveway a week after I started there. I have an Element card that I use for gas and minor stuff like washer fluid. I never see a bill nor expense anything. Only thing I do is make a monthly entry with business vs. personal miles on an app. Then the company grosses up my salary to cover the taxes on the personal usage. No insurance or plate fees, all handled. I have a separate car wash card which I also never see a bill for.

For the record, I would much rather have taken my A8 on this trip, but I have a part on order that prevented me from using it this weekend.

There are a total of five vehicles that are personally owned in my household.

Only 5? Slacker.

You are not kidding Nilroc. It might be a good idea to remove the ban on Halon fire extinguishers as well, nothing is more effective in putting out lithium, magnesium and electronics fires. Instead of side air bags perhaps an onboard Halon system would be more cost-effective, flooding the interior at the first sign of fire. Second thought, that would eliminate oxygen to the driver, no good. Nothing beats a Volvo for safety.

Enjoy:

So you're saying that driving a gas-powered car is SAFER????

FYI in 2015 there were 174,000 gasoline vehicle fires and that 445 people died from those car fires in 2015. 445, with an additional 1,550 injuries due to fire.

https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-reports/Fire-statistics/Vehicle-fires/Highway-vehicle-fires

Unless you want to say the NFPA is a liberal blog and their data is falsified.

Hey Brijam,
Don't waste your time. I believe most of these people believe the world is still flat and we never landed on the moon.

Based on miles driven Tesla fire incidents are 10x less than ICE. Harder to find data for all EVs combined, but I'd agree, as far as fire incidents, EVs are safer. However, in reading about incidents I never considered that Lithium thermal runaway events can occur much later after actual damage. So if you're in a fender bender, might not want to park your EV in your garage. Not saying that such an incident has ever happened, but it's a scary proposition.

Posts like these don't help your cause. You're better off letting the other guy fight your battle. At least he puts some effort into his arguments.

Well surprise surprise no fire:

https://insideevs.com/tesla-model-3-rear-ended-by-street-racing-camaro-driver/

Just happened 4 days ago. Guess what no fire:

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-accident-roadside-assistance-passengers-safety/

Wow, did you see the pictures of the damage? The guy got hit by a car going 40 mph and there's astonishingly little damage.

Back in the day I had a BMW 635csi. I loved that car. I was stopped at a light and the woman behind me saw the left turn signal go green in the lane next to us and /gunned it/ hard right into the back of my car. Totaled it from less than a car length and a dead stop. I couldn't believe how fragile that car was.

I had one of the first BMW Z3s off the Spartanburg assembly line. I programmed their painted body conveying system. My wife was rear ended by a truck while she was stopped...Truck was doing 40. She amazingly escaped with no harm and the car wasn't totalled. Trunk leaked after repairs tho. Another time I was rear ended at 5mp in a construction zone and that costs 3k to repair. Car was a magnet for collisions. But for a small car it was pretty stout.

The biggest thing for me would be that the range is only 310mi and charging takes 5-6hrs at a charge point or 10-20hrs off 110v

Compleatly useless other than for day to day use. Once they figure out some kind of quick charge that takes 5min like filling up with gas/diesel electric wont be able to replace gas.

Also - I live in Canada, so I'm guessing my range would be hugely decreased in the winter since the heater would be running all the time sucking juice, where as efficiency isnt affected on a gasoline engine as heat is a byproduct.

Speaking of wrong turns, how are you missing out on the Munsters thread? Or were you preemptively booted?

Says the man with over 41,000 posts.

No.

No, it takes 20-30 minutes to recharge at a supercharger.

For the vast majority of people, plugging their car in overnight is enough to keep their car full.

As for the cold, Norway is Tesla’s best selling country. I hear it gets kind of cold there.

Norway's winters average just below freezing. Canadian winters vary and can hit -40s regularly. Driving to Calgary and back to Edmonton during winter in a Tesla is just not feasible....no matter how hard you keep trying to rationalize it.

Just because Norway buys plenty of Tesla's doesn't mean it'll work in Canada. Heck....the province of Alberta is quite a few times bigger than Norway.

I have a Volt and I can tell you the cold is the Achilles heel of the EVs.

The heating element sucks the battery down fast. Based upon my observations, about the same amount as driving. Claims that the heater "barely impact" EV range are pure fantasy.

A related observation - I thought running the AC in the summer would also degrade battery charge quickly, but I was wrong. It barely impacts mileage. Yesterday I got 50.3 miles on battery running the AC the whole time. I'm pretty happy with that.

Norway sales - I have asked co-workers from Norway about this. The short answer is - HEAVILY subsidized. To the point where "the price is the same as a regular ICE car. Which would you rather have for the same price? A Tesla or a regular car?"

Also, there was a myriad of other perks rattled off that EV owners got and the regular serfs didn't, like free ferry lifts for the car, free parking, preferential parking etc..

The problem is, that gravy train can only go on so long. Did anyone see what happened to Tesla sales in Denmark after their subsidy gravy train ended? YoY sales plunged 94%. That is not a typo.

Lastly - kudos to whomever put "I don't plan on living in Oregon or Canada anytime soon" in the poll. I got a good laugh out of that one.

3 years ago I was in the market for a new car and drove the model s, it was a gadget lovers dream. The driving it on back roads was not impressive to me, ok brakes, bad tires or traction control. I wanted to love it but after driving a few SUV Porsche's I felt the germans SUVS handled better then the smaller S, sort of shocking to me. Ended up in a Cayenne GTS, best car I ever owned, gone now but not forgotten.

Placed a order for model 3 on day one hoping I could get a affordable electric car with some autonomous features. When it came time to actually price the car and realizing I would be at 50-65 grand for this car I bailed. I hated the placement of the odometer and not having a heads up display or not having to look down and right to see speed. The car is cool looking but such a drop down style wise and i could name half a dozen cars I like more for the same price. But the basic Porsche Macan would be more enjoyable to me then a souped up 3.

So I leased two Hondas A FIT for the wife and a CRV for me, totally boring but they get us from point a to b comfortably.

Size of Norway: 385,203 km²
Supercharger stations nationwide: 50+

Size of Alberta: 661,848 km²
Supercharger stations province wide: 5

Tesla would work in Canadian cities. But as a car for driving long distances and on rural roads....it's just not practical.

Drive north of Edmonton for two hours in your Tesla and you'll get stranded.

I spent 4 months in Calgary on a job, in the dead of winter. Brutal for this southern boy. Spent a couple of weeks in Edmonton too. Don't know how you guys/gals do it.

Wrong again.

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I’m out, because when I want to go green I take the bus.

All the EV zealots who claim their green credentials are pussy green. Yes, pussy green, because they haven’t got the guts to do what’s really required and drop the car idea altogether.

Couldn’t possibly give up the convenience of the latest, shiniest individual transport machine that not only lugs them around, but also two tons of its own bulk for no purpose. Whatever it’s fuelled by!!!

Want to get green? Want to really help? Want to really do something useful? Then walk out your front door, down to the corner bus stop and catch a bus that’s ALREADY going where you need to go, and it has an empty seat, that YOU could use with no addition to footprint at all.

Until then, shut the fuck up about how great you are, with your new, heavy, inefficient (but slightly more efficient than previously fuelled models), personal “I’m green and you’re not” statement making device.

Grow some balls and do it properly.

Signs? Where we're going we don't need signs.

It's just an LCD monitor, man. Sometimes they fail. Like all LCD monitors, the vast overwhelming majority of them don't. There's no magical pixie dust.

If for some reason your screen failed (mine has two), you hold down a button and say "navigate to the nearest supercharger" and the car will tell you where to turn.

If that also failed I guess you'd have to, you know, use your memory as to where the supercharger was located. Terrifying concept for some, I agree. Not a huge deal for grownups.

So you're okay with using a large computer that connects to the Internet that you pay for, but you don't want to use a smaller computer that connects to the Internet that you pay for. Got it.

Oh no, you're far too entertaining to stop. I live for this.

Well since you asked nicely, I will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
― Issac Asimov

One of these things is not like the other.

Your mac mini. Is it larger than a smartphone?

Get paid for posting on Pinside? How does your employer feel about that?

You can pay as little as $30/month.
https://20somethingfinance.com/cheapest-data-plan-smartphones/

That is a hell of a lot of cars. Here I thought you had a 20 year old Toyota Tacoma that you'd owned for a long time. Are you a car dealer or something?

You misunderstand. I couldn't care less if you buy one or not, or what your opinion is.

I'm correcting misinformation and pointing out logical fallacies.

It takes guts to admit when you're wrong. It's painful. It takes work to fairly consider other viewpoints and challenge your own beliefs.

Honest question here....what happens if you do run out of "fuel". In an ICE car I can walk to a gas station, flag someone down, etc. If an EV goes dead on a country road are there mobile charging service vehicles? Is it still a 12v system that can be charged from another vehicle? Or is a tow necessary?

Ask this guy. I believe he is in your neck of the woods.