Who Is Out On Tesla Model 3?

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Who Is Out On Tesla Model 3?


By o-din

89 days ago



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    “Why are you out and won't be buying a Tesla?”

    • The company and CEO are a joke, and the car line is a bigger joke 8 votes
      16%
    • Don't want to be stereotyped with some of the owners of this thing 2 votes
      4%
    • Stocks are on their way out 1 vote
      2%
    • I don't want to have to defend my car purchase on the internet 0 votes
    • Won't be living in Oregon or Canada anytime soon 0 votes
    • Big batteries make a big mess when they explode 1 vote
      2%
    • My old shitbox runs great and don't need a $50,000 car with no engine 9 votes
      18%
    • All of the above 28 votes
      57%

    (49 votes)

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    #451 65 days ago
    Quoted from okayestpinballer:

    You could easily replace Musk with Trump in that quote.
    Maybe Musk will drop out of Tesla and run for President in 2020?
    'Clean Coal' vs Renewable Energy

    #453 63 days ago

    "Innovative study shows medical cannabis effective in treating a wide range of health conditions"

    http://news.unm.edu/news/innovative-study-shows-medical-cannabis-effective-in-treating-a-wide-range-of-health-conditions

    #454 63 days ago

    Who cares about the puff. This quote from Elan is what should disturb:

    "I tried to convince people to slow down, slow down A.I., to regulate A.I,” Musk said. “This was futile. I tried for years. Nobody listened.”

    -1
    #455 63 days ago

    Now Tesla is cutting paint color options to fix things, jeez are they grasping at straws.

    -1
    #456 63 days ago

    Well how about that. The so called Tesla killer is also in production Hell.

    https://insideevs.com/jaguar-i-pace-sales-hit-140-in-august/

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    #457 51 days ago
    Quoted from DCFAN:

    I can understand testing when hired along with a physical, but how many do ongoing testing throughout employment?

    Quoted from goatdan:

    Maybe 30 years ago, but I really doubt it now. Many states are legalizing, and there are interesting legal issues that haven't yet been crossed in states where it is legal but doesn't impair your work. How you can dictate what someone does off work hours is difficult, and marijuana, due to it's nature, is tougher to figure out.
    You don't want someone who is high on pot doing something dangerous with a bunch of people around. But, you also don't want that person drunk. If they are legally doing it on their own time safely, and are being safe at work, how can you really say the person who was blacked out drunk is far better than the person who was stoned?
    I worked for a publicly traded company in HR at the time California made it legal, one with a drug policy in place. There was a ton of talk back and forth about how to handle it, and it basically came down to we wouldn't terminate anyone (in California) for showing marijuana on their drug test unless they exhibited signs of also being impaired while on duty. It came down to we didn't want to be the ones going to court to explain why we should be able to dictate what someone can legally do in their spare time. It remained a fireable offense in other markets because it was illegal.
    Long story short, it's in a legally weird spot in so many ways right now (including that it's illegal federally and they want to enforce that while states are legalizing it...), but don't think that publicly traded companies are going to be fighting to terminate employees for what they legally do on their own time.
    As for Tesla, they just announced a bunch of new executive promotions tonight. I said before Musk needs a strong second, and they seem to have just put Jerome Guillen into what appears to be that spot, which I think could be a genius move. Jerome came to Tesla 8 years ago from Daimler where he both led the Cascadia program and then created a car sharing program in Europe. At Tesla, he kind of has done it all - leading the Model S team from prototype to production and ramp, the Tesla Semi team, making an assembly line, running sales and service, and dealing with Musk for 8 years.
    In many ways, he is quite similar to Shotwell at SpaceX, and I think could have the power and autonomy to do his own thing.

    Here is a recent news story regarding the situation in Michigan.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/marijuana/2018/09/20/marijuana-legalization-michigan-employers/1361074002/

    #458 51 days ago

    Look, it not like once recreational in a state becomes legal, people that have never consumed, just don't all go out at once and start consuming. A vast majority will just buy at a dispensary instead of their hookup depending on quality, pricing and taxation.

    All you have to do to pass a MJ pee test is to drink the juice. You have this in your car and can easily pass on a moments notice.

    I've personally known maybe a dozen people who have been on probation, pee test multiple times a week for MJ, and smoked MJ everyday.

    Now there are some jobs where you can be spot tested and if your job means anything to you, you won't consume. Or if you are a professional driver, not in a union, and get into an accident. I would say a huge majority of HR departs couldn't care less about what you do on your free time as long as it doesn't continue into your job.

    Seems like michigan is a state that has been dragging their feet on getting medical MJ to the patients that need it and are using fear, uncertainty and doubt as the recreational vote is around the corner.

    #459 51 days ago
    Quoted from TVP:

    All you have to do to pass a MJ pee test is to drink the juice.

    What does this juice contain?

    #460 51 days ago
    Quoted from phil-lee:

    What does this juice contain?

    Yeah, interested in this also....THC is stored in fat cells, and people have tried to pass drug tests with all manner of Juices...from drinking cranberry to straight vinegar....none of that crap works. There's only one company that I know of that's reputable that sells a cleanse, and even they say it takes many days. Speaking as an addict's father (opiates, not MJ), not a user, so if there's something that's cheating the system, would like to know.

    #461 51 days ago

    All those juices are for urine tests. Your fucked if they draw blood or use hair samples.

    Fyi

    2 weeks later
    #462 35 days ago

    Congratulation to Tesla for having the safest car on the road. The Model 3!

    1 month later
    #463 4 days ago
    Quoted from goatdan:

    You said you wouldn't want the janitor smoking. That would be your rule. The actual rules, as I mentioned from being on the HR side, are much muddier with something that is now legal.

    Now that Michigan passed the marijuana proposal, it won't protect you from getting fired or not hired for a job.

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/marijuana/2018/11/07/michigan-marijuana-results-election-legalization/1835297002/

    #464 4 days ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    Now that Michigan passed the marijuana proposal, it won't protect you from getting fired or not hired for a job.
    https://www.freep.com/story/news/marijuana/2018/11/07/michigan-marijuana-results-election-legalization/1835297002/

    Oh gosh, I am kind of stunned you're still on the marijuana thing.

    You may get fired for smoking marijuana, either on your free time or not, depending on your company policy. Having stated that, like I was saying to begin with, as attitudes of marijuana are changing from the "OH NOES REEFER MADNEZZ!" hysteria of the past to the attitude today of why not, that changes things. You said before...

    Quoted from MrBally:

    You should ask the HR or Legal department of any major corporation why they drug test and exclude users from employment.

    I know this may seem hard for you to understand since it wasn't your experience, but I worked at a major, publicly traded corporation (worth billions then and today) in their HR department. As I explained, in locations where it was legal, we realized that it was legally dubious to terminate someone for something that they were doing legally on their own time, and we therefore decided to treat marijuana the exact same as we would treat alcohol - if you came in to work and were impaired, you were terminated. If you did it responsibly, on your own time, you would not be.

    Some companies have opted not do this. It's up to your company, and what you feel is right. That will continue to evolve as the nation becomes more accepting of it.

    Without writing a huge thing about it in the hating on Tesla thread, in short one of the largest difficulties is figuring out a way to determine how high is "too" high and then do some sort of instant test for that. With alcohol, it shows up in both breath and blood and gives some pretty easy ways for both enforcement and users to sort of determine where they sit. Marijuana is missing that, which makes it much trickier for people to both feel like they are consuming in moderation and to know when they are safe to drive or operate machinery or whatever. That will be something that evolves, but again - if you're toking up tomorrow night, and then not again and go into work Monday morning, you're going to be fine. Unless we can all get self driving cars, and then this stuff won't matter.

    Oh yeah, and...

    Quoted from calprog:

    Looks like Tesla is going down soon. Maybe another year. Unfortunate for sure.

    They had quite the solid earnings report this past quarter. Seems they have enough cash on hand right now to pay all their loans coming due for at least a year.

    #465 4 days ago
    Quoted from goatdan:

    we realized that it was legally dubious to terminate someone for something that they were doing legally on their own time, and we therefore decided to treat marijuana the exact same as we would treat alcohol -

    This topic in Canada has been a real debate point also. Some Companies HR departments are considering to allow employees to consume cannabis on their lunch break, or even during “working lunch meetings”. For eg. A group of employees go out for lunch and have a beer with their food. If they are not impaired when they return then it’s no problem. If the company allows their employees to consume one kind on intoxicant on their lunch, then other legal intoxicants should be accepted too. As long as your not returning to work impaired then it shouldn’t be a problem.

    #466 4 days ago
    Quoted from Luckydogg420:

    This topic in Canada has been a real debate point also. Some Companies HR departments are considering to allow employees to consume cannabis on their lunch break, or even during “working lunch meetings”. For eg. A group of employees go out for lunch and have a beer with their food. If they are not impaired when they return then it’s no problem. If the company allows their employees to consume one kind on intoxicant on their lunch, then other legal intoxicants should be accepted too. As long as your not returning to work impaired then it shouldn’t be a problem.

    Exactly!

    The only major question slowing further rules like this I think is just the whole "how much is too much" test doesn't really exist for it that I know of. At least, when we were talking about it, that was sort of our sticking point, and why we said that if they appear impaired, we will treat it the same as someone showing up drunk to work - instant termination. But, if they are not impaired, and can fill their duty as our employee, why should I tell them what they can or can't do?

    I'm all about personal freedom. I don't choose to do any drugs myself, with the exception of minor amounts of alcohol, but that's my choice. I don't want the government telling me what I can or can't do, which also means I don't want them telling you what you can or can't do. I feel like we have enough information in this day and age that we can make choices for ourselves.

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