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Who is in on Tesla model 3 ?


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2 years ago



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“Are you in on the model 3?”

  • Hell yes! 50 votes
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  • I am considering! 75 votes
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  • Hard to part with fossil fuel 13 votes
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#249 2 years ago

For those that don't follow Doug Demuro, he did a great review on the tesla X, basically debunking all the negativity:

Or you could watch these idiots test all the door sensors with carrots and hot dogs:

#257 2 years ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

Teslas are all aluminum - they don't rust.

aluminum can pit.. not nearly as bad as rust, but still oxidation. Also winters aren't great for batteries, I'd be curious the difference in battery life between a california tesla and a mid-west one.

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#396 2 years ago

I watched the movie "the founder" which is about ray kroc
*spoiler warning*

He was making 1.5% off of 15 cent hamburgers, and barely breaking even. It wasn't until a consultant told him he shouldn't be in the burger business, but rather the real estate business. By buying up land, and then leasing that land to owners, it gave him a constant revenue stream (and control).

By Elon creating an infrastructure of charging stations, he controls the "electric charging station" model. You drive a chevy bolt, or a Nissan leaf.. I bet you're paying to charge up your vehicle at those stations, and also willing to bet Tesla corp gets a cut of all electricity sold. Think about how many gas stations there are in america. Now imagine if he starts to sell solar tiles to gas stations at cost. He sells more tiles, lowering his cost by increasing volume. He takes a bigger cut on the electricity now that the station is partially self supporting.

Elon really is smart by strategizing everything to work together to boost volumes. Make an electric car, then make a factory that can build cheaper batteries (slightly larger version of the 18650 to maximum cost efficiency), then make household battery backup systems, then make solar tiles. He's working on making electric semi trucks ny 2018 (which will be lower cost because of lower maintenance, cheaper refueling), and someday self driving (no more paying drivers, lower risk means lower insurance premiums).
http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/13/15292102/tesla-elon-musk-semi-tractor-trailer-truck-september

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#548 2 years ago

Just saw this today:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/energy-environment/volvo-hybrid-electric-car.html

Volvo will no longer produce any new models that use conventional gas engine cars as of 2019 (hybrid and full electric only). By 2025, they hope to be making one million electric cars.

From every industry that has to do with gasoline engines (including my own company), they are all predicting that 2025 is the tipping point where electric surpasses gas products. That's not to say gasoline suddenly goes away, it just means there will be more electric than gas. I don't know what their metric is (oil prices spiking again, battery technology finally catching up, a combination of many things), but they all point to that magical year (which is only 8 years away). So for all those non-believers in this thread arguing against electric cars, just wait a little bit and see how drastically things change.

#562 2 years ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

transporting electrons around the country is fundamentally a hell of a lot easier, logistically, than transporting gasoline, and installing an electron pump is similarly way easier than installing a gas pump

Also electricity is renewable, gasoline is limited by how much oil is left under the crust. We're just so used to having such a large supply we never think about it. Also since Arab countries currently supply roughly half our oil, they can greatly effect prices. Soon as you are no longer dependent on a supplier (See dutch pinball at the mercy of the contract manufacturer), you no longer have to put up with fluctuations in fuel.

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#586 1 year ago

I assume everyone has seen this video this week? I love how pissed off the one guy gets at 4:15

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#780 1 year ago

I stumbled on this guy's channel over the weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfV0_wbjG8KJADuZT2ct4SA

He's taken either wrecked or flooded tesla's (salvage cars), and for the most part sold off parts (but keeps some of them). So far he's been able to take spare parts to build one complete Tesla for about $6500 (not including the tons of labor he put into salvaging parts, selling them, putting parts together). This isn't to save money, to him this is a hobby (not unlike gearheads that build up classic cars).

In one of the latest videos, he parks at a target to see if his car will be allowed to supercharge. Turns out Tesla did not send a software update to only allow him level 2 charging, however he would have to go to pay tesla to get the app to talk to his car now that it's been re-certified by the DMV. He also goes into about how Tesla will not sell you spare parts, most likely so that unlicensed people like him don't muck something up and cause a crash or a fire, and then turn around and sue them. It's probably the reason why the market for used parts is booming.

#784 1 year ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

It makes more financial sense to make one battery and adapt it for multiple cost tiers than to manufacture a bunch of different physical batteries, which only multiply the complexity and logistics of supply and assembly and inventory and so on.

This /\

I used to worked for a battery charger company. We made 4 tiers of a particular charger. A 15amp, 12A, 6A, 3A. All of them had the exact same control board, same power supply. The only difference was a software change, and a slightly bigger fan in the top 2. It made no financial sense to spin 4 separate boards when we could just build the highest one, and back it down for the lower models. The lower tiered models typically lasted forever (because they ran cool), so they didn't get warrantied. The higher ones ran hot, and if they were used in a dusty environment, typically the fans would fail quicker and the electronics would then fail too. So in reality, the higher cost was helping to pay for warranty claims.

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#837 1 year ago
Quoted from goatdan:

Well, if you weren't watching the semi reveal, the future of goods transportation just changed.

No kidding.. wish I would have bought a few shares, it's going to pop tomorrow.

Center driver seat, all the aftermarket accessories every trucker has to buy already included
0-60 in 5 seconds (no load)
0-60 with maximum 80,000lb load = 20 seconds
Able to go 65mph on 5% grade hill (get the goods there faster)
500 mile range
400 mile recharge in 30 minutes
more aerodynamic than a bugatti veyron
Very few parts to fail, especially brakes

There ARE 4-5 other companies working on electric trucks, it's all going to come down to first to market. Reducing transportation costs is going to be a huge business.

#865 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Every year or two there is some potentially promising new development, but so far that density barrier has been impossible to breach.

#885 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

That's a great innovation. I hope his team can get it to scale and keep it cost-competitive.

Some are speculating that the "solid state battery" that toyota is getting ready to release to production is similar to that (it's possible in order for tesla to double capacity in the roadster they plan on something also similar). Whatever the case, this is bound to trickle down.. It sure seems like this way to build a battery has the potential to be easier to assemble than the coil sandwich that are cells.

Sidenote to goatdan : Since you're a happy nissan leaf owner I did some poking around. There was a 2011 with 37k miles and 71 mile range left for $5500 on chicago craigslist for a while (looks like it might have sold now). New battery packs are $5500 after trade-in, plus a $250 adapter for the new version (and installation). I'm not ready to buy now, it's nice to see a viable option for someone that wants to buy electric on a budget.

#904 1 year ago
Quoted from rai:

I saw that, there’s a video that discussed auto driving Uber let your car make money for you.

That's the concept behind waymo. self driving cabs that pick you up, they are doing practice runs in arizona because the roads are wide and marked clearly
https://gizmodo.com/waymo-announces-fully-self-driving-cars-are-here-taxi-1820221010

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#929 1 year ago

35k for a car in that range and performance compared to what else is out there is still competitively priced. not that 7500 isnt a lot of money, but that shouldnt make or break buying that car.

#933 1 year ago
Quoted from VolunteerPin:

Try living in TN. I had to pay an extra $100 to register my car just because it is electric

Wait till you see the annual fees they tack on in california because electric car owners aren't paying into the gas tax to fix roads
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/03/states-yank-electric-car-aid-add-new-fees-to-pay-for-infrastructure.html

#938 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

electric car owners are still not paying our fair share for maintaining the roads. What's your problem? How else is the infrastructure going to be paid for?

There are better ways of making everyone pay their fair share to maintain roads. We've collected gas taxes because that was the most fair way to do it at the time. Now we have GPS in every phone, and insurance ODB boxes that can collect insurance based on miles driven, or road taxes for that matter. Oh but the conspiracy theorists wouldn't want anything tracking them, same way they said they'd never buy into automatic toll collecting system because they don't want a record of where they've been, or letting time stamps show they were speeding. Your phone is collecting data all the time. Every search you make is recorded somewhere, if you text while driving any insurance company can subpoena that info to prove you were at fault. And if you have an amazon echo, it's ALWAYS listening because that's how it works. It's always listening for a command.

Also gas taxes are only a small fraction that actually go towards paying for roads, most of it is collected from property taxes:
https://frontiergroup.org/reports/fg/who-pays-roads

If that weren't the case, we'd also have bicycle taxes (yes, bicycles also use roads)

#942 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

These aren't very realistic.

Here's another example why gas taxes don't work. let's say I'm a landscaper. I fill my truck up with gas because that truck is using the road. Now I have to fill up my lawnmower, my hedgeclipper, edger, weed wacker... All those products use gas, yet they aren't affecting the roads but I'm paying taxes on the gas to run them. If battery technology suddenly catches up and I can realistically power all those things with electric, are the roads going to once again suffer because of a gap in taxes paid?

#954 1 year ago
Quoted from goatdan:

I honestly expect that by then, new models will be almost exclusively fully electric, and we'll be talking about what to do with all the gas stations, parts stores and so on that aren't needed in the same numbers as today.

I think we will look at them the same way we look at empty public phone bezels at gas stations that still haven't been removed. We remember a time when people actually had to find a gas station to return a phone call on their pager. Now EVERYONE has a cellphone.

#957 1 year ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

CORD TILL DEATH!" plus, there are probably 1000 internal combustion engine vehicles for every pay phone that once existed

No, but my dad kept his pager as LONG as he could.. he REFUSED to up pay for a cellphone, just like he refused to pay extra for digital dialing on his land line because he knew their cost was less for digital versus analog (yes, even if you had a button dial phone, unless you paid for it, you'd hear the clicks like on an analog phone as it dialed) . Then he was forced to at least switch over to a basic phone with texting.

Quoted from pezpunk:

i just think ICE is going to hang on in certain niche applications for a long time

I don't think it will disappear quick, anything in the auto industry seems to take a decade to really penetrate the market (just look how long it took for manufacturers to realize it was cheaper to install power windows than manual cranks). Wasn't until honda did financial analysis to switch over to it.

I believe there will still be alcohol dragsters, I believe there will still be people with gasoline classic cars that keep racing even though stock teslas can whip them all day long (perhaps auto racing will need a separate class for electric). I don't think everyone will switch to electric semis right away (only corporations that know they can start saving money right away). There will still be a bunch of lower income families that won't be able to switch over right away, but eventually the used market will trickle down (almost is with cheap first generation leafs). For sure canadian and alaska semi drivers will refuse to switch simply because they get stuck in the middle of nowhere a lot, and being able to run heat sometimes for a day is important (also not sure how well batteries would do in negative 70 degrees).

Speaking of semi's, this youtuber does some interesting calculations on fuel cost savings, maintenance savings (no more engine repair, no more brakepads, etc), but then at 9:30 he talks about something I didn't realize which is that supposedly from day one they have for a convoy option where there's a driver controlling the lead semi, and he can have 2 more unmanned semi trucks behind him that aren't completely driving themselves, they are simply following the leader. That reduces the labor cost to 1/3:

#959 1 year ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

The future will not have regular people driving their cars on the road. Kids born today might not need to ever get a drivers license.

just as long as the cars don't turn evil

#965 1 year ago
Quoted from goatdan:

I just test drove a Bolt for the heck of it.
It feels smaller than the Leaf and oddly to me a lot louder. It wasn't bad, but with the exception of the range, it didn't seem much different than our Leaf. It didn't help that roads are slick and cold, so I could tell it had more power, but mostly just used it to spin the tires...
But wow, the dealership network is going to be a big problem for anyone other than Tesla to overcome. I pretended to not know anything about it, and they couldn't tell me much at all. No idea how fast it charges, where to charge it, if the charger was a standard or not, benefits of it over a regular car, it it needed any maintenance or not... It was... Enlightening in a fascinating way.
I could go on with a bunch of points where they just didn't know things that you should know about a product that you're selling, but... Yeesh.
It shows my why Tesla has the valuation they do. The dealer network is going to be a tough thing to overcome.

"so do i just put d-size batteries in somewheres when it dies or whut? how many batteries does it take anyways? i still got my radio shack battery of the month club, so i got that goin for me"

#969 1 year ago
Quoted from Ns2973:

Without dealers, anyone without a 700 credit score will have a much harder time buying vehicles and costs for manufacturers will skyrocket in addition

?? Dealers aren't loaning out the money, they use credit companies. I suppose because of volume sometimes dealer relationships can increase chances of getting a loan if your credit sucks. However, this is what the great auto dealers do to poor low credit buyers:

Quoted from Ns2973:

It's a huge issue for tesla, and ev doesn't reduce failures, it increases it. Failure rate for ice is super low compared to the tech required for electric.

Based on what? and what constitutes as failure? Is an electric car more complicated? Perhaps, but only because of the sensors and features it's adding. If you're just looking at the car driving, I don't see how applying PWM electricity to a brushless motor has higher failure rate than a gas engine that has to time sparked explosions thousands of times per minute, at a variable rate... all the while it's depositing carbon onto the cylinder walls and gunking itself up.

Quoted from Ns2973:

If tesla just used dealers instead of trying to fight an unwinnable fight we would be so much further ahead.

I don't think this was by choice. He had to go at it alone because dealers selling electric cars undercuts their own business:
https://insideevs.com/tesla-direct-sales-vs-franchised-dealership-battle-continues

I work for a company that builds landscaping equipment. We have some electric versions of our gas products, but it's nearly a loss right now because it's such low volume and it's mostly sold to home owners. Professional landscapers can't possibly use them because they can't invest in a bank of batteries to keep working all day. However, we are building product now so that when the next amazing power source comes along, we have product already designed and established.

#977 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Think of the last thing you had done on your ICE car, chances are an EV doesn't have that part. With an EV there's no oil changes or filters, no spark plugs, no transmission, no drive shaft, no exhaust systems or catalytic converters, no fuel flow sensor, no turbo, no oxygen sensors, no radiators, no cylinders or gaskets, not even fluids besides brake fluid and windshield washer fluid. They're even reducing the wiring harnesses, at least at Tesla.

The ONLY argument you could have for ICE is that everything is "serviceable" or "fixable", whereas with electric you probably wouldn't be replacing your own dead cells in a battery pack (though maybe someday that'll be the case), nor would you be likely to work on your own electric motor (but I don't know what would go bad other than bearings). But with that said, I would MUCH rather have all the things that COULD go wrong in an ICE vehicle gone. I've only driven one car to it's death (192k miles on a corolla), never any transmission issues but it was burning oil because of misfires, and after spending $400 each at two different repair shops (both who said the fix may not solve it) it became apparent I was going to start dumping more money into it than it's worth. Nobody is going to dump $3-4k for a new engine into a corolla that's worth less than $2k either.

Even though the leaf is only 6 years old, and tesla only a few years before that, it'll be interesting to see how the secondary market pans out (and how many miles some of these vehicles can rack up and still hold value). If it just comes down to plopping in a new battery after so many charge cycles, so long as the car keeps going there's always going to be someone willing to buy it and keep driving it.

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#986 1 year ago

btw, nancy cartwright (voice of bart simpson) drives a tesla

#990 1 year ago

I keep reading news articles talking about how Tesla is going to run out of money by summer.. something about 900 million in operating costs, and a 1.8 billion dollar loan due from bonds he sold. UBS is making these claims, but how can they possibly know the financials from Tesla, the gigafactory, and spaceX accurately? Even in a worse case scenario and Tesla had to file bankruptcy, they would either wipe part of that debt, or someone could happily swoop up the company.. Not like the company would disappear.

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#997 1 year ago
Quoted from goatdan:

I saw a fascinating recent look at Amazon, circa 2001. There were some people that were bullish and saying this is the future. Some company, I think it was Sears, was laughing at the fact that they would ever compete with them, because it was an online business and they could just step in and crush them whenever they felt the moment was right. Pundits were saying that Amazon needed to sell every book that every bookstore in America sold and yet they would STILL be losing money, and that throwing any money at them as an investment was stupid. And they kept talking about how Amazon was one of the most shorted stocks

I believe this is the video you mean (I saw it recently too), it's circa 1999. I love bezos' modesty, driving a basic honda and using a door for a desk because he doesn't spend more than he needs.

#1002 1 year ago
Quoted from Brijam:

It'd be tough for me to buy a Porsche, though. My sister owned two of them - brand new - and she got soaked every time something went wrong. Every. Time. Thousands every time. She'll never have another.

it's funny how as a kid you dream of owning an exotic car, then you read how horribly unreliable most of them are (outside of all of the very expensive maintenance). 8 year old boxters are on craigslist of every city for $6k because nobody wants to spend the $3k to replace the engine bearings that fail on at least half of them. Same can be said for bmw's. Had a friend that decided to take a chance on a $3k used bmw, 6 months later the engine block cracked in half.

#1004 1 year ago
Quoted from shakenbake:

My solution for the BMW engine problem

Chevy crate motor? How many HP and in which bmw series?

#1041 1 year ago
Quoted from rai:

One of the side effects of an ICE engine is free heat, also in super cold my little four cylinder car is extra peppy thanks to the denser air intake.

You get a cold air intake! you get a cold air intake! EVERYONE GETS A COLD AIR INTAKE! +7hp

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#1061 1 year ago

I do wonder how solid state batteries are going to play out. Tesla has made the cheapest and most compact lithium-ion battery they could possibly make, but solid state (if manufactured for a reasonable cost which is a challenge) is far denser, and can charge to full capacity in about a minute. The following car companies have plans for solid state batteries:

BMW (they are partnering with a battery company)
Fisker (they developed their own, claiming production in 2023)
Honda (just researching, date unknown)
Hyundai (developing their own, date unknown)
NGK (spark plug company developing a ceramic SSB)
Nissan (just researching, date unknown)
Toyota (started in 2014, partnered with panasonic in 2017)

Samsung just released a solid state battery, so far they aren't saying which car company they are partnering up with
https://electrek.co/2018/01/15/samsung-sdi-new-batteries-electric-car-range-charging-capacity

So if panasonic is already developing a solid state battery, why would they partner with toyota? Did Tesla break ties since they are making their own lithium cells now?

#1090 1 year ago

anyone going on a long trip, don't forget your orange

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#1133 1 year ago

I went to the final shuttle launch of Atlantis. Waiting for the countdown timer on the causeway here:
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Much like seeing your first dragster show, there is no sound/feeling like a rocket launch. There's a good 20-30 second sound delay, and then the sound starts rolling towards you like a wave. It's like a crackle and a rumble at the same time.

I need to keep an eye when the first manned flight is going to happen with the dragon. supposedly 2 private people put down deposits for a flight to the moon and back at 70 million a pop.

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#1160 1 year ago
Quoted from goatdan:

I think if / when they make everything voice controlled, people won't care

4 years ago I'd say you're crazy "Tesla, change the temperature to 68 degrees"... Changing speed to.. 68mph".

However if Amazon can make a $30 device that can hear me across the room clearly with commands, I could totally see Tesla making most functions of a car voice controlled. Adjusting the steering wheel and seat are more fine detailed adjustments, but most people don't adjust those things WHILE they're driving now.

#1198 1 year ago

another successful spacex mission to put up a satellite for spain

#1206 1 year ago
Quoted from goatdan:

Tesla's largest competitive advantage may be its willingness to completely throw out the rulebook that these established automakers feel they need to follow and forge their own path. They are creating an entire ecosystem for their vehicles to live within, where the others are saying that their ideas won't work and making excuses why they can't.

i liken this to asian countries like vietnam that had no internet or good phone lines. when they built the infrastructure from scratch, they went for speed because they could. meanwhile in the US internet providers tried to push high speed through the old twisted copper for decades.. we are only in the last 3- 5 years starting to see real bandwidth at the consumer level.

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#1224 1 year ago
Quoted from Eryeal:

It's a good thing none of the other major car manufacturers have recalls of vehicles or parts after they've been sold ... oh wait.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/news/companies/ford-steering-wheel-recall/index.html

Saw that today.. in fact the gasbuddy app alerted me, then I looked it up "MAJOR RECALL, 2 DEATHS ALREADY". Kind of a serious defect.

#1243 1 year ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

Porsche, and the Jaguar of today are at the polar opposite end of that spectrum

I've never known Jaguars to be quality. Porsche maybe, jaguars are status-mobiles right up up there with land rovers.

Quoted from Eryeal:

along with their parent Volkswagen, decided that they would get by emissions testing by cheating, and risk their entire company, costing them billions?

Exactly.. I used to love porsche as a kid (not knowing back then about umbrella companies, or what their history was). That emissions thing was not only horribly deceitful, but even knowing they were cheating they put monkeys in a box with the exhaust hooked up to prove the point (even though there are computers that can accurately measure it). I suppose germany doesn't fall too far from the hitler tree

#1249 1 year ago

In what way?
Internet: You also have comcast which may be a bigger player than AT&T seeing how they have merged with GE who owns NBC and universal. There are a gazillion other small ISP's (including wireless)
Cellular: You have verizon, sprint, t-mobile, dozens of pay-as-you phones (many of which piggyback on other carriers, but charge half the cost)
TV: I have uverse only because I refuse to sign up with comcast. I'm still considering cutting the cord with so many choices these days (youtube TV, hulu, sling, playstation vue)

#1251 1 year ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Those companies that charge "half the cost" are getting exactly what they're worth. If AT&T's service is not worth what they charge, they would not be selling their services.

Not true. I pay $55/month for straight talk unlimited, which piggy backs on at&t/verizon/t-mobile. I've had better coverage than when I was on AT&T where I was paying $190 for 2 phones with the same service (and I have no contract). AT&T has customers because those customers don't realize they can pay less, or afraid to lose that "grandfathered unlimited data plan" that means nothing today.

Quoted from MrBally:

Do you really think that Ford, Toyota, GM(The current Company), Honda, FCA, Volkswagen group, and Hyundai are just gonna roll over and play dead. They don't need to have a PR man making bi-weekly claims of every move they are making regarding their own tactics & strategies.

No, it's hard to move giants. Toyota and honda are every conservative companies that focus on reliability, not necessarily on innovation, and will likely continue to be #2 and #3. Hyundai pushes the envelope, but they are still suffering from major quality issues (see exploding sunroofs and transmission failures). GM will keep churning out sleepy run of the mill cars so long as people keep settling ($40k pickup trucks still using key ignitions instead of push button). Don't be so sure Volkswagen makes it. 3 years ago they had a value of 67 billion, they lost half of that in lawsuits and fines (and probably more in customer trust). Unless they truly come up with something innovative they may not survive.

#1257 1 year ago

Yes, and she crossed outside of the crosswalk. Go on liveleak and see how many pedestrians get nailed by cars with drivers paying attention because of the pedestrians fault.. videos like this one:

If nothing else, self-driving cars are good for insurance companies. LOTS of cameras and Lidar scanners collecting data.

#1264 1 year ago

arizona driver was looking at his phone during crash.. However if you look at the video there's NO way any human would have avoided that accident. she pops out of nowhere because she has no light on her bike or any reflective clothing. It's amazing how stupid people are.
https://jalopnik.com/video-shows-driver-in-fatal-autonomous-uber-crash-was-l-1823970417

#1270 1 year ago
Quoted from Fytr:

There is no way the car should have hit that pedestrian. The human driver was a useless waste of space not even looking at the road.

People look at their phones while driving without an auto-pilot. What do you think is going to happen when they think they can rely on the car to avoid accidents?

Quoted from Fytr:

But the biggest issue is that the automated driving system completely failed to spot the person or the bike. It's LIDAR based and doesn't depend on the available light

True.. not sure how it didn't detect it. Maybe it doesn't depend on the LIDAR as much as you think

Seriously though, self-driving or not. Crossing a road, in the dark (when there was a street light literally 15 feet away that would have illuminated that person), with no light or reflective clothing is REALLY stupid. When I was a kid I got a $5 ticket for not having a light on my bike, and my dad laughed that the police had nothing better to do. But honestly, I'm glad I got that ticket because people walking or riding bikes (especially near streets) should have lights. Also people just don't look anymore, and sometimes in broad daylight. I don't know how many times I'm driving through a strip mall, and people just walk blindly into traffic without looking expecting the drivers to do all the watching. I'm not saying pedestrians are just as much at fault (they do have right away), but man that's a lot of faith to be putting in drivers, especially as distracted as they are these days.

#1277 1 year ago

A model 3 already got wrecked.. Guess what it sold for?

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#1307 1 year ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

TRIED to buy right at the low point but Fidelity took like 36 hours to sell another stock to free up funds and I missed slightly. Eh, good enough.

another reason to like cryptocurrency trading, selling and buying is instant and only costs .5%

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#1345 1 year ago

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-switching-to-24-7-shifts-to-push-for-6-000-model-1825335216

Good news they're going to be profitable, but why am I imagining the plot to gung-ho "15 thousand cars? that's a LOT of cars!"

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#1407 1 year ago

another crash, rear-ended a firetruck at 60mph because she was texting, only broke an ankle.
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-s-driver-says-autopilot-was-on-before-crash-1826022381

I believe they call it "semi-autonomous" for a reason

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#1417 1 year ago

salvaged tesla under water for 10 days, they powerwashed the inside.. with a jump it still booted without issue:

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#1426 1 year ago
Quoted from Sheprd:

Happy with my Bolt!

What ARE the tax incentives on a bolt anyway? Seems like the base price is the same as a model3?

#1434 1 year ago
Quoted from John_I:

I would take the Bolt hands down.

Quoted from Brijam:

The Bolt, IMO, looks like any other subcompact car - boring and forgettable

Doug thinks it's Uncool a year ago:

I will say that for $37k the bolt isn't "bad". I mean it's 200hp, 238 mile range for same money (tesla base is 220 mile range, 258hp). Most would argue tesla is cooler, but is the bolt more practical because it's a hatch? (I'm guessing it still doesn't fit a pin). Almost wish Honda would make an EV version of the Fit.

* I'm also guessing the bolt doesn't have any of the semi-autonomous features as the tesla, or access to supercharging?

#1450 1 year ago
Quoted from Eryeal:

Wouldn't be surprised if big oil is also somewhat behind companies like GM not producing more EV cars.

not anymore, we have maybe 50 years of easily obtainable oil. even the arab countries producing oil have been investing in solar for the past decade. i think its dealers pushing back because once you have a car that rarely needs service, then they make no money on repairs... and contrary to popular belief, they dont make that much money on sales (less than 2%).

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#1468 1 year ago

I really want Tesla to succeed, they are too important to fail. However, Heighway pinball put up a tent for their printing department shortly before they closed (the first time). I really hope the tent is meant to be a temporary structure until they work out the issues in the main factory.
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#1485 1 year ago
Quoted from AAAV8R:

The company is still hemorrhaging money, and is running out of options for raising additional capital. Getting Model 3 production up to target levels was critical to mitigating cash flow losses. The second assembly line is clearly not functional, and Elon is obviously lying about it. Furthermore, even IF the second assembly line becomes operational, it will be crawling along using manual assembly.

Tesla is in big, big trouble.

Every new company hemorrhages money. Also Tesla IS being watched under the microscope because they are shaking up the industry.

If you think shady or unproductive things don't go on at other car factories you'd be wrong, just look at how Volkswagen lied about EPA numbers which resulted:
* billions of dollars in fines
* Who knows how much revenue lost from buying back cars, lost sales
* A lot of employees let go, many of them went to prison

GM engineers complain that they are in meetings 32 hours a week, leaving little time for doing actual work
https://jalopnik.com/ex-gm-engineer-explains-how-companys-culture-rewards-in-1593313126

#1516 1 year ago
Quoted from jalpert:

A ICE P100D would get what? 12MPG? Maybe 15MPG? With Tesla’s effencieny, if your someone who likes to floor it all the time, the electric savings is a lot greater than it may seem. And most people aren’t taking the fact that they are buying a super car into account.

It's like today I saw a prius on the highway doing 90mph. Umm, you bought that hybrid for WHAT reason? Then on the same note, I'll see someone driving a mustang GT like a grandma, and again.. you bought that sports car for WHAT reason?

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#1606 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

People used to say that the market for the iPhone was limited because of its high cost, too. Or that meaningful competition from established brands like Nokia would destroy them.

no way apple is going to affect BlackBerry sales either.. i mean they are giants with thousands of programmers

"people want physical buttons!" says nobody today

#1609 11 months ago

Rich rebuild showed up on the motherboard channel.. he brings a lot of this up on his own channel (about how tesla refuses to service salvaged vehicles, that they won't even sell you parts forcing owners to buy used parts to keep them running).. He also talks about how there are laws that say it's illegal to not allow owners to service their own vehicles so long as they have the proper tools to do so

#1613 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

I wouldn’t want to own any salvaged car. There’s a reason they’re called salvage.

And that's your choice, especially if you can afford one. If it weren't for the lack of support, and the rising prices of salvaged teslas, it might be a worthy project. I mean so long as it's not a flood car (just smashed in an accident), and can you repair all the damage I don't see the harm. The biggest reason (which he covers in one of his videos) why so many teslas are salvaged is because repairs are expensive (repair tech charges $800/hour), and that's if you don't mind waiting a few months to wait in line for it to be repaired.

#1615 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

I have a lot of trouble believing that $800 an hour figure. Can you give me a citation?

I mispoke, it's $125/hour. But I guess the point is that a fender bender still ended up costing $17k ($10k just in labor, and the rest in parts) because they control the pricing on parts. Obviously if something is a warranty that's a different story, but minor fender benders can be costly

#1618 11 months ago
Quoted from MrBally:

If Tesla will not sell service parts to a vehicle owner, count me out as a potential customer until that changes.

Not exactly. If your car is under warranty, or is deemed road worthy they will sell you part (hence why they ask for a VIN number when you call customer service). And I get them not wanting a bunch of rogue mechanics fixing salvaged cars and either causing an accident (making tesla look bad), or perhaps they end up messing up a public charge station because of a faulty wire. I think what rich is trying to do is push for more certified mechanics, or some way of paying a shop to perform a diagnostic to check that his repair is kosher, not just lock him out and let any broken tesla to just sit and rot in a junkyard.

#1622 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

That's what insurance is for.

Yes, but I would imagine a $17k bill would make your rates go up, maybe even get dropped. In 18 years I made two claims on my house insurance policy, once for siding damage from hail, one from roof damage from wind. Each were about $10k in claims, only having to pay my deductible of $1,000. Needless to say, after the roof repair I got a letter in the mail that said if I ever have another claim, it won't be covered under my deductible, I will have to pay 4% of my current home's value, which is practically no coverage.

#1624 11 months ago
Quoted from mattosborn:

what was the insurance company?

state farm.. who have been pretty decent to us as far as automobiles. I don't think it's the insurance company, our area is notorious for contractors contacting homes when a storm rolls through and taking care of most paperwork so they can get the work.

#1635 11 months ago
Quoted from Darscot:

it puts a weird spin on Rich. Its so serious and paints him as this gorilla revolutionary against Tesla. The guy is so charismatic and hilarious, I wish they showed more of who he really is

I'm sure that channel has to keep things clean. One of his most recent episodes had a LOT of innuendo. It's not unusual for a documentary style channel to focus on the overall story rather than try to summarize everything. It WAS sort of nice seeing everything in clean HD video with good microphones as apposed to Rich's typical cellphone video.

#1641 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

But it's hard for me to imagine Tesla going under. They went from nothing to producing double Jaguar's total production in less than six years, and are sitting on three of the most popular luxury cars the world has ever seen.

agreed.. I remember watching youtube videos early on before they even had their first roadster in production of customers on the phone talking about how they want to support tesla to get them in production no matter what it takes (I don't know remember if that meant financial backing or just buying early production models). I would imagine with so many existing customers that want to continue seeing their current vehicle supported (and see what the next models are) they will do everything in their power to make sure they don't go away.

I liken it to how the pinball community reached out financially to try to keep alien production going, except in this case Tesla is a great proven product. Alien had too many issues, including it's maneuverability to keep throwing money at it.

Quoted from DCFAN:

What does Chevy do about selling parts for the Volt?

It appears they will sell you ANY part you need for it:
https://www.gmpartsonline.net/auto-parts/2011/chevrolet/volt/base-trim/1-4l-l4-electric-gas-engine

#1646 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Salvaged should mean literally that - you cannot drive it

are you sure? insurance companies deem a car's title "salvage" when the repairs exceed 80% of the value, which in some cases could be only body damage. If you're driving a 2000 ford focus and you get rear ended at 10mph, repairing it could easily meet that, but it can still be perfectly safe to drive.

#1654 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Did anyone else see the tweet from Elon saying that you'll be able to play classic Atari games as easter eggs in all Teslas in about 4 weeks? Pole Position using the steering wheel??? GTFO

In russia, tetris plays you!

#1655 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Q2 earnings are out and they're much better than I expected. After hours trading on Tesla is up 5% at the moment as a result.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/1/17639588/tesla-earning-q2-2018-model-3-production

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#1678 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

It’s a shame that Toyota went down the hydrogen dead end road.

it's also a shame they stopped innovating. While nearly every other car company is adding hi-tech features (none quite as much as tesla), toyota is happy with their nearly bone stock vehicles (but they'll sell you 20% of those features if you buy the top package model). My wife's parents are stuck on toyota and bought a sienna about 2 years ago. Not only does the navigation system suck, but you CANNOT make changes to your route unless you park the car. There is no armrest navigation, everything is touch screen only. There's not even a "but I'm a passenger" button. Your phone app is more advanced than the $1200 navigation system toyota sold you. Ironic that my username has toyota in it, and even I don't support them anymore.

#1685 11 months ago
Quoted from o-din:

I'm happy Toyota's not going out of their way to overstuff with a bunch of high-tech bullshit

I don't usually complain about my basic scion XD, but man driving my wife's fully loaded mazda cx-5 is a huge jump in features. auto wipers, easy navigation wheel, lane departure detection, distance settable cruise control, heated seats, sunroof. Can I live without all these features? Sure, but they're starting to become the norm. At one time power windows used to be a "feature", then honda managed to cost reduce the electric one down until it was cheaper than the manual crank. Toyota might be reliable, but the boring "appliance car" is becoming more true every year.

#1710 11 months ago
Quoted from robertmee:

Not an apples to apples comparison. Especially considering the least inexpensive tesla currently is how much?

$35k (it was 28.5k before the tax rebate expired). The same money gets you a nissan leaf or a chevy bolt, both which don't have the same battery range or speed, or the charging speed. Currently there's really no way for ANY manufacturer to build an electric car with a decent range for less than $35k, and it's not the motor or the technology, it comes down to the price of lithium-ion cells. Tesla has the best chance at maximizing cost reduction by optimizing the cell size eliminating the middle man by producing it themselves. Every car manufacturer really needs to have at least one electric car in their lineup because the day a battery breakthrough happens (increasing capacity or reducing cost, or both), electric is going to be VERY competitive with ICE.

#1712 11 months ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

The Tucker and Delorean come to mind as ahead of their time upstarts destroyed by the big three. I would not feel comfortable holding the stock long term.

that IS apples and oranges.
The Tucker was made in the 50s, back when there were rarely any cars imported, and it truly was "the big three" stomping every small start up. They stopped him with bad press (because there was no internet to fact check), and by restricting buying of steel (now steel is made overseas, they can't stop that). Let's also not forget the bailout the big three got from the government to stay afloat from 2009-2013, they aren't nearly as big anymore
https://www.thebalance.com/auto-industry-bailout-gm-ford-chrysler-3305670

Delorean made the dumb mistake of being a middle man for cocaine transport to help keep his business afloat rather than seeking investors.

#1716 11 months ago
Quoted from robertmee:

Way under powered, crappy build quality by under trained staff in Ireland, and was Mish mashed together after dumping the rotary engine for a Peugeot 130hp v6.

completely agree with all of that.. it's still a sweet looking car (which is also an iconic movie car), but it has many faults. Of course if you swap a vette motor in it's a different story:

#1729 11 months ago

speaking of fast cars, anyone following the 1600hp Hennessy? supposedly capable of 300mph (at least on paper). Haven't seen a test run yet

#1739 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Given the fact that solar and wind are now the cheapest forms of power by far

The actual panels and wind turbines are cheap these days... Getting those devices to work with the power grid (converting, managing the power, conditioning it, storing it) are still challenging and expensive. A lot of the electrical companies (at least from conversations I've had with someone that lives in california) make it very difficult to not only setup a solar system, but they limit how much you can sell back (and they also screw you when they DO buy electricity from you).

I've been following "mechanical energy" storage on youtube. Bill gates is a big believer in it. Basically instead of using batteries (which are expensive and have a limited lifespan), you say use that energy to run a low gear motor that lifts a heavy weight on a pulley (which creates potential energy). As you need energy, you simply run the system in reverse.

#1747 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Grid tie systems aren’t challenging at all. It is trivial to have both solar and grid power in a house.

The way I understand how it works (solar typically runs above 12v, gets regulated to 12v, then an inverter upconverts it to 120vac), but it's my understanding that even if you don't sell power back that you still have to run a true sine wave inverter because you can't mix it with grid AC if that were the case (unless you have some master switch that runs off the grid during the day, then you switch over to grid power after a certain time because power is dirt cheap). Even if you buy the building blocks (believe me, I've watched a ton of youtube videos on it), it seems like the controllers can get expensive when you start talking going above about 30 amps. Also there's a lot you have to be careful of while wiring it all up just the same if you were doing electrical work (don't know if there's like a "off the grid for dummies" book)? I can imagine someone making a lot of assumptions and not taking pre-cautions with proper fusing and causing an electrical fire.

On that note, I really like this dude's 4 videos about his tesla power brick installation:

#1771 11 months ago

https://electrek.co/2018/08/06/tesla-model-s-refresh-concept

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#1774 11 months ago
Quoted from Manhattan:

I am concerned for this latest project that Rich has been working on for the last while since unlike his last salvage this one was underwater for 10 days. I'll be curious to see if he's able to finish

me too.. I mean circuit boards can usually be repaired (so long as components are available) even if traces have to be blasted to prevent further corossion (or jumpered). I didn't look closely but I would imagine the boards are surface mount (which makes repair far harder). That electric motor though, that definitely had some red water coming out. Unless you want to grind the rotor and re-wire the stator, I don't see how that's going to get repaired. Who knows, maybe he'll run into someone else like him that has non-flooded boards and motor and is either willing to sell it, or trade it for parts that he has.

#1801 11 months ago
Quoted from AAAV8R:

I just looked it up and TSLA is reporting a free float of 126.03 million.

126.03 x 420 = $52.93 BILLION

Also, TSLA has a net debt of around $8.8 BILLION

So, right out of the gate, you are going to have to raise around $61 BILLION, and we haven't even begun to talk about free cash flow, working capital, or debt service.
would you borrow $60+ BILLION dollars to a car company that is losing $8-16 million dollars a day?1`

ARE they still losing money? (and that much?). I thought they were approaching cash positive. Let's assume next quarter they are, is any car company worth 61 billion? Sure, I mean volkswagen is worth 75 billion, toyota is worth 236 billion. Surely Tesla has more potential value than Volkswagen. You have to wonder though, is he just switching from being owned by stockholders, to being owned by private investors? Or do you think it's like a shark deal where he gets a loan by giving up a small percentage of the company, and he can slowly pay that loan back as the company ramps up?

#1824 11 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

the Saudis are under a mandate to create a trillion dollar non-oil return, and Tesla would be on the top of anyone’s list for that

it's true, they are weaning off an oil based economy. they plan to build a 200GW power plant by 2030:
https://qz.com/1240862/what-saudi-arabias-200-gw-solar-power-plant-would-look-like-from-space/

Not only do they want to provide power for europe, global warming keeps making every year hotter. something has to power all those air conditioners.

#1826 11 months ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

Never going to happen re: supplying power to Europe.
Much more likely though re: North Africa. Particularly Morocco / Algeria.

maybe.. never the less, its the new cash cow.

#1833 11 months ago
Quoted from rubberducks:

Musk (and others at Tesla) have now been subpoenaed by the SEC.

Yes.. because you know when VW decided to fool the EPA, it put them out of business

#1925 10 months ago

First China is chomping at the bit of tesla, now the russian company that makes AK-47's is ramping up to compete too
https://techcrunch.com/2018/08/24/kalashnikov-tesla/

#1927 10 months ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

The last thing I want is a Russian made car, or a Russian made anything for that matter.

are you sure? they are great quality

I wasn't implying someone in the US would want one, but someone in russia might. Plus Tesla is a global car company.. And if someone in russia is making something to compete, clearly Tesla is doing something right.

#1943 10 months ago

Another tesla owner frustrated with the company's lack of support (service, parts, etc) once the warranty is out.. However, he does comment that "the tesla is like a lego set, very easy to work on". So come on Tesla, start supporting your early supporters.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/28/tesla-owner-frustrated-so-fixes-his-own-model-s-easy-as-legos.html

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#1972 10 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

However, I wonder how they will compete on price, given Tesla’s dominance and economies of scale in battery production, and Mercedes and BMW having to outsource their batteries from third parties. The battery is far and away the largest cost for the car.

agreed.. just look at the electric car BMW has today. less range, high price tag, not quite up to par with the same quality of other BMW's. If nothing else, any of these companies releasing electric cars are doing so as an R&D case, possibly using it to offset carbon credits, but they will have a tough time catching up. I don't blame any of them for trying, I just don't know how successful any of them will be.

#1980 10 months ago

Elon Musk on joe rogan experience:

#1991 10 months ago
Quoted from crwjumper:

Before you call for Elon to step down, watch the interview with Joe Rogan above. In full.

Exactly... I don't think he even breathes it in.. it's such a short part of the interview, but the media takes a snapshot and makes it look like he smoked through the entire interview.

#1993 10 months ago

musk talks about the ballet dance easter egg

#2000 10 months ago
Quoted from Nilroc:

Look at the facts! Tesla is doing just fine!

I watched that entire interview with amazement.. He stated an interesting fact... there are only 2 car companies that have never filed for bankruptcy, Ford and Tesla. Both of them were really close to shutting it's doors in 2008 when the crash happened, but they continued on (Ford did get a loan, not a bailout, and they paid it back in full unlike Chrysler and GM).

#2010 10 months ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Still don't see Teslas on the road. What's up with that?

you live in a rural area then. I see them constantly.. Model 3's, Model X's and S's. In fact the Turo app lets you rent cars from people, and there's at least 4-5 of them to rent within 40 miles of my home.

#2046 10 months ago
Quoted from RyanStl:

Okay, I'm 20 minutes into the Joe Rogan - Elon Musk interview and I won't be able to sleep tonight. I have a new respect for Elon; I have never heard him talk like this before, only doing Steve Jobs like reveals. This quote in Sarah Connor like tones is disturbing me:

"I tried to convince people to slow down, slow down A.I., to regulate A.I,” Musk said. “This was futile. I tried for years. Nobody listened.”

If you really don't want to sleep tonight, just watch some boston dynamics videos and realize they have completely autonomous (without tethering) robotic dogs and humanoids.



Interesting thing about boston dynamics, 10 years ago they started with gas engines for the power, now they are completely silent electric motor driven.

#2048 10 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

For what they'll be in five years.

Assume whatever videos they are sharing with the public, the stuff they have in their labs is even more advanced.

#2054 10 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

I think Elon is talking about big industrial robots and how they are trying to speed them up to increase higher output on the assembly line.

He is, probably has pick and place robots like this one to build cells (and possibly weld tabs)

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#2071 9 months ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

all manufacturers will use the same pay chargers at service stations/areas as the infastructure gets built up.

Most gas stations make very little from the gas, most of it is made from store purchases as a convenience. I do wonder if at some point stations will start giving discounts for purchases. I mean wifi made people hang around coffee shops more to spend more on coffee. Granted wifi is cheap and giving out more doesn't cost any more (compared to electricity that DOES cost per kwatt). But I could see gas stations with restaurants giving say half off charging fee if they spend at least $10 at their restaurant, since they have to waste time anyway. Stores like Target could do the same, spend at least $10 in their store, get a discount on your charging.

#2090 9 months ago
Quoted from jalpert:

5 star crash safety rating in every category and sub-category. I'll give the regulars here a few minutes to find a way to bash this..

videos released

#2151 9 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Except it looks like the Tesla battery at least will have 80% charge at 500,000 miles, so battery service may not be a big issue.

How is Tesla making such a better battery? And when did they get this good, when they opened the gigafactory to build their own? The original Nissan leaf will only go about 40k miles before the battery starts not fully charging, but perhaps this is because it has a shorter range (like 1/3 the capacity) so it's going to cycle more. Still seems high, but impressive if true. Interesting how in the 80s the norm for a car was about 100k miles for it's average lifespan before it was ready to trade in. Now today the average ICE car can easily hit 200k miles before developing major issues. If a Tesla battery (and hopefully the motor) can reach 500k miles, that's amazing achievement. Maybe the higher price is justified if you can get more than twice the life out of it.

#2164 9 months ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

I just watched a video on the chive, where a guy in a model 3 was pulled over because the cop had never heard of a Tesla before and the cop thought that the dash screen was added to the car, not a stock factory installed screen.
Once the cop realized that the screen was part of the car he apologized and carried on his way.

how does someone who's job it is to interact with traffic has no idea of a 10 year old car company exists? this has to be in some southern ho-dunk town.

#2208 9 months ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

I do not see any logic to that assertion.

agreed.. Also nobody is going to reduce their carbon footprint to zero. But anyone that makes positive choices to use less waste (eat less meat, buy less packaged foods, drive a more efficient car even if they can't afford electric, hypermiling, carpooling, using LED lighting at home) should pat themselves on the back. A lot of Americans are very wasteful and simply don't care about the envoirment.

Ed Begley Jr is uber green and just built a custom house that is nearly zero carbon footprint (it's actually pretty amazing if you read up on it). Everything from solar, to insulation, to reclaiming rainwater and wastewater from sinks.

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#2242 8 months ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

not a knock on toyotaboy, but i really don't know why anyone puts any stock whatsoever into these absurd third-party teardowns with analysis from people with zero insight into why specific engineering decisions were made, and how they impact Tesla's bottom line or the vehicle's operation. i really can't stress enough how worthless this exercise is.

There's negatives, but there's also many positives if you watch the whole thing. That tesla has designed the cheapest and lightest electric motor, that they've also designed the most powerful one by stacking neodynium magnets, that their battery pack has phenomenal engineering that will likely last a long time.

Having more parts than necessary, or more screw sizes/lengths is never a good thing. They aren't knocking the design necessarily, just commenting it could be done better. Of course Tesla has only had 10 years to learn how to manufacture, so they certainly aren't doing bad.

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#2269 8 months ago

Gee, volkswagen is kind of a dick

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#2281 8 months ago
Quoted from goatdan:

I'm happy to be out of the gas game, excepting one snow blower...

I don't own a tesla, nor do I know when I'll afford one.. but I did go all electric landscaping last year. Greenworks electric mower, greenworks electric hedgeclipper, Echo electric Trimmer, AC Corded snowblower off amazon (I have a small driveway). I now have a 2 gallon gas tank sitting in my garage I need to get rid of because nothing uses it.

#2285 8 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

there's one in my area for $5k on craigslist right now.

they seem to be cheaper in portland, maybe because there's more of them out there. But yea, used leafs are pretty cheap compared to what they are new. Still pounding on my gas car, might consider a used leaf when it's been beaten into the ground.

#2286 8 months ago

semi-trucks being road tested. Has an eerie motor whine, and nothing else.

#2292 8 months ago
Quoted from goatdan:

Unless it's a 2011/12. The batteries in those are garbage and Nissan refuses to work on some of them because of a weird lawsuit they had, so they should be avoided like the plague

Good to know, but you're just saying they won't warranty it right? If you found a cheap 2011 with a crappy battery, you could still pay $5,500 plus installation for a new battery right?

#2294 8 months ago
Quoted from goatdan:

Without a going too far into the weeds on it, Nissan chose to charge the Leaf essentially like a phone, so it's not surprising the batteries degrade badly, although those originals were SO MUCH worse. Tesla really looked at their battery tech and added the thermal management stuff, and they also seem to build in a buffer so you're never actually charging to 100%

it's amazing how some companies don't know how lithium-ion works. Even with AGM cells (I used to work for schumacher electric) you want to not only vary the voltage as you charge, but you want to constantly monitor the voltage to get a good estimate of when the battery is truly full.

Quoted from goatdan:

From what I understand, they won't warranty it OR work on it. They won't touch it. And since they are the only source for new batteries, you're SOL

I think that's why we're seeing a lot of really cheap 11/12 leafs. The owners know eventually the battery is going to die without a replacement option, or the range will be so terrible it's hardly worth owning. But like you said, eventually someone is bound to make an aftermarket battery, and I believe you can build a BMS system into the pack itself so even if your charging system is dumb it manages the power coming in to prolong the life.

Found this thread that confirms at least a 30kwh battery can be retrofitted into an older leaf, but it's a rare case that a dealer is willing to do it
https://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/battery-upgrade-for-old-leafs.532/

"There is youtube channel where a 2012 Leaf battery went bad and just barely got replaced under warranty. The new range was over 120 miles so it looked like a 30 kWr had been put into the car. Comments suggested that the battery management system in the battery pack was changed some how to work with the older car. The car didn't know the difference. It's all in the battery case"

#2295 8 months ago

found this video interesting. While not recommended, this guy had someone tow him to see how much the regenerative braking would recharge his battery. It's very likely that Tesla's estimating software is off (14 miles of charge to 1 mile of towing sounds too good to be true considering regen braking is like 70% efficient).

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#2313 7 months ago

Without getting political (because all our presidents have turned a blind eye), Trump doesn't care that a journalist was murdered so long as gas prices are low. How about you just avoid oil to begin with?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-saudi-arabia-oil-prices_us_5bf55699e4b0eb6d930a2d28

#2317 7 months ago

Just popped up in my news feed too. $70k is a lot (even before incentives), but it's not THAT far away from some of these upper end gas pickups. no wonder why Elon bumped up the pickup truck project and pushed the semi project back, he has competition now.

#2319 7 months ago
Quoted from goatdan:

It's a fascinating day because of Chevy's massive cuts today, which they said this about:

"GM now intends to prioritize future vehicle investments in its next-generation battery-electric architectures,” the company said in a Monday news release.

Wow! 7 factories closing down by end of next year, that's huuge
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/gm-to-cut-10-000-jobs-targets-5-factories-for-closing-next-year

Vehicles dropped: Buick LaCrosse, Chevrolet Impala and Cadillac CT6 sedans next year. The Chevy Volt plug-in hybrid will also be dropped along with the Chevy Cruze compact, which will be made in Mexico for other markets.

#2333 7 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

But does anyone actually believe that Ford will cannibalize their F150 juggernaut by marketing a superior F150EV?

Depends on what the F150EV costs. If it's $20k more, most landscapers and contractors will probably continue to buy the $30k gas version simply because it's cheaper (you'd be amazed how many of them will use cheap gas which clogs up their carbs, which ends up probably costing more than just buying better gas). If you're buying an F150 to run a ranch, or you're a high-end landscaper (brick walls, low voltage lighting) or high-end contractor (building theater rooms n such) you might consider buying an EV version. Ideally Ford should try to maintain as many parts from the gas version and simply retrofit the EV portion, maybe swap out all the lamps for LED, add an LCD screen in the middle, call it a day until EV sales start outpacing the gas version.

But like has been mentioned MANY times in this thread, Tesla will always have the upper hand not only making their own batteries, but owning the charging grid, not to mention they have 10 years of testing (consumers driving their vehicles). It's going to be very difficult for any major company to catch up, even volkswagen claiming they're going to invest 50 billion to squash the competition.

#2339 7 months ago

GM getting the double whammy, Trump is planning to cut EV subsidies because of dismal sales of the BOLT
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/business/gm-trump-subsidies/index.html

#2347 7 months ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Has anyone heard about the Hyundai Kona EV? Price with tax subsidy should be close to $30k for the lower model. 258 mile range, larger and a good deal cheaper then the Model 3.

https://m.hyundaiusa.com/kona-electric/

Whenever you see a cheap EV, always question the batteries. Seems the Kona EV is using NCM 811 cells, which are made by CATL (same manufacturer that VW is looking to make their batteries). I really hope some of these car companies have done their homework, that's a lot of investment to put into a battery supplier.

#2350 7 months ago

Kia soul EV is going to be 201hp equivalent, 240 mile range, and an estimated price of $33k. Yes a base model3 isn't much higher, but when is that base model going to be available? Hopefully before this comes out next year. Plus it still qualifies for the $7500 tax incentive, which would drop the cost to $25.5k
https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-kia-soul-ev-gets-much-better-range-and-deserve-1830748157

#2352 7 months ago
Quoted from Brijam:

Yeah but can you haul a pin in it?

Can you in a model3?

#2354 7 months ago

Hoovie's garage reviews the used tesla he bought 6 months ago

#2355 7 months ago

https://insideevs.com/volkswagens-21000-future-ev-e-up/

"It’s great to hear that VW is updating their electric subcompact, but this ~$21,000 future EV didn’t turn out to be the Tesla competitor that Bloomberg had predicted"

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#2360 7 months ago

Porsche and bmw testing 80% charging in 15 minutes, double the capacity of tesla.. however this is a test battery that has not been tested for lifecycle, and it requires secondary cooling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-12-13/bmw-porsche-boast-three-minute-charging-jolt-for-electric-cars

#2362 7 months ago

Vw's electric car is announced, rumored to be called neo.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/12/17/vw-id-range-and-more-info/

Anyone else think it looks a little bit like the cop car from demolition man?
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#2367 6 months ago

SOLO? 100 mile range, 82mph top speed, 0-60 in 8 seconds. Not great, but cheap

https://electrameccanica.com/product/solo-reservation

$15k, but there may not be any tax incentives because it's technically not a car since it has only 3 wheels
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4223279-design-flaw-prevents-california-residents-obtaining-electrameccanica-cars-virtually-cost

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#2373 6 months ago
Quoted from Luckydogg420:

I like this video, it’s fun. But realistically it’s not that impressive. There are lots of cars that could drag a pickup with only its emergency break on. Probably anything with 250hp and 4 wheel drive.

No it's not necessarily impressive, I've seen videos of tesla cars towing semitrucks (because it has the torque and 4-wheel drive). I was more posting this because I can't believe there are such anti-electric a-holes that are seriously purposely blocking chargers.

#2376 6 months ago

don't mean to hyperpost, but found this interesting. This is Chevy's concept for a drag ready Camaro. 800 volts and as much horsepower. What intrigues me is that they made sure they chose a motor that easily bolts up to most of Chevy's existing transmissions which if this is successful they could possibly offer a DIY kit to convert older chevy vehicles. Lord knows there are a ton of used cheap chevy's out there, many with blown engines that would be a perfect fit for something like this.


#2379 6 months ago

yet again why I've lost faith in toyota, they play it too safe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&v=naN40spDu9c

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