Day 1 reservation holder. Took the day off work 3/31 last year and stood for 6 hours in the snow.

Sucks that I need AWD so it won't be this year for me. I'm hoping April 2018. I cannot wait until my car drives me around and in 12 months we should be there.

Check out "Tesla Model 3 Owners Club" on YouTube. Fanboys for sure but I love watching them. Also, their inside / unofficial announcements are shockingly good.

The release of this car is going to change the world. The machine learning and AI Tesla is working on is going to apply to so many other aspects of our life, things we never dreamed of. Maybe not next year or even in the next few, but this is the beginning of amazing things.

It was a bit of a punch to the guy seeing that they aren't making any AWD 3's this year. I was hoping to have my car in January, 4 more months (estimated) won't kill me but this wait is already getting hard.

This is just 100% false, except the 10 years part. Tesla will constantly be improving and innovating and those improvements and innovations will be used in future cars. So yes, in 10 years, the Model 3 as it currently is will be a dinosaur.

In terms of batteries, there is no way to compare the batteries Nissan is using in the leaf to what Tesla is using in their vehicles.

Yes, false.

This just came up on AI applications beyond cars:

https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/27/elon-musk-neuralink-ai-cranial-computing/

Also, Tesla is now worth more than Ford.

Besides all that and their space contracts, I wouldn't bet against Tesla.

Nissan did some things wrong, and the industry as a whole has learned from their mistakes. You don't ever need to replace the batteries in an electric car, minus very rare instances of defective cells. Batteries in electric cars are designed to go 250,000 miles plus with a very reasonable amount of degradation.

Batteries are probably the last thing to worry about when it comes to electric cars.

This has already happened. Google "Tesla Gigafactory." Mass production and enhanced design is why the Model 3 exists.

They don't. The cost of replacement batteries is a non issue. Batteries on EV's have extended warranties, plenty of time to get under warranty replacements, which almost never happens.

Battery replacements are rare, there should be next to no instances of not under warranty battery replacements. Of course batteries can go bad, and of course they can go bad out of warranty, and I'm sure there are horror stories out there (that aren't Leaf related), but it's one of the last things you have to worry about when buying an EV.

#fakenews

I'm thinking the model 3 is going to be the pro version of the model S. The premiums have more features, but the pro models are really fun too and cost a lot less.

All I care about is getting what was promised so far. If the car can go 215 electric, can be configured in AWD, can take advantage of the latest Autopilot technology (with additional cost), I can put a panoramic roof on it, and it can supercharge, I'm good. Everything else is gravy.

I'm afraid the stereo upgrade won't be as good as the model S because it doesn't make sense to put a $2,500 stereo in a $35,000 car. Maybe there will be a medium upgrade option. I guess we'll see. I'm not even assuming the car comes standard with leather seats, though I think it probably does. I think upgrades and options will be cheaper, but they might be compromised as well. Not saying that's a bad thing, just saying it would make sense. Maybe we will have middle tier options.

I think there will be a couple of surprises both ways, a couple of nice things we didn't expect, and a couple of things we assumed would be standard that aren't. This car is 100% about safety and efficiency in production. Since it has to be on time, I'm sure compromises were made. Those compromises could show up as soon as a few months after the car is released, and I'm 100% okay with that. I'll take mine as soon as I can get it.

When did you reserve? There are only a few thousand employees that reserved, they should be done with those 10/1. 10/1 deliveries should start happening to CA, maybe around 1/1 deliveries starting in the mountain region and picking up from there very quickly as production ramps up.

If you reserved on the first day, you should have no problem getting your car this year, even if you are going for an AWD you still should get it this year.

Mid 2018 is when they are planning on right hand drive vehicles for overseas markets, If you reserved early, you should have your car a lot sooner than mid 2018.

We can't know for sure, but unless Tesla is flat out lying about where they are at, I would not bet against you getting the car this year.

Certainly during Q1 2018. Unless they find a very seeriois or critical problem which can always happen.

True, but unlike the model S and X launches, the #1 priority for Tesla is getting this car out on time. If a feature either wouldn't be done in time and for that budget or less, the feature didn't make the car. That's why, I think the next iteration will be particularly good, there could be all kinds of things that just barely didn't make it.

Tesla's current financial success, maybe it's overall success as a company relies on the Model 3 delivering on what was promised and being on time.

They can be a little late, but they can't be a year late, or anything close to a year late.

Model 3 final unveiling in July.... but we probably could have guessed that. Hopefully August the configurators open up for us, though we'll know the details from employee leaks before that happens.

I think there will be at least 2 battery options if not three. Maybe 45, 60, 75. Or maybe just 60 and 75.

In Colorado it's $5,000 and it's not a rebate, it's instant at the time of purchase.

So, as a person who only buys black cars, anyone else considering blue after seeing the pics?

model-3-blue-rc-3 (resized).jpg
model-3-blue-rc-2 (resized).jpg

I like their red and blue because they are dark. I like the darker shades...

Only a very small percentage of repairs need to happen at a service center. Tesla will send a tech to do your repair on site. Tesla has also sent out a tow truck with a loaner to drop off and pick up your car if the service center is far away.

Truck yes, brown probably not. I guess it's possible

Don't feed the trolls

i need AWD so unfortunately I won't have a car until early next year, but I can't wait to see the reveal, the options, cars being sold.

Rebate or no rebate, the speed and power you get for around $40k is insane. 0-60 in under 6 seconds, self driving, great range. Tesla can anti sell all they want, this is going to be great.

The rumor I heard was that the first model 3 will be RWD and about 75kw. RWD for simplicity, but premium / more expensive cars first hence the higher battery pack option having priority.

It's been confirmed that the car those guys will be seeing is the alpha car from the launch. However, it doesn't appear to have changed much. They probably won't learn of many, if any, details that haven't already been leaked / released.

Which is probably okay. Most of the reviews I've read on the air suspension is that it's not much better but really expensive if it ever needs to be worked on or repaired.

Zero more full months until the start of production.

In case anyone missed it:

-Deliveries start in July
-The first people to buy will have 2 options, wheel size and color
-A schedule of when other upgrades will be available at launch
-AWD has a slight chance of coming this year, but realistically early next (hopefully very early next)

This shouldn't be an issue for most people. Most people probably wouldn't have got their car much sooner than October or November anyway, so waiting until February (speculative) for AWD for example shouldn't be that big a deal.

I'm waiting for AWD. I'm willing to wait a little bit for a panoramic roof, but not very long, I'm hoping it drops before AWD. I also want black seats and a stereo upgrade, hopefully all those are available so I can order all those in February-ish.

It's getting there..... sooner rather than later.

It's common for Tesla to under promise and over deliver.

Tesla said they are about 22 months from full autonomy. Even if it's double that, full autonomy will be around long before 2022.

Rumors are rumors, but this is a fun one:

https://model3ownersclub.com/threads/july-surprise.3983/

Technically...

https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/17/texas-law-allows-driverless-car-tests/

I can't wait to get my car, looking like February for me right now.

I was a morning in store pre-order, so I should get car very soon after AWD goes on sale.

I believe the charge rate is 80% in 40 minutes.

However, the battery in the Model 3 is new, and since nothing has been confirmed it's possible that it can charge quicker.

We don't know yet.

Pretty much the only people not up on Tesla stock are the people who don't have Tesla stock.

It's applied when you checkout.

100%. Packages suck, but they need to make money and they are providing a large amount of value. Win-win.

You have the capability built in. Supercharging is not free for a 3 owner, but it's still a lot cheaper than gas per mile.

Lot's of people like the Leaf, but is it possible you just love the way electric cars drive in general? I've driven a few, and they are all far superior to ICE cars in every way, not just a Leaf thing

I was hoping the AWD model would come sooner, but at the end of the day I think putting that money toward the larger battery is better in the long run. Premium, large battery, RWD all fine, I'll be taking delivery as soon as I can. My estimate is Nov 2017 - Jan 2018.

Charging wise, here is what's included:

240 volt NEMA 14-50 adapter
120 volt NEMA 5-15 adapter
J1772 public charging adapter
20 foot mobile connector with storage bag

Also, I LOVED the idea of a phone dock, but was wondering how they dealt with compatibility. Apparently, the phone dock sits in front of 2 usb ports. You plug the USB in, go through their cable management and clip a right angle iPhone or Android plug in and the phone goes right down on a platform over it all. Pretty smart. I'm guessing it comes with one iPhone and one Android, expect the cables to be about $15 from the Tesla store.

You can't put some of Tesla's best assets on paper, and you can't compare them to other cars. When a reviewer gets in a model 3 and says it feels like a Tesla, that's a big deal. When you get in the car and that all glass roof makes you feel great because of how open the car feels, or the fact that an EV's max torque is at 1MPH... The list goes on.

While Tesla favors well against competitors on paper, it absolutely blows them out of the water with all the intangibles.

Autopilot, tech, UI, frunk, adjustable steering modes... So many advantages to a BMW or Mercedes ICE car.

With promises that large, it's no wonder they are in financial trouble.

It seems to me that your entire argument is, "What Tesla is doing isn't a big deal because anyone could do it," which is just plain wrong. Why did the first Leaf only get 80 miles per charge if it's so easy? What about the BMW i3 or why does the Volt only go 40? If these companies could "do it like nothing," then they are purposefully making their cars shitty. I'm not sure that's the case.

You seem to be getting "making an EV" confused with battery technology. What does Toyota know about batteries? Chevy? Nissan? Not enough apparently to make great gen 1 cars.

Tesla makes the best batteries by far, and EV's, and solar panels, and has a charging infrastructure, autopilot, and they have knowledge of what we want. Traditional auto makers have either very few or none of those things.

This is a pretty good Model 3 read, it's a bit basic though:

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/auto-industry/2017-tesla-model-3-has-unexpected-electric-motor-design.html

It's my understanding that whatever makes your leaf run less efficient, it will also apply to the Tesla. Range will be decreased at speeds over 70mph, cold weather, hard acceleration etc.

It's not unheard of for competitors to pay silly money to buy a car as quick as possible to tear it apart.

Model 3 configuration invites started going out to non-Tesla employees today!!

Doesn't mean much time frame wise, but without this milestone, the full roll out can't happen.

Timelines were pushed 1 month on the 1st. Not many people got the invite, but that fact that the process has started is good news.

My email came in 11/1 at 7:18pm. I was under the impression they all got changed at the same time.

Tomorrow starts my new 1 month delayed delivery window. I want to believe I'll be able to take delivery mid January, or even the last day of February. My gut tells me sometime in April, my head tells me it can be as late as June.

I'm hoping I'm pleasantly surprised.

More model 3 configuration invites went out today. I'm hoping they are about done with current owners so us new owners can get our orders in.

Only selling to owners right now.

On 11/1, the day of the Q3 conference call my reservation got bumped a month. I wonder if they'll adjust the estimator again tonight. I predict that I'll go from dec-feb to feb-april and deliver in early May.

Nah. I got bumped from dec-feb to mar-may. The $7,500 will be around until the end of Q3, they aren't going to hit the limit this quarter.

The first bump was 1 month, obvious it wasn't going to happen. I'm happy my window opens again in 3 weeks, but I also expect this to be the last bump.

Non-owner.

As of now, the steering wheel controls do very little. Once the software is built out and those steering wheel controls contextually adjust to what's being performed, it will fix at least 90% of the gripes I've heard about this.

LOL. I think the guy who's life was most likely saved because he was in a model 3 will disagree with you.

It's amazing he survived without any serious injuries.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/16/tesla-model-3-crash-center-display/

Not sure why you are nitpicking part of my statement, I was responding to someone who said the car has "serious safety issues." If you take a look at the picture of the car, and then read the account of the person who was involved, the car can't be nearly as bad as the person who I was responding to was implying.

Okay, so fine, the car didn't save his life, so now that your happy, no, the car doesn't have any serious safety issues either. (and not because of this article by itself).

I'm hoping for mine next week.

It's a problem that the driver wasn't paying as much attention as she should have been.

It's a problem that the car didn't even try and slow down.

The pedestrian would have been hit at a high speed no matter what.

We can't blame the system for anything, it's in testing which was the entire point of the person being in the car.

Just all around unfortunate.

Just configured!!

Can’t wait, but I’ll have to 3-6 weeks.

I reserved in person 3/31 around noon. I was in line for 6 hours. Estimator was Mar-May

The P100D is an insane car.

Some people think color / wheel has more to do with delays than it does. I'm sure they run batches, but the entire point of a config this simple was the ability to run whatever they need when they need it. I don't think they run a week of blue, a week of white, a week of grey and then your color doesn't come back around for 6 weeks. But then again, it's Tesla, so who knows.

It's hard to say. The problem is, after Canada, they really don't have anywhere else to go. The entire country of Canada has less residents than the state of California, plus with the dollar being so strong making Canadian 3's that much more expensive, offering 3's to Canada isn't much of a delay. Mexico is a right side drive market.

I would not call this an international focus, at least not yet. We aren't going to see any right hand drive 3's this year.

Friday will be 3 weeks since configure. I'm hoping for a VIN in the next 2 weeks.

Double post.

What am I missing?

"With a top track speed of 205 miles per hour and an ability to move from zero to 60 miles per hour in 3.4 seconds, the Porsche 911 GT2 RS is the fastest vehicle ever to come out of the German car stable."

"We all understand acceleration. It’s the rate of change of velocity. This 4,891-pound Tesla Model S P100D does it best, reaching 30, 40, 50, and 60 mph from a standstill more quickly than any other production vehicle we’ve ever tested, full stop. In our testing, no production car has ever cracked 2.3 seconds from 0 to 60 mph. But Tesla has, in 2.275507139 seconds."

I have a delivery date for my Model 3! I'm hoping it comes in a bit early, but it doesn't look like it. Assuming nothing goes wrong, I will have the car next week.

Configured 4/6
Vin 5/3
Delivery specialist call 5/3
Got delivery date of 5/17 on 5/7

As of now, I’m schedule to take delivery 777 days after I placed the reservation.

The car doesn't count "against" the $7,500 until it is delivered. The new configurations are going live next week for July production. The earliest I'd expect to see a trickle of these new configs is 9/1.

I believe they are throttling US deliveries, they seem to have invited every single canadian before clearing even the first couple days of US orders in the queue.

I believe they are trying to hit that 200,000 US delivery early Q3, around July 1 and keep the full credit alive until 1/1/2019.

It could mean that more people go without AWD. AWD is nice, but if it comes out at $5K, and you are going to lose $3750 of the credit like most people, that puts AWD at $8,750. It's the reason I passed on it, and I'm thinking I'll like the larger battery a lot more than I needed AWD.

Even AWD models trickle out in September, it's going to take them months to fill the backlog. Elon said 6 months, so you can count on it taking a lot longer than that.

Unless you live in a really harsh climate, a good set of snow tires is going to be safer than AWD and not having snow tires.

I've got about 60 miles on my car, and it has either met, but mostly exceeded my unreasonably high expectations in every way. When Tesla gets their shit together and figures out how to make these, you will see them everywhere.

The car is a pleasure to drive, very fast, handles great, feels great. The glass roof makes the car feel very spacious, and the premium audio is awesome. People rag on Slacker, but once I jumped through a couple hoops and got my custom stations on there I was a lot happier.

Autopilot is going to make rush hour traffic so much easier. However, not like it's a big secret, but Autopilot is not very effective on the surface streets. However, the adaptive cruise control is.

My only regret is that I didn't camp out overnight at the Tesla store on 3/31/2106 so I could have gotten the car sooner.

The federal reabate is good for the Bolt. State rebates should, but depends on the state.

I'm about a thousand miles into my Model 3 and I love it. I love it so much. I cannot believe that this car has beat almost every expectation I had.

I see a few Chevy Bolts around town, saw one this weekend in the parking lot of the pinball show. I really like the Chevy Bolt. It's functional, has great range, and does what's advertised, keeping you out of gas stations. If the Model 3 didn't exist, I would be driving a Bolt right now, and I would be very happy doing so.

The only real disadvantage the Bolt has is not having a supercharger network. Besides that, The bolt does everything the base Model 3 does and I think Chevy deserves a lot of credit. They did beat Tesla to market afterall with a $35,000-ish electric car.

It's not. Walk into a Chevy dealer and try to buy one. Salespeople avoid it because they don't know much about it, Chevy hasn't marketed it at all, and tons of misinformation by the same people who won't sell them is a large reason why it's not doing better.

They aren't selling because it's almost impossible to buy one.

When people want to talk about the gas savings of a Tesla, the fact that electricity isn’t free usually comes up, which is fair and valid.

However, when most people attempt to calculate the savings of electric cars they go off of a car that gets an average MPG or around the MPG of their current car. A ICE P100D would get what? 12MPG? Maybe 15MPG? With Tesla’s effencieny, if your someone who likes to floor it all the time, the electric savings is a lot greater than it may seem. And most people aren’t taking the fact that they are buying a super car into account.

Tesla is proprietary, J1772 is more "standard." When you buy a Tesla, it comes with an adapter so you can use J1772 charging stations if you want to. Standards aren't a huge deal if you are able to utilize adapters which you can in most cases, not just for charging stations but other plug types. Tesla sells a wide range of adapters, besides the J1772 the car comes with, so you can plug the portable charger that comes with the car into just about anything.

Maybe the automotive component industry needs some new rules...

Why would they want to do business with someone that hates them so much? Why would you?

I love Tesla, Elon, and most of all my Model 3. But, if he would just shut the fuck up, the cars speak for themselves. All this success in spite of all the negatives, by the time production ramps, the BS will die down.

He is thinking WAY too hard about this.

There is no such thing as bad publicity?

It's just crazy that, there are so many people who hate this car, most of these people couldn't have possibly driven one let alone been in one.

This car isn't for everyone, no one car is, but I don't know a single person who has driven one and called it "bad." Not even some of the harshest car reviewers out there, even the tough ones give the car generally high scores.

I'm immediately skeptical of anyone who "hates" this car.

Even if this is true, and I'm not saying it is, Tesla would be doing so at the customers expense. Car dealers spend a lot of money protecting themselves against Tesla, they must make plenty of money if that's the case. Money in dealers pockets is money out of both Tesla's and the customers. Screw dealers and all the BS that comes with them. I've bought plenty of cars at dealerships, buying a Tesla is worlds better.

Tesla shouldn't use dealerships because they are expensive, antiquated and customers hate it.

Most stores by now should have both a performance and non performance for test drives. I don't think you can just show up though, I think you need to make an appointment.

5 star crash safety rating in every category and sub-category. I'll give the regulars here a few minutes to find a way to bash this....

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm glad they didn't jack up the look of the back with all kinds of badges, hell of a car.

There is another thread out there for some of you fools:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/who-is-out-on-tesla-model-3-/

You guys are acting like this guy pissed in your Cheerios.

I don't like Honda's. Decent price, good tech, but I have never liked how they drive.

I couldn't imagine spending hours upon hours on message boards trying to convince people how bad Honda's are. What a low place in my life I'd have to be in to be doing that.

I got version 9 last night. My task for this morning was to drive down to Game Exchange and check out Iron Maiden. Sometimes the stars align.

I think the front end of the model 3 looks great.

However, it’s a mass grave for bugs in the summertime.

The only reason Ford can talk shit right now is because they don't have a luxury car. Not so much when the pickup comes out.

On my way back to work from lunch yesterday there was a huge backup. It's the city, it's not really uncommon, waited it out. It was nice being in the 3, we could see on the map exactly how backed up the street was.

As we near the flashing lights and pass the incident, it was just 1 car, a DeLorean, with both doors open broken down in the middle of the road.

No real point here, just found the timing funny.

If your used Tesla doesn’t have auto pilot 2.0+ hardware I would take the 3 all day.

All the used Tesla’s I could get for the same price as the 3 six months ago all had auto pilot 1.0 hardware or no auto pilot at all.

You REALLY want AP 2.0+

I love my 3 so much, it's been 6 months and I still love it. I love it too much probobably. But I'd trade it for a P100D S in a heartbeat As long as it was AP 2.0+ and similar miles and condition.

It's going to be hard for them. Tesla did it without having to worry about competing with Tesla, they aren't so lucky. They are going to have to be a lot better than Tesla, and Tesla is really damn good. Only being a little better isn't going to convince many people as the Tesla brand is strong.

I've had my Model 3 about 7 months now, and the honeymoon period hasn't ended yet. Tesla nailed so many things, it just never gets old. I'm very much looking forward to some improvements in self driving next year. Mainly, I can't wait for the day when I don't have to pay attention. I don't mind being there in case the car says I need to take control back, but I just want to pitch my seat back, close my eyes and listen to some music.

Driving is so much less awful in a Model 3....

Full disclosure, I stopped reading this thread a long time ago. The arguments aren't interesting to me.

I've had my Model 3 for 13 months, a little over 11,000 miles. I LOVE this car. I love this car so much. Of course, the car isn't perfect, but the benefits far out way the very minor issues. This car is so fun to drive, the tech is amazing, reliability and total cost of ownership has been phenomenal, HVAC is awesome, stereo is awesome, live traffic is phenomenal..... Auto pilot, auto everything.

Since owning the car Tesla has increased the power, added a dashcam, improved summon drastically and so many other things. No other company is doing that.

By far, my favorite feature is the accelerator pedal. I love driving this thing, I keep wondering when the honeymoon period will end and it just won't.

Here is your dealbreaker. Today they are about the same. Later this year with enhanced summon you are going to start seeing a gap between AP1 and AP2 getting wider and wider.

I'm pretty sure Tesla sales are the least reliable people on earth. AP1 development is done, there will be no further features. AP2 will be significantly better, in every way, AP1 will never make it to full self driving.

Now, when these features are coming is an entirely different matter. I am guessing that the gap between AP1 and AP2 will start to widen inside of 12 months. Who knows though.

Maybe for the functions you specifically listed, there are just so many others that don't require full self driving that are crippled or non existent on AP1

Sooner or later it has to be deemed safe enough for the public. FSD has hardly been rushed, it’s years late. What makes you think it’s dangerous?

Autopilot is significantly safer than a human. I trust computer drivers much more than every other car that’s on their damn cell phone.

It’ll be okay man.

Nobody trusts it, that’s why you are supposed to pay attention at all times.

Some people will say that people don’t pay attention like they are supposed to, but that’s true anyway with or without autopilot.