Quoted from pinballrockstar:Ha! That's funny
Okay what color did you paint your Tesla?
Or did you have it wrapped?
Show us what you got!
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/who-is-in-on-tesla-model-3#post-3667485
Sweet ride.
Btw. I wish we could have the poll by country and state. I remember a couple years ago, the most seen cars on Los Angeles streets has been a Prius. Nowadays it is Tesla, i3, and believe it or not Fiat 500e.
Though Teslas are probably the largest number, pretty insane. Can't drive to work without seeing at least 2 dozen if not more.
@pinballrockstar....you should get it in minion yellow . Sorry could not resist. Love your guys' project. Sorry for the derail.
I am in on the flat matte dark grey one, if it turns out to be an option (the one on the left at the first presentation).
Ah you posted it already,totally didn't connect the dots there Pezpunk.
Very very sweet ride,it is a pity Tesla has such a slim color palette.
Part of the vision i guess..
I am buying a black one with silver alloy wheels.
Quoted from StrangeSubset1:pinballrockstar....you should get it in minion yellow . Sorry could not resist. Love your guys' project. Sorry for the derail.
I am in on the flat matte dark grey one, if it turns out to be an option (the one on the left at the first presentation).
Noooo dude i hate yellow cars !!!!
I like their red and blue because they are dark. I like the darker shades...
Quoted from pezpunk:Not really a fan of any of Tesla's colors.
Quoted from jalpert:I like their red and blue because they are dark. I like the darker shades...
Stay away from the dark side!
Most Teslas I see in Florida are black. To me that makes no sense. It's blistering hot and sunny 9 months a year down here. A white car with tinted windows all the way around would save a lot of energy for air conditioning.
Quoted from pinballrockstar:I am buying a black one with silver alloy wheels.
My wife and I are weighing in on colors ... current thought is white with either graphite or black wheels.
Something like this...
Quoted from pinster68:My wife and I are weighing in on colors ... current thought is white with either graphite or black wheels.
Something like this...
Absolutely a nice choice,been at the airport in norway last year and practically every taxi was a white model S.
White Tesla all over the place!
The car looks great in white but i hate washing my car daily
Quoted from John_I:Most Teslas I see in Florida are black. To me that makes no sense. It's blistering hot and sunny 9 months a year down here. A white car with tinted windows all the way around would save a lot of energy for air conditioning.
Ha! Been to Florida 3 years back,i walked out the airport and i dropped my jaw and suitcases....could not believe how hot and humid it was?!
Absolutely brutal over there..
Strange thing though,i came home without a tan? while it was f@cking crazy hot the whole vacation.
I nearly passed out in Disneyland and Gatorland because i forgot to drink water,everything went blur all a sudden.
Man i was happy to go to clearwater,FL beach,we stepped out of the chrysler ac rental capsule and figured we would all die if we stayed next to the vehicle,god it is a miracle your iphone doesn't melt in your hands..
Since it didn't , we took a nice picture with it and stepped back into the car and left for an ac roadtrip
So yeah...i'd go for the white Tesla in Florida or Texas
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/8f65f54a-26a7-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16
Electricity is getting cleaner
Quoted from pinster68:Alright PBRockstar, you encouraged me to schedule a test drive. It's about time I actually experience driving one. I also made a huge investment in the stock, so I best be sure these things aren't crap.
Hahaha i am considering stock too, $305 a share at the moment right?
If the model 3 delivers,we can make a few bucks on Tesla ánd spend some at Tesla!
You are in for a treat , it's 700 kg battery is located in the floor so it handles great.
I believe it is called low center gravity.
The car just feels right,you get used to the one pedal driving in the first mile and off you go.
I have a sceptic nature but hey.... everything just felt right?
0% complaints,100% awesome.
Quoted from luch:just curious , how does the one pedal work ? no brake pedal , just "gas " pedal ?
looked it up online , now I understand
Seems like 59% do not really care about it. While 36% will be influenced to buy. Not great percentage for Tesla or the environmental movement.
Quoted from cantbfrank:Seems like 59% do not really care about it. While 36% will be influenced to buy. Not great percentage for Tesla or the environmental movement.
Are you joking? 39% would be a phenomenal market share. Also keep in mind Pinside skews towards grumpy obsolete old farts. I'm sure the numbers would be higher if young people and women were included.
Quoted from pezpunk:Are you joking? 39% would be a phenomenal market share. Also keep in mind Pinside skews towards grumpy obsolete old farts. I'm sure the numbers would be higher if young people and women were included.
Yeah, tell me any other car manufacturer who would get a 39%. This is crazy good.
Not enough luxury/build quality (or charging stations) for me yet. I'll eke it out with Mercs for a few more years, while awaiting an electric S Class. And you could buy an S Class with Tesla money currently..
Quoted from Pinballs:Not enough luxury/build quality (or charging stations) for me yet. I'll eke it out with Mercs for a few more years, while awaiting an electric S Class. And you could buy an S Class with Tesla money currently..
Haven't seen a new S class for $70k
Quoted from pezpunk:Are you joking? 39% would be a phenomenal market share. Also keep in mind Pinside skews towards grumpy obsolete old farts. I'm sure the numbers would be higher if young people and women were included.
Yup,awesome numbers from an environment like this.
Quoted from pinballrockstar:Hahaha i am considering stock too, $305 a share at the moment right?
Quoted from StrangeSubset1:Haven't seen a new S class for $70k
Have not seen a Telsa here in Milford. But there a "Gallery" in Troy.
****The Tesla Gallery at Nordstrom Somerset Collection****
It is NOT a service center or dealership...so where does one go to get it fixed?
I read that the Tesla business model is to buy you car online or at a "gallery" like Nordstrom.
Does the car get delivered by the Big Brown truck?
Then just slap a label on it and send it back to the factory for service?
Note: The Somerset Collection is a MALL that has stores like Needless Markup.
Only a very small percentage of repairs need to happen at a service center. Tesla will send a tech to do your repair on site. Tesla has also sent out a tow truck with a loaner to drop off and pick up your car if the service center is far away.
Quoted from bob_e:It is NOT a service center or dealership...so where does one go to get it fixed?
Truck yes, brown probably not. I guess it's possible
Quoted from bob_e:Does the car get delivered by the Big Brown truck?
Michigan is a special case because cowardly protectionist internal combustion dealerships have bribed their politicians into making Tesla dealerships illegal there. It's shameful the lengths they'll go to in order to impede progress and stifle competition.
The Tesla dealership near me is also a service center. I haven't had to take mine in yet, but I hear there can be long wait times for service. No first hand experience with that, though.
The buying process couldn't have been smoother. There's no stupid haggling - if you decide you want one after a test drive, then you go to the website and build and order it online. The salesman will sit there and do it with you if you want someone to answer questions, but you can do it from home too. My car took about a month from order to delivery. (You can also buy one off their lot usually).
while your car is being built, they work out financing and other details online. When my car came in, the paperwork took maybe 5 minutes. a delivery specialist gave me a detailed walkthrough of all the features, they gave me a bag of swag, and I was out of there in maybe 20 minutes total.
Quoted from cantbfrank:Seems like 59% do not really care about it. While 36% will be influenced to buy. Not great percentage for Tesla or the environmental movement.
Maybe that 59% don't care because of the trunk design that won't allow transportation of a pinball machine.
Quoted from pinster68:About, yes. I'm holding off buying more right now. I got in at about $180 maybe a year and a half ago, then added more about a year ago when it briefly tanked (I think I was in line for my Model3 resveration when I was submitting my orders), then added more in December before it took off again. High risk, but I'm confident the long term will pay off. Tesla has a big future.
Tesla is a house of cards with debt and negative cash flow piled so high... the first wind that comes along will blow this house down. I just listed my P85D on cargurus. I'm getting out while I still can. Other manufacturers like Jaguar and GM will provide the same or better range without the risk of losing the investment in your car when the stock collapses. If Tesla trades down to the teens... if it is at risk of default and bankruptcy, what do you think your used car will be worth? The answer is squat.
A poll like this one is completely unscientific. The only people who will even look at this thread are people who are interested in Tesla for one reason or another. The other 90% of pinside (who would all be "no" voters) won't ever crack into this thread let alone vote.
Personally I will not be buying a Model 3, I'm not an environmentalist wacko and I'm not a Tesla investor. The reason I opened this thread is because I've been traveling to the SpaceX factory in Hawthorne for work a few weeks a year since 2010. Back then we could walk out the back of the SpaceX factory and right into the Tesla facility and poke around. Slowly but surely they started putting up fences and gates separating the facilities and we could no longer poke around. Even still there are always tons of Teslas around when you go to the SpaceX factory.
Quoted from Davidus56:Tesla is a house of cards with debt and negative cash flow piled so high... the first wind that comes along will blow this house down. I just listed my P85D on cargurus. I'm getting out while I still can. Other manufacturers like Jaguar and GM will provide the same or better range without the risk of losing the investment in your car when the stock collapses. If Tesla trades down to the teens... if it is at risk of default and bankruptcy, what do you think your used car will be worth? The answer is squat.
Quoted from Davidus56:Forget the Tesla. The Lucid is the EV to buy.
ok, it's one thing to be like "Tesla is a risky proposition, and they burn through a lot of cash". it is, and they do. relatively speaking. but then you turn around and advocate for Lucid? that's like saying "JJP is new and unproven and financially unstable ... my money is on Skit-B."
Tesla has delivered over 200,000 actual vehicles (and owners report a higher level of satisfaction with their car than any other automobile). they've built billions of dollars worth of infrastructure / gigafactories / charging networks and so on. they're delivering tens of thousands of vehicles per month. Lucid has a single prototype that is still years from production, a site upon which they say there will one day be a factory, and billions of dollars of debt. Musk has shown he has zero trouble raising capital any time his company needs it - and it takes a TON to create a successful car company. we'll see if Lucid's investors have the same stamina. i hope they do. more electric cars is a win for everyone. but at this point Lucid is objectively the riskier bet between the two.
Quoted from Davidus56:If Tesla trades down to the teens...
Hahaha...come on man,say something positive,you have p85d!
That is awesome right there?
Screw the money
Quoted from Davidus56:Tesla is a house of cards with debt and negative cash flow piled so high... the first wind that comes along will blow this house down. I just listed my P85D on cargurus. I'm getting out while I still can. Other manufacturers like Jaguar and GM will provide the same or better range without the risk of losing the investment in your car when the stock collapses. If Tesla trades down to the teens... if it is at risk of default and bankruptcy, what do you think your used car will be worth? The answer is squat.
Time will tell. I'm patient. Let's check back in a couple of years from now and show our hands.
Investors believe in Tesla.
Enough to drive Tesla's value above Ford.
It even at one point surpassed GM.
Time will tell.
Quoted from Nilroc:Investors believe in Tesla.
Enough to drive Tesla's value above Ford.
It even at one point surpassed GM.
Time will tell.
Here's the thing that I think that the news is missing with Tesla and it's valuation...
Tesla isn't a car company.
I mean, it is, but it is also an energy company and a energy storage company. If the Model 3 is a giant disaster for some reason - and I don't think that it will be - I think if investors remember they are everything else, they could weather that storm just fine. Tesla figuring out how to mount solar panels flush to existing roofs? That's a big win. Solar shingles? Another big win. The PowerWall being able to back up your house for a couple days at a time to make it possible to move completely off grid? Another big win.
They happen to also be a car company.
I feel like calling the people comparing their valuation to that of Ford and GM don't think about the rest of the picture. Tesla is more like if Ford owned Exxon together, but with the ability for each auto owner to drill for oil when they needed it once they get an initial set up.
If the Model 3 hits, the car company part of Tesla I think should be valued much higher... but the rest of what they did should be valued higher already because of how they can control the entire pipeline for someone. If that's the case, the valuation for Tesla has TONS of space to grow.
Quoted from Nilroc:Supercharger Apocalypse
» YouTube video
Same goes for the Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Yes they are still in the Prototype stage and very few refueling stations around. I saw a report on Top Gear about this. They seemed to like the car but noted that the infrastructure was not there yet to support these cars.
In Ann Arbor Michigan one of the charging stations, not a supercharger, was at a Sheridan hotel .
Charging: 3 Tesla Connectors, up to 16kW. Available for patrons only. Please see front desk.
***This does not help the average tesla owner.***
It will take time and $ to put chargers everywhere.
Hmmm maybe Speedway, Exxon, Mobil, Shell, will install superchargers.
Yes, I am old enough to remember the "gas shortages" in the 70's
Quoted from bob_e:Charging: 3 Tesla Connectors, up to 16kW. Available for patrons only. Please see front desk.
***This does not help the average tesla owner.***
It will take time and $ to put chargers everywhere.
I think the SuperCharger thing will work itself out to do what Tesla had planned with them, and be there basically just for long distance.
The SuperCharger thing will be a problem only for those who don't have a place they can charge at regularly. I think I mentioned this before, but our family is seriously considering a used Leaf. It has a range of only about 100 miles, but we recently realized that the most anyone in our family goes on an average day is 40-50 miles, still more than enough for the car even if it's battery life goes down.
With that, we don't need to charge it other than plugging it in at home at night.
I think that the average Model 3 user will find the same thing - why spend 30 minutes supercharging when you can just plug in at night at home? And once the car starts catching on, businesses like hotels will realize that a charging port will help get them patrons, and they'll start putting them in. Apartments that have parking will realize that a portion of people will need charging to be able to consider moving in, and will start to build them. Those apartments that put them in will gain in visitors.
Parking spaces will realize they can charge a premium for the chargers and add them. The same story will happen again and again.
At the same time, I expect that adoption will start happening very quickly once people know someone who actually has an EV. The more that I've read about them, the more that the concerns that people have about them just haven't come true. Once that happens more and more, and people start being able to get electricity where ever they go, I think the market is going to very quickly shift.
Quoted from bob_e:Same goes for the Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Yes they are still in the Prototype stage and very few refueling stations around. I saw a report on Top Gear about this. They seemed to like the car but noted that the infrastructure was not there yet to support these cars.
In Ann Arbor Michigan one of the charging stations, not a supercharger, was at a Sheridan hotel .
Charging: 3 Tesla Connectors, up to 16kW. Available for patrons only. Please see front desk.
***This does not help the average tesla owner.***
It will take time and $ to put chargers everywhere.
Hmmm maybe Speedway, Exxon, Mobil, Shell, will install superchargers.
Yes, I am old enough to remember the "gas shortages" in the 70's
haven't had to charge my car publicly yet and i've owned it for 7 months. that is the difference ICE drivers don't grasp yet. every day it's a full charge. the trip to the gas station once or twice a week isn't replaced with a trip to a charging station -- it's just gone. charging at a supercharger only happens when you're on a long trip.
Quoted from pezpunk:haven't had to charge my car publicly yet and i've owned it for 7 months. that is the difference ICE drivers don't grasp yet. every day it's a full charge. the trip to the gas station once or twice a week isn't replaced with a trip to a charging station -- it's just gone. charging at a supercharger only happens when you're on a long trip.
1000% agreed. I have a 60mile commute every day, but my work place has EV chargers (for free ). So there is no need to publicly charge.
Quoted from pezpunk:every day it's a full charge. the trip to the gas station once or twice a week isn't replaced with a trip to a charging station -- it's just gone.
I'm in for this very reason. I'm going on 20 years at work at a place that is 12-15 minutes from home by car. Posted road speeds never exceed 70 kph/50 mph. My commute is not the most inefficient for combustion engines. The engine reaches optimal operating temperature about half way to work... so I run rich for a lot of my driving during colder weather. On the coldest winter days, I have to run my car for a bit just to warm the interior before I drive off (EVs have instant heating).
This kind of car is exactly what I need for getting me to and from work every day, not to mention going shopping, or dropping the kids off here and there.
Oh, of course, I will keep my Honda Odyssey for the longer drives with the family, and pinhauling . But as a second car, this will fit the bill without sacrificing the performance (i.e. acceleration) I enjoy with my current car. I won't miss the oil changes either.
I watched the movie "the founder" which is about ray kroc
*spoiler warning*
He was making 1.5% off of 15 cent hamburgers, and barely breaking even. It wasn't until a consultant told him he shouldn't be in the burger business, but rather the real estate business. By buying up land, and then leasing that land to owners, it gave him a constant revenue stream (and control).
By Elon creating an infrastructure of charging stations, he controls the "electric charging station" model. You drive a chevy bolt, or a Nissan leaf.. I bet you're paying to charge up your vehicle at those stations, and also willing to bet Tesla corp gets a cut of all electricity sold. Think about how many gas stations there are in america. Now imagine if he starts to sell solar tiles to gas stations at cost. He sells more tiles, lowering his cost by increasing volume. He takes a bigger cut on the electricity now that the station is partially self supporting.
Elon really is smart by strategizing everything to work together to boost volumes. Make an electric car, then make a factory that can build cheaper batteries (slightly larger version of the 18650 to maximum cost efficiency), then make household battery backup systems, then make solar tiles. He's working on making electric semi trucks ny 2018 (which will be lower cost because of lower maintenance, cheaper refueling), and someday self driving (no more paying drivers, lower risk means lower insurance premiums).
http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/13/15292102/tesla-elon-musk-semi-tractor-trailer-truck-september
Quoted from superJackpot:I'm in for this very reason. I'm going on 20 years at work at a place that is 12-15 minutes from home by car. Posted road speeds never exceed 70 kph/50 mph. My commute is not the most inefficient for combustion engines. The engine reaches optimal operating temperature about half way to work... so I run rich for a lot of my driving during colder weather. On the coldest winter days, I have to run my car for a bit just to warm the interior before I drive off (EVs have instant heating).
This kind of car is exactly what I need for getting me to and from work every day, not to mention going shopping, or dropping the kids off here and there.
Oh, of course, I will keep my Honda Odyssey for the longer drives with the family, and pinhauling . But as a second car, this will fit the bill without sacrificing the performance (i.e. acceleration) I enjoy with my current car. I won't miss the oil changes either.
Ha!
Another reason to buy a Tesla?!
Instant heat to defrost your car!?
And indeed your gas car always runs really rich the first miles.
I commute to my business for about 15 miles which is indeed inefficient?
In the winter i start my car 15 minutes earlier to get the ice block off.
Never thought about that?
on cold days, first thing i do when i get up is use the Tesla phone app to turn on the car so that it's warming up and defrosting while i'm in the shower. (also, if it's hot and we're say at an amusement park or the pool or something, i can use the phone app as we're deciding to leave, so that by the time we get to the car it's already nice and cool inside.)
as for the stock price -- i'm bullish on Tesla as a company, but it's already valued as if it were selling a million cars a year. even if you think (like i do) that they will reach that goal soon, the upside is limited, since that success is already kind of built into its current price. but of course that's only if you are looking at it from the perspective of a car company. if you think of it as an emerging tech giant, or an energy company, you can frame the stock price quite differently.
Tesla X-p90d for sale $119,995.00
base price was $80,000 the add $70,000 in options holy crap.
http://www.dmautosales.com/2016-tesla-model-x-p90d-c-1421.htm
Tesla is a pure momentum stock. There is no financial justification for its stock price. It is essentially bankrupt, but remains at lofty prices because of the hyperbole of its charismatic leader. Stocks like Tesla eventually track back to reality. When that happens it will be very painful for longs. The question for shorts is timing. If you short too soon, you will be bloodied just as much as the longs are when Tesla eventually falls off the cliff. I like EVs, but I'm not married to Tesla. After I sell mine, I will get something else. Perhaps a Jaguar or Bolt. I'm actually kind of embarrassed that I drive one as I see Tesla car and stock owners as a bunch of clueless snowflakes.
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