in the past 2 years MANY people have gotten over the BS status quo opinions and realized Gottlieb made some of the best games out there. Sure, they cheaped out on cabinet quality, but they made up for it in great engineering, design, unique layouts, $$$$ invested into audio, and shear volume of cool titles.

they used particle or compressed board or whatever you call it, it some games (not sure of the actual date/split). They are heavy and solid but susceptible to moisture causing swelling.

I think you guys missed it that this thread was asking for people that liked them... lol

Gottlieb invested in sound quality and it shows. It was also part of the reason they failed... you cant hear pins on location in a loud arcade so it was a silly investment for the BOM. The quality of audio quality and uniqueness in gottliebs is better for every era acrossed the board.

Agreed stargate is a favorite game. The sounds, art, shot layout, and innovation is top notch. It also obviously helped set the foundation for DEEP code!

Happens all the time. Commonly the most played games at shows ime.

What flipper mod?

you wont!

That is not a mod! That is a flat out hack and he thinks he is smarter than the designers. Laughable and insulting to some of the best designers in the trade.

Do whatever you want to bastardize your games, but pretty silly for him to sell that as a mod. Most likely scenario was he did not have a GTB rebuild on hand one day so decided to use sys11 stops and then sold it as an 'improvement'.

GTB games have the extra flipper travel for a reason. For many it is because they have awesome long tight shots up steep ramps which require the full flipper travel to move the ball. Others it was because if you could post pass then the game would be too easy and too controlled. A properly set up GTB with correct flippers is plenty difficult.

For any new person reading all this, PLEASE dont ruin an awesome gottlieb by hacking it with the wrong flipper parts.

Clay knows lots of great stuff and even though he is the pinball ninja, he sometimes does flat out hacks like this. Luckily, this can be easily corrected to be stock.

i lol'd

You need to come play my stargate again so I can teach you how to play it. One of the best games out there once you figure out the strategy.

feel free to hack your own machine however you want in order to enjoy it. I just dont want people thinking that is a widely accepted 'mod' It is a hack, but if it works for you then all good.

with over 100 posts in short order and this thread on fire on a Friday morning... pretty obvious to me there are more Gottlieb lovers now than just a short time ago.

Cool to see people are cathcing on and glad I picked up my hard core keepers a few years back.

https://pinside.com/pinball/archive?query=&machine_generation=17#results

90s GTB sys 3 games that are super fun and worth putting in a collection with pride IMO

Stargate
Rescue 911
TOff
Gladiators
Wipe Out
CBW
OT
1812
Vegas
CCruise

still a few that I have not listed as I dont have enough time on them to decide.

bye felicia.

Pretty sure you are the only one getting your panties in a knot. It is a hack. A reversible hack, but a hack none the less. When you change the play of a game dramatically from how the designer intended then you have hacked the game. Changing flipper travel falls into that catergory for me and many others that respect the intent of the original designer.

If it was an actual flaw of the design then I would say you could call it a mod (for example over powering the coils on LOTR because they overheat during long games is a mod as it was a flaw of the oringal game you made better).

Since you have me on ignore now, I am just typing this for the clarification and understanding of other new people lurking so they dont bastardize their GTB 80b or premier decks cause they cant handle a new flipper style.

by far some fo the best, most innovative, and prolific designers of all time!

Could just make it the 'Gottlieb only fan club'. Pretty sure that si how pinside works. Make a club specific thread and the trolls get the boot quickly. Sad that yet again the same 3 or 4 guys dump on some great games again/everytime to try and control the conversation.

I dont put many gottliebs out as they are way too valuable to me to get beat on route.

The ones I have put out have done EXCEPTIONALLY well. Tee'd Off in particular beat most of what you woudl call classic B/W games for 6 months straight. It only left as it was a gift for my brother. It only went on route so I could get any bug worked out before it went to him. Worth note that it had ZERO issues the entier 6 months it was on route, which also helped with earnings. It is also one of the most requested games to return form the regulars.

CBW also did exceptionally well. ONly had that one out for a few months but it brought in about 70% of what TAF did for all 3 months it was out. Keep in mind CBW only cost 1500 compared to TAF at 5500. I know which one was the clear winner in that finacial debate, lol.

On route I found that many people came it with preconcieved internet notions on "oh what a crappy game" Then 2 months go by and I catch them playing that crappy Teed Off or even looking to buy one for themself once it left route. Funny how in real life the cash box never lies and just watching what people play is very telling. People warm up to GTBs and then fall in love.

You rarely see them and players gravitate to them once they play a good one and learn how they are so well build and engineered. Stable beasts and are super fun and often very quique and challenging.

Glad to see you comin around!

Of course, but it is more fun from the way i posted the double sarcasm to change his. Lol

glad to see some people got bored and this thread is trending how it should!

Nice. Never played abounty hunter. Looks fun

mods, if we move this to a club section does that allow the ban hammer to come out for the trolls?

I am enjoying the discussion on games I enjoy and get tired of the troll posts. Try to just ignore them but they seem to be insatiable lately.

it is EPICly amazing! My favorite of the 1 player cocktails! I owned a Caribbean Cruise also, but NM is way better. Good game play and more great tunes!

in that case, I will take the one on the right...

Off the top of my head so may be wrong.

Open coin door. Turn on game, then pull out interlock switch. Inside coin door in a toggle switch. Move it one way and you will see the ability to change into free play setting.

you shoudl be able to select tounament mode "no" and free play "yes"

pretty sure that is a foriegn coin mech. I think they still use those in UK?

Stargate is a grade A game! If you had weak flippers on a freddy, it was just that they needed a rebuild. These GTB games have super strong flippers. Granted they have 15degrees further travel than you may be used to on a B/W game but that doe not weaken them. weak = dirty and in need of rebuild.

More flipper travel on a GTB = AWESOME!! It means more backhandable shots, more power stroke range for shots, and a slightly differnet play style required. All big positives. Properly rebuilt GTB flippers are actually stronger than other games based on the geometry.