Wow. Speaking of flow, sounds like it's your week.

Jesus, Gabe. You've played a pro, right? So just come to my house Christmas week or whatever if you're on your way to JJP to help them spell your name for the Hobbit credits, and I'll let you play the LE. I'll even provide the beer.

Pintastic New England, everybody! Best show in Massachusetts. Or, like, New England. Whatever.

Everybody keeps talking about the flow on the pro. Of course there's flow. There's nothing to stop the ball.

I didn't realize anybody actually copped to owning a Shaq Attack.

You're right. I'm butthurt I don't have a Shaq Attack.

(Sounds like you are, too.)

...is what people who don't want to pay extra for the real game keep telling themselves.

Fixing a game up with your son is wonderful...I never said it wasn't so don't put words in my mouth. Shaq is NOT a wonderful game, that's all. And it's not about money. You could have fixed up a high speed or something and had a much better game for the money.

And I stand by my statement about pros not being as good as premiums. Why anybody would want to play a game without all its features, and not the way the designer intended, is beyond me. To each his own.

Me?

Oh. Phew! Because I actually like you!

Two wrongs don't make a right, and these were both stupid statements, so let me clarify. While musketd (a great guy, by all accounts) is entitled to his opinion (which is what this was), it was also a blanket statement...which are almost always wrong.

Case in point: If somebody offered you an ACDC pro or premium for the same price or free, which one are you taking? I think most people would take the premium, and I think you could play the same game with MET. (And I'm not factoring in profiteering in the decision-making...let's assume people are keeping it.)

Those are just two examples where I think the Prem/LE outshines the Pro. As for GOT, we'll have to see once the LEs are in peoples' homes.

So, my apologies to musketd and others for the snarky comment, but that's where I was coming from.

That's what Steve Ritchie said, actually. He starts with his full design, then strips it down for the pro to meet the BOM number.

I assume nothing.

What I see with GOT Prem/LE is the best of both worlds. The Pro is a flow game. That's wonderful if that's what you're into. You lose nothing on the right side with the Premium. The left is more stop & go, so you have a great combination of both. And you used the two games I have in a special room--because they're my favorite--to make your point, you crafty bastard.

What are you so angry about? I checked your collection. You can afford to be in this thread. Welcome!

And really, let's be honest...when you see my name in a thread, your expectations can't get much lower.

Yes. My house. And you're always welcome!

Well f**k off, then.

Well, by most people's definition. There's the orbit shot under the mini pf, and by all accounts, the ball shoots up to the mini pf and returns pretty quickly to the flippers if you don't do anything with it. Everybody here is calling it stop and go. My point is that the left side might be more stop and go than just putting another ramp there. I like variety in my games, not just two ramp shots, a kickback, and a bash toy.

It has the flowing lock ramp. How many flowing ramps do you need? (Plus the ball moves pretty swiftly through the castle playfield if you decide not to play it.)

I need to start buying more stuff from Cointaker...