White Water
Williams, 1993Quoted from mbeardsley:Don't know about the locking, but for the subway I shaved off a bit on the left side, just enough to make the opening a bit larger. It took a couple of tries, but it wasn't hard. Best thing to do is with the playfield lowered into position, look through the coin door with a flashlight to see exactly where the ball is stuck.
Yeah alnost seems like it gets stuck where I can't see it , like way left ? Definitely not all the time .
Hey mbeardsley how did you light under your mountains? It looks good.
I am not a huge fan of the strip lighting as I think it stands out versus the regular GI lighting. But your photo makes your setup look pretty natural. Wondering how you did it.
Ok I have the
Quoted from mbeardsley:Don't know about the locking, but for the subway I shaved off a bit on the left side, just enough to make the opening a bit larger. It took a couple of tries, but it wasn't hard. Best thing to do is with the playfield lowered into position, look through the coin door with a flashlight to see exactly where the ball is stuck.
Figured it out the armature for the lost mine kickout and multiball kickout we're installed reversed ! They are different lengths, think it's fixed now but only put one game on it .
Quoted from Elicash:Hey mbeardsley how did you light under your mountains? It looks good.
I am not a huge fan of the strip lighting as I think it stands out versus the regular GI lighting. But your photo makes your setup look pretty natural. Wondering how you did it.
Sorry for the late reply, I've been out of town all week and haven't been on Pinside.
I do have a strip light behind the mountains and it was WAY too bright. So what I did was cover up about 2/3rds of the LEDs on the strip with black electrical tape. This toned it down enough that it looks similar to the lighting for the boulders on the pop bumpers.
I also have a small strip in the trough area that I did the same thing to (though I may go back in and cover up a couple more LEDs on that one, as it's still a little too bright there).
ok embarrassing question. Where is the ball save setting on Wh20? went through them all but must not be looking at correct wording.
Quoted from billsfanmd:ok embarrassing question. Where is the ball save setting on Wh20? went through them all but must not be looking at correct wording.
As far as I know there is no ball save feature on older roms. I upgraded to the LH-6 rom which does have this feature, but that rom is free play only.
Quoted from SFBP36:As far as I know there is no ball save feature on older roms. I upgraded to the LH-6 rom which does have this feature, but that rom is free play only.
This. The only time a ball will be saved is if nothing is hot to get points before a drain.
Does anyone have a new playfield main and upper that they are not going to use? Just checking in before i roll the dice on a mirco. Pm me if you do.
I think there is one on Kijiji Ontario
Quoted from Swoods5688:Does anyone have a new playfield main and upper that they are not going to use? Just checking in before i roll the dice on a mirco. Pm me if you do.
Brian Allen art blades, skull mountain, missing mountain, and some Comet LED’s all showed up this week. Still need to tweak the lighting a bit, but I think she’s pretty much dialed in. The camera on my phone makes the blues look really, uh…blue.
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Nice! May I ask WHERE the missing mountain showed up from??
Quoted from TheOnlyest:Nice! May I ask WHERE the missing mountain showed up from??
https://www.pinballshop.nl/playfield-parts/toys-and-figures/white-water-waterfall-mountain/
Super fast shipping too. Arrived to my house in CA 4 or 5 days after I ordered it.
Quoted from Swoods5688:Does anyone have a new playfield main and upper that they are not going to use? Just checking in before i roll the dice on a mirco. Pm me if you do.
If you go the Mirco route, the playfield will need wet sanded and re-cleared to help prevent the delaminating and bubbling. The Mirco playfield, being new and very flat, makes it much easier to wet sand and clearcoat.
Quoted from SFBP36:https://www.pinballshop.nl/playfield-parts/toys-and-figures/white-water-waterfall-mountain/
Super fast shipping too. Arrived to my house in CA 4 or 5 days after I ordered it.
Thanks for the tip! 
Quoted from SFBP36:As far as I know there is no ball save feature on older roms. I upgraded to the LH-6 rom which does have this feature, but that rom is free play only.
There is a coin option for LH-6. I have to check what it's called. I have my WH20 on route with the newest "L6" ROM version.
Quoted from DK:There is a coin option for LH-6. I have to check what it's called. I have my WH20 on route with the newest "L6" ROM version.
Ch6
Quoted from SFBP36:Brian Allen art blades, skull mountain, missing mountain, and some Comet LED’s all showed up this week. Still need to tweak the lighting a bit, but I think she’s pretty much dialed in. The camera on my phone makes the blues look really, uh…blue.
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Where did you order the trees from? Look great
Quoted from ulmpharmd:Where did you order the trees from? Look great
Thanks! I got them at a local model railroading hobby shop.
Quoted from ulmpharmd:Where did you order the trees from? Look great
I agree they look great but I'm afraid they will release "dust and crap" when hit or just from vibrations in the game. Don't want to vacuum the game every day.
Quoted from ulmpharmd:Where did you order the trees from? Look great
To use a Gomez Addams quote from TAF...."NO NO NO!"
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:To use a Gomez Addams quote from TAF...."NO NO NO!"
LOL. That's what went thru my mind too!
Quoted from Lhyrgoif:I agree they look great but I'm afraid they will release "dust and crap" when hit or just from vibrations in the game. Don't want to vacuum the game every day.
You shoot them with a matte clear coat. An adhesive spray would work better, but you have to find one that doesn't foam up, the Gorilla Glue spray foams up too much.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:To use a Gomez Addams quote from TAF...."NO NO NO!"
Lol to each their own I guess. I think they give the game some good depth visually.
Quoted from Flipper_McGavin:You shoot them with a matte clear coat. An adhesive spray would work better, but you have to find one that doesn't foam up, the Gorilla Glue spray foams up too much.
Yeah I sprayed them with a few coats of clear and they don’t make a mess.
Quoted from PjM:Where does no skull mountain come from?
Ebay 7 years ago.
How about this - ebay.com link: itm
LTG : )
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:To use a Gomez Addams quote from TAF...."NO NO NO!"
Lol…. Ok Bryan…I’ll add skittles colored leds instead… I know you prefer that
Pinball Center has the missing mountain available; https://www.pinball.center/en/shop/pinball-parts-by-game/white-water/7464/waterfall-mountain-for-white-water
Quoted from razoraustralia:Pinball Center has the missing mountain available; https://www.pinball.center/en/shop/pinball-parts-by-game/white-water/7464/waterfall-mountain-for-white-water
The mountain is ok, but I had to do some touchups on the shadows with a darker brown.
2022-03-05 12.01.16 (resized).jpgQuoted from mbeardsley:Yes, I also appreciate Larry's hard work (and investment) in producing these ramps. The quality is excellent, and I have no doubt that these ramps will hold up far better than the original ones.
I fully expected to have to fiddle with them. In my experience, all but the simplest part needs adjustment.
However, this did take more effort than I expected. I'm not complaining, I just want to let future people have realistic expectations.
Grinding edges and corners I sort of expected - I didn't expect to need to heat-shape the Bigfoot ramp. It came out great, and I'm really happy with it, but I fear that with a little less luck I could have easily ruined the ramp.
Also for future reference, my machine has Feb 1993 stamped on the playfield, maybe that means it was one of the harder ones to fit.
Anyway, I have the machine all back together now. It may still need a few minor adjustments, but it seems to be working well.
Work done this time (for its 25th anniversary of its purchase):
All new ramps (obviously),
new Bigfoot motor and driver board,
rebuilt flippers,
rebuilt pop bumpers,
switched to LEDs with (GI-OCD board),
replaced all posts and rubber (Titan),
new mountains,
several other new plastics,
complete cleaning.
It looks so much better, and it plays very very fast now.
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What LED Strip works best under back boulders? I like this look.
Quoted from billsfanmd:What LED Strip works best under back boulders? I like this look.
I'm not sure that it really matters, but the one that I am using came from PinballBulbs.com as part of their full LED kit. As it came, it was WAY too bright (almost blinding in that some of the LEDs on the strip would poke through right into your face). So I covered more than half of the LEDs with black electrical tape and that made it a lot more reasonable.
I did the same thing with the strip they provided for the drain trough. Though I still need to cover up a few more LEDs on that strip, as it's still a little too bright there.
I picked up one of the 'missing mountain ' mods some time ago and only now thinking of installing. There doesn't seem to be any mounting points on it ? I haven't set the machine back up yet so it may be obvious when I look but does it just sit in position somehow ? Anyone fitted one and advise.
I used Velcro. I think that is what most people did.
Quoted from Ive:I picked up one of the 'missing mountain ' mods some time ago and only now thinking of installing. There doesn't seem to be any mounting points on it ? I haven't set the machine back up yet so it may be obvious when I look but does it just sit in position somehow ? Anyone fitted one and advise.
this one
https://sites.google.com/site/redwestwh20/
Quoted from Ive:I picked up one of the 'missing mountain ' mods some time ago and only now thinking of installing. There doesn't seem to be any mounting points on it ? I haven't set the machine back up yet so it may be obvious when I look but does it just sit in position somehow ? Anyone fitted one and advise.
this one
https://sites.google.com/site/redwestwh20/
curious if they are still in business. They also had the boulder shooter rod 
Quoted from Ive:I picked up one of the 'missing mountain ' mods some time ago and only now thinking of installing. There doesn't seem to be any mounting points on it ? I haven't set the machine back up yet so it may be obvious when I look but does it just sit in position somehow ? Anyone fitted one and advise.
this one
https://sites.google.com/site/redwestwh20/
I made 2 holes in the mountain that lined up with screws in the ramp underneath.
Then I used threaded spacers between the mountain and the ramp beneath.
That’s a great idea!
Quoted from Zigzagzag:I made 2 holes in the mountain that lined up with screws in the ramp underneath.
Then I used threaded spacers between the mountain and the ramp beneath.
Quoted from Ive:I picked up one of the 'missing mountain ' mods some time ago and only now thinking of installing. There doesn't seem to be any mounting points on it ? I haven't set the machine back up yet so it may be obvious when I look but does it just sit in position somehow ? Anyone fitted one and advise.
this one
https://sites.google.com/site/redwestwh20/
I have this one in my game. I won't be home for a few days but I can take some pics when I get home. I may have posted pics of it in this thread already.
I have:
Quoted from lrosent345:What you need now are new ramps and a set of white mountains.
Or new legs, trim and cabinet 
Playfield look nice.
First time I see posts on top of the exit of the left ramp.
Never had an issue there on my machine..
Tastes are different of course...but I will never understand this "Whiteout" versions some people do, if its white mountains, white rails, lockbars, legs etc.
In my view it is just darn aweful..it hurts my eyes. 
I think it looks great! I would definitely do the white mountains to give it a finished look. I would also search for the bumble mod as well!
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This is what I am talking about! Looks absolutely amazing!
Quoted from lrosent345:What you need now are new ramps and a set of white mountains.
Ramps are all fine
Quoted from aeneas:First time I see posts on top of the exit of the left ramp.
Never had an issue there on my machine..
They're there to protect the ramp so I'll keep them there ramp is in good condition and i want to keep it that way
Quoted from Melly:Ramps are all fine
They dont look broken, but filthy and worn out! You can barely see through them. Nothing beats crystal clear ramps!
There is a refurbed unit at 8-bit Arcade in Renton, WA that has the clearest ramps I've ever seen on a White Water, '93 or since. Gorgeous.
wrt the white trim a few posts above, why are you all so eager to steal from this person who is sharing their joy with us? Maybe you don't like the trim, but at least learn to appreciate the care someone took to customize that cabinet. The craft is there and it will only get better from here.
Protip: your machines will only hold/appreciate in value if new, interested people enter the hobby.
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