Ended the other and started this one to keep the thread on track. It’s a for sale ad, not a debate between HEP and some guy about play field skills.

No color dmd, never been a fan of them. I’ve never put one in one of my machines, if you wanted they are cheap enough and easy to add

Just saying that the machine comes as it is. I’m not changing/ adding anything. Not a shill ad, just getting sick and tired of the grown babies and price police on here when trying to sell something. If you don’t want it, can’t afford it, or otherwise aren’t interested in buying the game, then simply keep your mouth shut and scroll on. But, that seems to be too hard for most people anymore, always have to get their 2 cents in.

Now I’m not trust worthy? You don’t even know me, I’m an honest person through and through. I take great pride in the fact that I don’t BS people on anything and consider it very offensive when someone, especially someone who has no idea who I am, decides to try and call me otherwise. Have to love people who run their mouths on the internet, I’d bet anything you wouldn’t have the stones to call me untrustworthy in person. But in your moms basement, wrapped in your comfort blanket you are a big guy behind the keyboard.

My game may be over priced, but so are 80 percent of the machines on this site. 18,500 for a pirates, 20k for a ce gnr. Give me a break, you guys are so full of yourselves it’s sad. Again, if you don’t like the price, move on. It’s really not that hard. If anything, placing this ad has made me realize what a bunch of cry babies are on this site. You cry that you can get the new games you want, you cry that the themes aren’t what you want, you cry when you can’t afford something or it’s not at your ideal price point. Again, grow up, even just a little, and maybe you guys will realize that not only does your opinion truly mean squat to anyone but yourself, but that the world does not revolve around your wants and needs like you act.

Community standards, that is hilarious! I listed a game with a price, never misrepresented anything on it or led anyone on. But then I get 3-4 pages of you clowns whining about price and bashing me before I decide to stand up and say enough is enough. And I’m the bad guy going against standards? The people who only reply to bash pricing or now my character for the price I set forth, aren’t going against standards? You sir a the true definition of a clown, I bet you have a nice office job too, or stay at home dad…. Lol

So by saying mind your business, I’m now a grown baby? So the more adult thing to do is, find an ad that you don’t agree with and then proceed to bash the guy about everything you can until you feel better about yourself? All while saying “ I’m protecting our community”, as a cover. That’s real adult like right there.

I’m not a pro at restoration. I own a construction company and just happen to have the ability to restore a machine to a very good condition. Never have I ever said I was in any way a pro or trying to be one, just a guy who knows how to work with his hands and fix things. Not trolling for attention, just trying to sell/ trade the game for something that my kids would prefer. Never did I think it would turn into this debacle. If someone wants the game they can ask me to email them some additional pics and I would be happy to but for now I’m not wasting my time putting any more up just to have them picked apart by the goof troop on here. I enabled discussion in hopes I could answer some genuine questions about the machine as I like to be as up front as possible at all times, nothing to hide here. Hence, pick up only, no scams or hard feelings either way if the machine doesn’t meet the buyers standards we can shake hands and part ways without anyone getting financially hurt in the process. Again, I’m an honest person just trying to sell a machine.

Again, I guess I was raised better than most on here then. If it doesn’t pertain to you or you have nothing nice to say then keep your mouth shut was how I was taught. I can take criticism no problem, it’s the constant moaning and crying like kids on here I can’t take. It’s the same thing over and over. Price, price, price. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT THEN MOVE ON, simple as that.

7 ads? I could make a list for hours on every over priced machine on here, you can’t be serious?

Flipper can say whatever he wants, the guy seems like a stand up dude that knows his stuff. He may not be on the level of HEP but from what I’ve seen he a lot more skilled and knowledgeable than the majority of people on here. I don’t know the guy personally so I can only go off what’s on here but from my experience, guys who talk the way he does about things are usually no non sense straight shooters. It’s the people who constantly watch every word they say to make sure it’s perfect and doesn’t offend anyone that I worry about….

My time or posting on this site has zero relevance to what I said. How does judging the way a man talks and the work he does relate to post count or length of time lurking on a forum? Pin side, believe it or not, isn’t the end all/ be all of pinball. There are plenty of competent people into pinball that have never heard of, care about, or have the time to be on this forum. I was one of them until the last year or so, been around games my entire life, by no means am I a novice. One day a guy told me about the site and I decided to check it out, not much on here for me really other than the ads and a few of the threads so I don’t post much or spend a lot of time on here, until the last couple days. Now I’m seeing why most people avoid these types of forums. A bunch of grown men crying about game problems, and acting like a bunch of has been high school kids. If my inexperience on these forums is for some reason looked down on, good, I’m more than happy about that. Not everyone has the time to dedicate half their life to sitting in front of a computer, some of us have kids, work, maybe actually play the games instead of sitting here posting day and night about them. Or are there really that many grown men who have nothing better to do but live and breathe nothing but pinball? It’s an awesome/ hobby sport but, come on 5k plus posts for some of you guys, that’s the sad thing.

Nope, no powder coat or color puke. It may be some people’s preference, just not for me.

Oh, and Facebook I expect it. Here, I knew some would be upset with price but never thought it would get spun out into an all out pissing match. Live and learn.

I’m not trying to rip anyone off or take advantage of people either. But, I am also an honest guy and with prices as high as they have been I don’t want to leave anything on the table. This is a nice machine, is it a showroom HEP quality game, no, and it’s not priced at 12.5k plus either. I do honestly believe, judging by what I have into this to get to this point and current pricing that this machine is a solid $9-10k machine all day.

I added some more pics to hopefully help clear things up and to the guy who asked, no I have not received any serious offers on the machine or anyone wanting to look at it.

The clips are for the led star post lights, didn’t want to make permanent in case they didn’t work out or are no longer wanted. Batteries on board is fine, just keep them changed. It’s nice but not needed in my mind.

This is a restored, players condition machine. It’s not a museum piece. Meant to be played and it’s by no means a hack. This whole notion of perfect, absolutely pristine machines is all fine and dandy but in a 28 year old machine that’s most likely be routed you are going to have some minor imperfections here and there.

I think you need to check your use of the word oxymoron. There is nothing contradictory about saying restored players condition. You can have a rough players machine as another example. So if you have a played machine that has been restored to a like new (not 100 percent perfect) what should it be called? Refreshed players? Refurb players? Modified, slightly less than perfect players? I think restored players is a better term and to most people would fit the bill just fine. But if you want to continue to pick away, be my guest

Jesus dude, find a girl friend or something. You just went to a whole new level of “ I have nothing better to do”. Now a connector, which works perfectly fine is an over the top deal??