Quoted from Endprodukt:You don't happen to be a top notch guitarist?
Nope, sorry. But let me know if you need any further piano/keys work. Happy to help you finish this baby!
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That YouTube video you posted really reminds me of DuckTales Remastered. Gave me chills, it was so good. Especially with those "big band brass" sounds you have that ring out at the end of the cadence.
To anyone who has ever owned an NES in their life probably played DuckTales, and knew just how just how damned fantastic the 8-bit soundtrack was on that game, and when Wayforward and Capcom announced that they were jointly remastering the game, people were more concerned with how well they'd re-orchestrate everything than the actual gameplay--most notably the moon theme, which is arguably the most popular tune on the OST.
I am so freaking excited this project is continuing. Again, thanks for you hard work Endprodukt!
Quoted from mbaumle:I am so freaking excited this project is continuing. Again, thanks for you hard work Endprodukt!
Also super excited for this. From what I've heard so far it sounds great!
Kiel
Last night I actually prayed that you release this Endprodukt. It would mean me buying a PinSound, and a speaker upgrade kit and I know that would eventually lead to a ColorDMD.
Tonight I'll pray that you don't release it.
Just got a whitewater a couple of months ago.
Looking forward the the complete sound package.
Great work so far. 
Dudes... until now there is no solution for a release. Jjust to make that clear so for now don't get a board for this and please please don't ask me for the mix in pm's. I'm not going to release this without permission from Williams and/or PPS.
Quoted from Endprodukt:Dudes... until now there is no solution for a release. Jjust to make that clear so for now don't get a board for this and please please don't ask me for the mix in pm's. I'm not going to release this without permission from Williams and/or PPS.
Sorry to hear that. 
Still looking forward to hearing the finished product whenever we can.
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Biscarrosse
Quoted from Endprodukt:Dudes... until now there is no solution for a release. Jjust to make that clear so for now don't get a board for this and please please don't ask me for the mix in pm's. I'm not going to release this without permission from Williams and/or PPS.
Great job but what a pity you cannot share it
Quoted from colonel_caverne:Great job but what a pity you cannot share it
It's a shame how petty and greedy PPS is being about this entire thing.
Has anyone even seen the documentation proving they own the copyrights? There isn't any mention of them in the US Copyright Office database.
Quoted from colonel_caverne:Great job but what a pity you cannot share it
I think he can share it, but can't make $$$ without paying a royalty.
I say charge $10 and give PPS their $1 royalty. That may not work since electronic -- however will Rick attach his hologram to an IP download??? LOL.
Of course, we're all free to donate more if we want to 'tip' the author...
Quoted from bstyles:I think he can share it, but can't make $$$ without paying a royalty.
Nope. Mr. Greedy Pants from PPS said that because Pinsound would be making money he was going to continue to be a money grubbing \InsertWhateverYouWantHere\.
Quoted from Spyderturbo007:Nope. Mr. Greedy Pants from PPS said that because Pinsound would be making money he was going to continue to be a money grubbing \InsertWhateverYouWantHere\.
That dumb. If there was no Pinsound then this whole project would be useless. If it wasn't for Pinsound then there would be no royalty to collect.
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Robina
I guess it's almost impossible to produce software like this so that PPS would be happy it won't go viral and they can be assured everyone pays for a sound file.
Is it possible or practicle to develop a keyed software/hardware file that would give them more confidence in security of Bullshit License!
My WH20 is more than 23 (Duh) years old and no longer has the Patent Numbers on the back of the machine....you can trust me I will keep said files for me only or anyone else who paints over there proprietary crappy built Cabinet....... I promise fingers crossed & hope to die and all that stuff...and just for those God fearing PPS American's I will even put my hand on the bible and sware all sorts of 4 letter words at them.
Whadya reckon that should do the trick.
Knowing the American Corporate Greed like we all do GFC and the like, they will try and sue me for painting over the Patents. I say do Dark Net and Screw them right back!
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Williams did that with the CPU Board.....They did no such thing for the sound board. Williams/PPS never went after the chinese for making repro DMD boards, gutless bastards!!!!!!!!!!
SO i Guess in another 70 odd years your grandkids can finally release all your hard work.
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Still completely Mental - Come on Rick, Sort something out - there MUST be some way in which this incredible enhancement can be "licenced" for all to enjoy.... Endprodukt has done (and is doing) an incredible job here for the pinball community as a whole - There has to be some way that a mutual agreement can be reached here!
PPS needs to leave this set of recordings alone.
We have waited too long to improve this game's music to proper quality and reorchestration.
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:We have waited too long to improve this game's music to proper quality and reorchestration.
Since owning the game, I've noticed that I play pretty much only to advance the rafts just to hear the music progression. It's honestly one of the classiest bits of pinball music out there.
Guisborough
Quoted from PPS:good things will come to those who wait ...
Thanks for that Rick, your working on it.
Quoted from PPS:good things will come to those who wait ...
Thank you for this Rick PPS. Could all the naysayers please be patient. Getting all the paperwork together takes time.
Good to hear, Rick. Hopefully, both sides can make a deal and benefit the entire community. This is huge.
Trondheim
Told you guys. BUT... just to let you know: I heard of this today. Don't expect anything from my side soon and I have no idea under which circumstances or price this will be going out to you. I have also no idea how this affects my old mixes and/or mixes with scores from movies.
I'm waiting on my playfield and hope to reassemble my machine soon. The way I see it...as soon as I start playing it again, I want it to sound better so... let's see 
Quoted from boostedskex:Endprodukt... i hope you get a nice kick back from the extra sales pinsound is about to get. Your work on WH20 is amazing and hopefully i can jam out to your tunes while playing mine!!
I agree. I'm basically waiting on the reorchestration for WH2O to be permitted and my order for a PinSound will be placed.
Re-orchestration of WMS/BLY is 'ok' with us for PinSound compatible sound files. So we no issues with White Water ...
Quoted from PPS:Re-orchestration of WMS/BLY is 'ok' with us for PinSound compatible sound files. So we no issues with White Water ...
Quoted from Endprodukt:Told you guys. BUT... just to let you know: I heard of this today. Don't expect anything from my side soon and I have no idea under which circumstances or price this will be going out to you. I have also no idea how this affects my old mixes and/or mixes with scores from movies.
I'm waiting on my playfield and hope to reassemble my machine soon. The way I see it...as soon as I start playing it again, I want it to sound better so... let's see
Just wanted to say "thanks" again for keeping with this. I only have enough chops in the production area to know that White Water is a MASSIVE undertaking and your work on it thus far has been unrivaled! Cheers to you good sir!
Quoted from PPS:Re-orchestration of WMS/BLY is 'ok' with us for PinSound compatible sound files. So we no issues with White Water ...
Wha? Well that was fast! Thank you!
My wallet on the other hand does not thank you.
Quoted from Fifty:Wha? Well that was fast! Thank you!
My wallet on the other hand does not thank you.
lol
Quoted from Jam_Burglar:Just wanted to say "thanks" again for keeping with this. I only have enough chops in the production area to know that White Water is a MASSIVE undertaking and your work on it thus far has been unrivaled! Cheers to you good sir!
It's indeed massive. Even ij was pretty much a joke against the masses of tracks that wh2o has. This needs a lot of time and patience... please keep in mind that I'm doing this in my spare time. I'm glad that pps and pinsound found a solution.
Beverwijk
I have been following this thread for a while, and have held off on ordering any Pinsound PCB's strickly because of the issues EndProdukt was encountering from rights holders. Now that the Pinsound/PPS deal is in place and Rick has given his blessing to EndProdukt I'm placing an order for a bunch of Pinsound's. The work being done on this project is unbelievably impressive, and looking forward to following along until it's complete.
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