I am working on a white water. I replaced the upper playfield and since replacing, i am having trouble with the ball making it up the wireform trail onto the upper playfeld from the kicker. When one ball is in there it will make it up 75% of the time and if it doesnt it will rekick and go up. However, when a ball is locked and another ball goes in, it tries to kick up and wont make it, so it falls back down onto the other ball which sneaks in behind it, and now there are two balls trying to go up which it cant do. It also makes that top ball be off center as its resting on a bother ball rather than the platform.

It has the strongest coil, a new coil sleeve, a new black part that the ball rests on to shoot up with good new rubber points on it. It tries and then goes into a ball finder program and tries to continually kick them up and they fire repeatedly, then the free ball popper in the backbox fires continually. Its a mess.

Has anyone faced this and what solutions should i be looking for? It seems to have happened since I replaced this upper playfield. I checked all connections and alignment of the wireform looks the same

Bruce

The wireform only has one position. the one leg that goes into the metal plate aligns it. So I dont think thats it. I replaced the black top piece that sits atop the coil plunger extension. It wasnt worn but I did it anyway. I look into the hole down through the wireform and there is the metal piece that the plunger comes up through and that looks fairly centered. I did not replaced the coil stop, as it looked fine. The spring is also intact and the bracket that mounts the coil assembly to the weldment appears tight. I guess i could bend the weldment a bit and see if this improves the plunging activity.

I will take a pic this weekend. Thanks

Attached are the pics of the assembly as well as the wire form from above

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So I played around with things today and the issue appears to be that the holes for mounting the wireform ramp on the new upper playfield seem to be torquing the ramp. When I lift the ramp out of the small metal hole in the metal base under the playfield it frees the ball path and correctly lifts the ball. So Ill figure how to maybe drill a new hole in the metal plats or just prop it and leave it.

Will try. I assumed that since the upper playfield was replaced, the upper mounting holes may have been a bit different and then when you seat that longer leg, it was twisting it a bit. The VUK assembly can usually only go back and forth in one direction, unless you shim with washers between the mount and tha playfield to kick it front to back. Is the easier way to test in a coil test? Seems like its similar to the fiddling with the Scared Stiff VUK

i took it apart yesterday, reseated the wireform into the hole and dismantled the upkicker mech. Someone already had placed two washers on the backside to tilt the mech. I removed everything, refilled the holes with glue ad toth picks as they were stripped and will start replacing today and realigning. I also noiticed the screw that holds the black ball rest was a little loose. Doesnt seem it has a lock washer at all. So whats the best wy to make sure its aligned? I thought about taking off the ball rest and inserting a long wood skewer and making sure this was exactly in the middle of the wireform when seated. or is it just trial and error?

Should i just seat it without any washers and then see where its kicking the ball? I find it hard to tell which way its off when looking from above.

Bruce

Thought I would follow up. So I repositioned the wireform in the hole correctly, filled the wood holes under the playfield as some of the screws of the mech were stripped. Unbent the legs of the mech which were pretty wonky to get it as close to original as possible, screwed it back in place with good bite from the new wood holes, and BAMMM- works like a charm- thanks everyone for guidance> I always appreciate it.