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Whirlwind Software Rewrite - The Journey

By applejuice

7 years ago


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#351 5 months ago

Registering interest in a DIY kit please.

#352 5 months ago
Quoted from yaksplat:

I'm on board.
All of the components are through hole, right?

Yes, all the parts you will need to buy and install will be through hole ones. This is how i design and make all my boards. I avoid smd parts wherever possible!

Thanks for the support and replies from everyone. I will be sending invoices over shortly.

To answer a few other things. I have made a few other products available in this way and all has worked out fine so i will keep this an option if everything works out ok. It will be great to see other like minded people putting these kits together and enjoying the upgrades. The boards are not that complicated to assemble if you take your time and split them up into sections etc. It will be up to the individual to assemble it correctly and test/check their work. I will be available via email for support. The warranty supplied for the kit will be just for the raw parts sent, as i cannot guarantee the assembly. Just common sense really. There may be an option later to make a test controller ic to check the board after assembly, but i will decide on this later.

I will be setting up a private dropbox area which i will place all the raw files and support docs etc. Anyone who purchases a barebones kit will be given access to this area. This will also include the design files and graphic files for my dmd cover plastics and wood panel. I ask people not to share these openly though and only use them for their personal game. If someone wants to resell these plastics later then i can discuss this separately.

#353 5 months ago

Im definitely in for one of the DIY kits. Im so excited to get this in my Whirlwind

#354 5 months ago

Are there any other Aussie's looking to buy a kit and want to share shipping costs?

#355 5 months ago

Got started on mine. Im almost done right? haha

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#356 5 months ago
Quoted from BrewNinja:

Got started on mine. Im almost done right? haha
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Ha ha, awesome and excellent, i think you are in the lead currently!

My board assembly is progressing and i am checking the parts and updating the bom sheet with the element14/mouser parts numbers as i go.

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These photos will also be included in the dropbox area as reference for assembly etc

#357 5 months ago

Hey so to anyone looking to buy these, I was about to commit the transaction yesterday and noticed some Paypal funny business with the exchange rate: something like an additional 5% on top of the (already low/unfavorable) dollar/pround conversion. Tried to see if my CC had better direct conversion and... one does not simply figure this out apparently. Go figure.

It may end up a wash after all but I hate "surprise" and "gotcha" fees like this. I've bought records and other stuff from europe and never had this pop up (or maybe it's because the transaction is so large here it's finally obvious). Anyone have experience with this?

I know, I know, our Euro pinballer friends have it worse so I shouldn't complain... it's just the "WTF?" surprise that made me balk momentarily... I'm personally committed either way.

#358 5 months ago

Had the same thing happen. The paypal conversion fee has always been terrible. They like to get a piece of every action they can. Ive always just changed it to letting my CC do the conversion. As long as you have no foreign transaction fees, it should be way better. I used my Amazon card and the conversion rate was pretty much the same as what you can get from entering it in bing/google.

#359 5 months ago

Mhh .. from Europe to GB is no charge, only maybe a bad exchange rate but no fees.

#360 5 months ago
Quoted from goingincirclez:

Hey so to anyone looking to buy these, I was about to commit the transaction yesterday and noticed some Paypal funny business with the exchange rate: something like an additional 5% on top of the (already low/unfavorable) dollar/pround conversion. Tried to see if my CC had better direct conversion and... one does not simply figure this out apparently. Go figure.
It may end up a wash after all but I hate "surprise" and "gotcha" fees like this. I've bought records and other stuff from europe and never had this pop up (or maybe it's because the transaction is so large here it's finally obvious). Anyone have experience with this?
I know, I know, our Euro pinballer friends have it worse so I shouldn't complain... it's just the "WTF?" surprise that made me balk momentarily... I'm personally committed either way.

If it makes you feel any better i get charged fees on my invoices from PayPal to and its something i just have to take on the chin when running a business . I've used PayPal as a payment method for all my products for years and years (coming up 10 years now) and its still the easiest and simplest way to offer products for sale around the world. BACS transfers are just too complicated for most people and are just as expensive to. As i'm uk based all my prices are of course in £ (pounds sterling). It is what it is with exchange rates, but it is still alot lower than it was 10 years ago.

By offering these self build kits i've halved the cost for purchase with the exchange rate and you can source the remaining parts in your local country at better prices hopefully. If you don't want to buy in then its ok, there is no pressure.

#361 5 months ago

Next build pic

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#362 5 months ago

I just realized that i need one of these.
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https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/SparkFun/TOL-13114

My lead bends are never great.

#363 5 months ago
Quoted from yaksplat:

I just realized that i need one of these.
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https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/SparkFun/TOL-13114
My lead bends are never great.

That is gonna be very useful

#364 5 months ago
Quoted from applejuice:

If it makes you feel any better i get charged fees on my invoices from PayPal to and its something i just have to take on the chin when running a business...
By offering these self build kits i've halved the cost for purchase with the exchange rate and you can source the remaining parts in your local country at better prices hopefully. If you don't want to buy in then its ok, there is no pressure.

Oh we get the PayPal grift stateside too... all kinds of horror stories and you're right, there's no such thing as a free ride. I've had to take my lumps selling online similarly! I just never noticed the currency exchange fee before. It wasn't a deal-breaking amount (20 quid) but its appearance made me go "huh?"

Anyway, I am indeed very grateful and excited for the more affordable and fun DIY option. And I'm paid up now, so cheers and I can't wait (but take your time, I'm not trying to rush greatness)...

#365 5 months ago
Quoted from yaksplat:

I just realized that i need one of these.
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https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/SparkFun/TOL-13114
My lead bends are never great.

Dammit all the stuff I order from Mouser and I never thought to look for one of those! OTOH it seems like something I've probably thrown away as scrap at one time or another...

#366 5 months ago

You can totally 3d print one. There are a bunch of them on thingiverse.

#367 5 months ago

REV2 board assembled

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#368 4 months ago

I have only just seen this tread - my god what have I been missing.

WOW - however long this takes I am interested when the finished product is ready! Take your time - my Whirlwind isnt going anywhere and this is simply amazing.

#369 4 months ago
Quoted from Gingerbloke:

I have only just seen this tread - my god what have I been missing.
WOW - however long this takes I am interested when the finished product is ready! Take your time - my Whirlwind isnt going anywhere and this is simply amazing.

Self assembly kits available if you want in . Can get a friend to build it for you maybe if you don’t like soldering or buying electronics!

#370 4 months ago

Applejuice...I had not been following this thread, given I had traded off my WW. But I stumbled in here just killing some time, and I must say, this is some amazing work! Very jealous of all of you that are going to be doing the retrofit.....

#371 4 months ago

I am in 100%, just need to wait for the idiot proof kit to be ready.

#372 4 months ago
Quoted from woody76:

I am in 100%, just need to wait for the idiot proof kit to be ready.

Me too! I have the skill set and love building electronics, but all my spare time is spent on my Elekit and SunValley (Toyota) audio projects (quality stuff) https://www.audioasylum.com/forums/triode/messages/59.html

#373 4 months ago

That assembled board is super sexy Jim. How on earth do you get your soldering to look so neat? Puts mine to shame.

#374 4 months ago
Quoted from stumblor:

That assembled board is super sexy Jim. How on earth do you get your soldering to look so neat? Puts mine to shame.

Years of practice and hunderds of boards assembled (literally)

#375 4 months ago

First panels are ready.
It makes no sense sending them to the USA due the high shipping costs, same for outside EU.
If someone is intrested let me know.

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#376 3 months ago

SO I have just ordered what feels like hundreds of resistors from Farnel and am eagerly awaiting all parts…

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#377 84 days ago

I've been distracted by more pressing priorities and commitments the past couple months but I *finally* trolled through the BOM and ordered everything. Took a long time to cross-reference everything for number/qty/desc while building carts at suppliers that had this component but not that one... the chip shortage has apparently affected availability, as for example one of the transistors (the one using qty 40) was out of stock from 2 different suppliers with lead times quoted to 2022. And I had to troll for some other substitutions on caps, etc with worrying stock levels. So I know there aren't many of us, but I suggest anyone else dragging along on acquiring the parts better get to this sooner than later! Sadly I'm sure I missed something and won't realize it 'til build time comes so.

The BOM sure adds up quickly though... about $300 for parts for the PCB & display. And I still need to get a speaker/display panel. And the autolauncher. Phew!

Any updates on the code/features/etc in the last few weeks?

#378 84 days ago
Quoted from goingincirclez:

I've been distracted by more pressing priorities and commitments the past couple months but I *finally* trolled through the BOM and ordered everything. Took a long time to cross-reference everything for number/qty/desc while building carts at suppliers that had this component but not that one... the chip shortage has apparently affected availability, as for example one of the transistors (the one using qty 40) was out of stock from 2 different suppliers with lead times quoted to 2022. And I had to troll for some other substitutions on caps, etc with worrying stock levels. So I know there aren't many of us, but I suggest anyone else dragging along on acquiring the parts better get to this sooner than later! Sadly I'm sure I missed something and won't realize it 'til build time comes so.
The BOM sure adds up quickly though... about $300 for parts for the PCB & display. And I still need to get a speaker/display panel. And the autolauncher. Phew!
Any updates on the code/features/etc in the last few weeks?

Updates are in the works as always based on feedback and my own notes, but to be honest i've spent most of my whirlwind allocated time helping the 20 or so early adopter people assemble their hardware and get the boards going, checking for any small errors they made. Most boards have worked 100% 'out of the box'. Only had 1 or 2 little mistakes from people. Mainly bad off the shelf usb cables, or forgetting to key new cables and plugging them in backwards.

If you are on the slack discussion group then there's plenty of chat/help on parts sourcing etc.

#379 84 days ago

2 kits left form the latest board orders if anyone else would like to join in this adventure and self assembly fun.

Let me know if you want one.

#380 83 days ago
Quoted from applejuice:

If you are on the slack discussion group then there's plenty of chat/help on parts sourcing etc.

Shoot, the email I used to pay for the board is not one I typically monitor / email from so I forgot about the slack group invite you sent there. And I've never used Slack, ever. Guess I'm a slacker in a different way

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#381 36 days ago

More customer games up and running ❤️

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#382 23 days ago

Mega Door Bonus

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#383 23 days ago

Can’t wait till this is finished. I have a pin at HEP they will get a custom paint job. I’d like to have this mod installed at the same time.

#384 23 days ago

applejuice
looking forwar for the next update ! Looks great !
Please extend all ballsearches.

This is more than a "mod" ! It is a very huge project, all respect for Jim for programming this and the board layout.
What we need is a "sound guy" who is able to reorchester all the sounds in stereo or higher definition. Jim´s board is able to play stereo and a small amplifier can added easylie. But with the original mono sounds its not on level from the rest of the rewrite project.

Twister had also a nice idea ... why dont remove the 3 discs on a test playfield and add 3 magnets like on TAF ... very good idea and I will get a trashed playfield within the next month to think about a new layout in the middle part instead the 3 discs. there are many many many options.
The installed autoplunger itself is a hughe improvisation. Great ! WhiWi, TAF and ToTAN are for me the pins where I missed a autolauncher to get the multiballs recovered a specific time period. Also the ballsafe is a great thing. I miss this on TAF.

Looking forward for this ongoing adventure !
So far my system runs stable, my LED panels are not perfect , missing maybe some shilding from interferences.
Software is on a good way. Some games are fully playable, latest on the second multiball it becomes buggy. But .. we are in a beta stadium. I know this from my TBL very well and also the first software on Alien was not playable at all.

However ... a great project I am happy to be part.

#385 21 days ago

v0.2.7 now released. Update notes below. This project in terms of software is an iterative process so i work on updates as i get feedback along with my own test playing and improve things as i go. Much like the other software projects i have written. This was the reason to invite people to build hardware and test things out on their own games. More feedback = more stable software

v0.2.7
Ball Search - Vastly improved balls each routine now taking into account a stuck ball under the lift ramp. Ball search routine now runs in full regardless of other reset switches are activated during the run. Pop and sling switches if close could activate and cancel the run before.
Compass - Ramp lifter now has checking built in to make sure the event actually happened. logs an error if 10 tries result in no success.
Cellar - Added tracking of completed awards to progress to mega door bonus
Cellar - Added mega door bonus feature
Cellar - Added graphics for mega door bonus started and mega door bonus is ready
Compass - Fixed a bug with the virtual_lock flag that was messing up ball release for the second ball lock after the first multiball had been played.

Video of the mega door bonus feature

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTeuXLxo3iV/

#386 21 days ago

Amazing work Jim!

Any estimated date for the full kit?

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#387 12 days ago

Took me long enough to get started, but mine is finally working in the ranks. Just have to get the plastic media panel cover made.

The kit's definitely not for the unskilled or faint of heart - I'd guess about 1300 solder connections in all, and some very tiny and dense near very sensitive components. But it goes together well (provided you source everything properly) and I'm proud to say mine worked 100% first time no issues once I got it put together! The graphics look amazing in person and while it's very much a Beta code base with some random glitches, the game plays well and it's exciting to be a part of this. Can't wait to see how it comes along.
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#388 10 days ago

The thing about making new hardware is all the documentation and support you need to give out

See here for my version of the 'famous' williams/DE annotated pcb drawing layout

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#389 6 days ago

Subscribing, how am I just now seeing this

Very cool work

#390 3 days ago
Quoted from applejuice:

Next build pic
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is there a thread for this? Super interested

#391 3 days ago
Quoted from cait001:

is there a thread for this? Super interested

If that image isn’t a build pic of my system 11 hardware controller then something weird happened with pinside!

#392 3 days ago
Quoted from applejuice:

If that image isn’t a build pic of my system 11 hardware controller then something weird happened with pinside!

Nope - that’s a customer circuit board….

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