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Whirlwind - My first resto

By orangegsx

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

I know there is a ton of whirlwinds on here, Just wanted to add mine and see if anyone had some tips for me along the way, I've already started but anyways, here it is.

I played whirlwind as a kid at the local pizza joint, never thought I would end up with one (or afford one) but got lucky and found one in town and did some trading. This is my holy grail pin for sure. The game was not operational when I got it. Replaced the resistors for the displays and that let me figure out what was going on and played a few games on it. I wanted to clean it up good before I did any more damage to it, it was very grimey. I plan on getting it cleaned up as good as I can and getting it playing good. I don't mind the patina on the cabinet (for now at least).

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having an ultrasonic to use is awesome, also don't know how I lived without a tumbler before!
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I've done some touch ups and a few insert decals, I have a play field protector to put on over it all, Just waiting on my cliffy's to show up before I do that. Had to order a couple other bits too so I'm sort of on hold right now.

#5 6 years ago

Thanks all. I'll let you know if I need anything nerdy, I actually followed you on instagram to follow your swap.

Sanding on some ball guides tonight, they are all pretty nasty and I'm running out of sandpaper. My cpr plastics should be here tomorrow and hopefully my cliffys!

Had a friend tig up the cellar too, should hold now.

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#6 6 years ago

One question I did have. Is there anyway to stop the upper flipper from hitting the ball guide? Or do I just have to keep extra rubbers around?

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#8 6 years ago
Quoted from dsuperbee:

Go get yourself. Flapping wheel to help with regraining the ball guides, it goes quick

What grit? I think I have some at work. I've been starting at 600 and ending with 1000 by hand.

#11 6 years ago
Quoted from nerdygrrl:

Wowzer, that appears to be an adjustment issue, either with the way the flipper was set or where the ball guide is sitting. It's something to be aware of when reinstalling, check your spacing and adjust flipper accordingly.
Also kudos for taking the time to regrain. I've been on the fence about it, but it may be a nice break from the PF stuff. The flaps are awesome. I've heard these work great too, but only go up to 400g: https://www.harborfreight.com/4-in-400-grit-abrasive-ball-61183.html

Hmm. Well I think I'll order some flipper stops just to make sure.. it beat up the ball guide pretty good

#12 6 years ago

Plastics showed up. Impressive quality. Quite the upgrade

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#13 6 years ago

Still waiting on parts, have a few other projects to finish up before I continue too. I did get a new light cover for my box at work though

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#14 6 years ago

Well I think I figured out my display issue. Missing chip at u19, easy and cheap enough. Also found a bad relay underneath the playfield for the upper GI, having some trouble finding one though.

Still waiting on bumper bodies then I can carry on. Got the playfied protector on, looks great

Threw in a clear hole protector too, with a blue LED below it.

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#16 6 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

You got any 455s in that led assortment for the backbox?

I was trying to figure out why I was six bulbs short up there. Now I get it. Forgot to order those. Thanks!

#17 6 years ago

replaced fuse and reflowed relay board.. woohoo!

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#18 6 years ago

Well last night after getting the GI working I went after the spinning discs problem. Assumed it was the resistor on the motor board so I resoldered it, then resoldered the sound overlay board... then I found the single butt connector unplugged that goes to the motor . So my only issue left is the missing chip for the display. (Hopefully)

Heres a shot of the lit up eject hole. This will be the only colored LED out of an insert.

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#21 6 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

Looking great!
Were you able to find U19 UDN7180? Don't buy these from China, that are most certainly fakes.

Thank you!
I was going to order one from action pinball today. I'm assuming they are fake though? For 8$

Quoted from nerdygrrl:

Great progress, everything is looking awesome so far!

Thanks!

#23 6 years ago

So far the bumpers are the first thing that I am not fully enjoying working on. Only five more to go though!

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#24 6 years ago

Had to give up on the bumpers for the night and move on, half done.

Slapped some decals on the drops

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#26 6 years ago

Getting there. Ramp day today!

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#28 6 years ago
Quoted from mgpasman:

Looking great!
Did you do any touch-ups to the PF before installing that makrolon protector?

Thanks! I did a bit around the bumpers, nothing major though. I did it with acrylic and did not clear it. There is a few pics of what I did on the first post.

#30 6 years ago

Added a small hunk of metal to help stop the ramp from cracking.

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#31 6 years ago

I ordered bayonet bulbs for the top lighting piece instead of wedge. Oh well incandecants will work for now. I have some adjusting to do for sure. kind of wish the tolerance on the playfield protector was a little bit tighter around the spinning discs

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#32 6 years ago

Ugh... replaced the chip... the lower half now works but its still jumbled

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#34 6 years ago
Quoted from nerdygrrl:

Check your ribbon cables, reseat and check continuity. 99.9% likely it's a cable issue.

Hmm.. I flipped both ends 180* you would think the problem would change but it didn't at all

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#35 6 years ago

Well looks like a pin was folded under on that socket while it was replaced or something.. crap

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#38 6 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

Well, that looks to be pin 9 which is ground. No telling what would happen with that left floating. Great eye to catch that missing pin.

Well I removed the chip socket and resoldered it. Reflowed most everything else again to make sure.. making some progress here but now the top characters are stuck on.. doesnt change when flipping the cable

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#40 6 years ago
Quoted from nerdygrrl:

Do you have another display or ribbon cable on hand so you can rule the display or cables out?

No unfortunately. I'll check the cable for continuity tonight.

Here is the display test. Im not sure on what exact segments they are I'll have to look them up. But the tops are stuck on and some of the bottom is missing.

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#41 6 years ago

The cable has continuity through all terminals. Looking at the schematic now I guess I'll check and reflow everything upstream tonight

#42 6 years ago

Hmmm

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#45 6 years ago

I'm guessing a component on the mpu is toast, one of the src's... I've gotta take a break from this before I ruin something I can't afford to replace right now. Reflowed a bunch of stuff on the cpu and nothing has changed. I'll do some more research and come back to it I guess

#49 6 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

You have a couple problems in those pictures, lets start with the top segments of display 2 locked on.
Now that you have replaced the missing 7180, lets step slightly back. Use a logic probe to test the inputs and outputs of the input buffers for those segments. Looks like a, b and f segments which come through U9 and U10. These should be pulsing and NOT stuck high or low. If they are stuck hi or lo on the input, you have a ribbon cable or CPU board issue. If the input is pulsing but the output is not, you have a bad buffer chip.
Similar test for the display 2 segments that never turn on c and e. Those input buffers are on U11 and U12
For the dead digit and the always on digit in display 1 and 2, we know the strobe signals are making it through the input gates since digit 5 has a problem on display 1 and digit 4 has a problem on display 2 (if the signal was not making it through, both displays would have a problem on the same digit). The problem is probably in the 6118 at U13 and U17. Are either of these socketed?

Ive been meaning to get a logic probe for work, I'll get one and dig into this. As far as the dead digit it was going through the test where is goes through all the digits one by one.. there is no problems with the top display. Thanks for the help. I will go through it when I get a logic probe

#51 6 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

Cool, then there is only a potential problem with U17. Is that by chance socketed? If so, check out the solder job on that socket and if another 6118 is socketed, it would be a simple test to swap them and see if the problem follows the chip.

I dont believe it is but I will check when I get home. So, I'm used to automotive/motorcycle diagrams... the hollow line after the diodes from j5 goes directly to u19 and u20. The thin lines that branch to u17 and u18 are connected to the hollow line? I was assuming there would be dots if they were and they just passed under on the diagram... thank you for helping me narrow this down

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#53 6 years ago

Well I noticed u11 and u12 was socketed and should be the same chips. It also looks like u12 was desoldered and shoved into the socket. Is a tc4049bp the same as a cd4049cn? I swapped the two chips between u11 and u12 and the scrambled segments have moved.

Ill order a few of these I guess.. is there anyway playing it with these chips missing or bad could cause any damage? I would assume not becuase its just data. But I'd like to make sure.. the score still works so I'd like to play it (superbowl party)!

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#55 6 years ago

Progress! Threw a cable in and u11-12 quick because they are socketed. Still missing one segment. I ordered all the chips and resistors for the display board so I will hopefully get it going 100% tonight when I get time

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#57 6 years ago

Well RIP whirlwind. I pulled a bag out with two 7180s in it and put them into u19 and u20.. turns out the one i put in u19 was a 6118. Machine wont boot. Replaced f1 fuse still nothing, no display beside failure message. Sick to my stomach. Bonehead move

No blinks on diagnostic led during start up, constant blink with coin door open. One tone after pressing diag switch 2

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#60 6 years ago

ugh.. still can't believe I did that. I was thinking about sending the cpu out to get a check over anyways. Guess it will be sooner than later. Hopefully I just whiped the ram/rom or something.

#63 6 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

Don't beat yourself up, it happens to all of us! Simple mistake.
I don't have access to schematics at the moment. When I get home tonight, I'll have a look and try and tell you what that may have fried, if anything.
In the mean time, remove the ribbon cable from the display and see if the CPU will boot.

With the ribbon removed the +vdc light is constant, the diagnostics led flashes for maybe 50 blinks, then the blanking led will flash ten times. No boot

#66 6 years ago
Quoted from Blackbeard:

Send to Clive.
He'll take care of it.
coinopcauldron

I might, we'll see. I have chips on the way. I am totally comfortable replacing components on the board. Diagnosing is what im not too sure about. I'll give a triple check on what chips go where this time before plugging anything in.

I will probably send the board out even if this does fix it....

#68 6 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

The lines from U19 connect through buffers U7 and U8 on the display board ultimately connecting to U42 on the CPU board.
I suspect what that error is saying is U42 Failure. Its hard to read because some display segments are stuck on likely caused by blown buffer chips or the bad PIA itself.
Start by replacing the buffers U7 and U8 (4049) on the display board BEFORE replacing U42. The reason you want to do the buffers first is the bad buffers MIGHT blow the PIA outputs. Unlikely but better safe than sorry since they all need to be replaced anyway.
Then try U42 (6821), and you might have to replace U41 (another 6821) if the buffer chip also corrupted the other PIA.

Replaced u7-u8 u41-u42, the correct chips in u19, and the u25 ram chip.

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Then I unplugged the display and it booted and made three sounds after the chime, the 5vdc was constant and the diag blinking, blanking was on. Just one time, back to not booting now

I guess looking at the diagram I probly should have ordered chips for u44 and maybe u51? After replacing u11-u12 on the display?

Probly going to just send this thing out. Don't have any extra cash at the moment though.

3 weeks later
#69 6 years ago

Big thanks to Clive! Operation has been restored. Still missing segment C on the lower display. All related chips have been replaced. I'll re check all the wiring, Then I guess its display time.

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#71 6 years ago
Quoted from nerdygrrl:

Very nice. What did it end up being?

Williams System 11B CPU board (Whirlwind. Blown logic chips. Prior repairs. Inoperative): All fourn sound and game ROMs removed and internal data verified (Vcc +/- 0.25v). All socketed ICs removed and tested. Signals in, out and around board analyzed. 3x NOS 68A21 PIA ICs and 3x 40-pin machined chip sockets (U41, U42, U51). NOS 74HCT154 IC and 24-pin chip socket (U44). NOS 2016 8K RAM chip (U25). 8x 27 ohm 5 wayy ceramic power resistors (R82 -- R89, all burned). 2x 10uf/35v (C8, C15), 22uf/16v (C30) and 3x 100uf/50v/105c (C24, C26, C29) capacitors. All socketed ICs removed and tested. All transistors, SCRs, diodes and zeners curve-traced and tested. Signals in, out and around board analyzed. Board cleaned up. Added 3AA remote battery pack system. Two-tier full functional testing

#72 6 years ago

My next project. Little fiberglass work

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#75 6 years ago
Quoted from zerbam:

finally putting my whirlwind back together....replacing all factory stickers inside and out......trying to establish my date of manufacture for the decal on the back........can you read yours along with the serial number.....if I get enough numbers I can get an average build per day and figure out my date.......thanks

All I got, serial number on the board though. No date anywhere

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#77 5 years ago
Quoted from orangegsx:

My next project. Little fiberglass work

I was going to totally fix this up and fiberglass the bottom all back together. I decided just to sure up the bad cracks with fiberglass and call it done. None of the damage will be visible anyways. Going to need some decals now.

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