Wow, hopefully you've cleaned up the entire machine from that water damage! That mold is nasty stuff!

Man. GREAT job.

Don't forget to rebuild all your coils and flipper mechs

I ordered mine 4 years ago . Yes I got one .

prob. look better if you labeled the old playfield and use it as a reference for the new one.. Thats what i did. looks good so far tho!

Did your playfield have and crazing?

Yes,

Some of them are bold and some aren't?

Just so everyone knows: CPR Did NOT do the Artwork on the Whirlwind Plastics (or Whitewater Plastics for that matter), we were supplied Film Positives from another Vendor for these 2 sets. Since we were provided actual Films there was no changing or altering any of the artwork.

Stu

Believe me, anything is better than my plastics. I was just seeking clarification.

Chris

Wow that was trashed.Kudos for reviving a great title!

If you ever decide to sell that WW let me know. Nice work

Wow nice job!!

What does the bit about the film positives mean exactly? Are those original pieces of art from Williams or what's the story behind them? If so why the inconsistencies with the plastics on his machine?

The mis-aligned holes sound inexcusable. I got my playfield recently and while it looks nice, I'm starting to worry a bit.

PFR took more than 4 years restoring mine, don't feel bad

The film positives are what is created from the source art to make the screens. Since CPR didn't have the source digital art to make corrections they just had to use the positives they were given to burn the screens they made for printing the plastics.

I'm wondering about the holes as well.

Ok, this will explain the "holes" issue:

We had several different Whirlwind Playfields as "samples" to work from in the creation of the CAD File. Keep in mind that there were Three ( 3 ) Different Manufacturers of this playfield when it was originally released. Unfortunately ALL 3 were Different, yet ALL 3 were still used in the Original Production of this game, so the Bottom Line is this: ALL 3 are Correct, even though they are ALL Different.

We have Explained all this on the web site....

To better understand PLEASE READ THIS:
JOIN US ON A CASE STUDY
The Decision-Making Process on Just One Playfield
http://classicplayfields.com/chronicles.html

Stu

My Whirlwind doesn't even shoot the ball around the guide to the third flipper. It usually doinks on a post or whatever and misses the ramp or guide 9 out of ten times. I have a feeling most playfield swaps need to be tweeked quite a bit to get right for each differenct game. I am assuming the best bet is to trace the holes on your old playfield and match to the new one? I think the biggest problem is alot of guys(myself included) are just getting into swapping and all these little variations can cause things to be ruined if not handled correctly. I appreciate seshpilots posts as it makes me aware of the issues. I am still waiting for my playfield luckily and by the time I get ready to start mine hopefully some more experienced guys post more tidbits to make the transition smoother. To be honest you'd think that one playfield for the dimples and holes would be enough. It seems you are inviting more problems by using multiple playfields and putting them together. Correct me if I am wrong.

Did you read the web site, or just what I posted in the thread?

What Stu is saying is that over the year or so that a pin was in production, different manufacturers made the playfields for Williams.

Williams did not make their own playfields.

So when you laser scan a playfield to make the CNC cut file, you might find that the hole placement is slightly different from manufacturer "A" than they were from manufacturer "B". CPR has to pick one cut file and run with it.

No matter what, SOME people are going to be out of luck as far as the hole match up.

It would be helpful to see a picture of what the actual problem is. It seems like it wouldn't be SOME but ALL that would have this problem since the donor playfield used to make the cut file had the problem.

That is great info, I have seen you post this in the past.

Even with the cuts being a bit different the parts would still line up properly with each other, right? You just have to adjust how you place them on the playfield in relation to each other, that is unless its a through hole post for example which can't be moved around.

It's not a "problem" on the orig playfield, because it had components that matched it at some point. Maybe plastics with different slot, or wider guide or...or...or....

Think of all the people who order F14 parts (they made 15,000+ of these things), some have different display mounts in the backbox, some take different light bulbs (555s in later, 44 in earlier). So if you buy a display, and have a different mount in your backbox, you have some drilling to do. If you buy a kit of 555 LEDs, and your game needs the 44s, you have some returning to do. It does not mean that these games had problems, just that there were variations.

We don't laser scan the playfield for the CAD File > each & every hole, cut out, etc. is precisley measured & Drawn in the CAD File.....

Totally understood on that part. I always thought the playfield parts (mechs, ball guides, etc) were all exactly the same. I'm not counting light sockets since they do nothing to direct the motion of the ball.

It would be easy to just take a picture of the two parts, one on the original PF (assuming it was correct there) and then a picture installed on the CPR field to demonstrate the differences but with just a basic description its hard to understand if this is a problem or not.

I'll just assume its not a problem until proven otherwise

I don't know about the prices in Canada, but here in the rust belt, a laser playfield scan runs $25 a side in low resolution ( .1mm) . It only takes them a few minutes to run it.

So your Plastic lines up correctly but the Metal Guide under it dosent...looks like the metal guide is drilled wrong since the Plastic lines up correctly.....

Sure does. I need to go and look at mine before I take them apart.

From memory I think my plastic and metal rail are a little bit like that on one side but not as bad as yours is. My WW is still stock though and I wasn't planning on replacing the playfield.

Thanks for the pictures.

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I'm pretty sure cliffy is now making the metal guides for whirlwind

http://www.passionforpinball.com/FlipFrames.htm

Since the whirlwind playfields may have different sizes for the guide rails I'm wondering if cliffy would drill specific holes in his guides to match individual playfields?

The gaps on my original Whirlwind between flipper and ball guide are exactly the same and the pics Sesh is showing. The right is almost touching and the left has a big gap.

If its factory then its factory. I would probably just grind down the ball guide versus drilling new holes in the playfield.

Even if it is not factory ,the best way to fix is a two minute sand roll on a dremel.

NOOOOOOOOOOoo lol Some people.

At this stage of the game be happy you get anything at all. It would take me longer to type that out then it would be for me to whip my dremel out of my back pocket (yep thats where I keep mine) and just fix it. I do so much port work on 2 strokes if you see me without a Dremel it must be dinner time.

Thanks for the review though.

LOL , I think it is funny that a dremel to some is a bad thing .

dremel is only a bad word when you are expected to use it on a NIB game...

Only if you are a retard