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#3701 3 months ago
Quoted from Blackbeard:

How do they sell a pf with a missing insert? What am i missing here??

a insert!

#3702 3 months ago

Reseated some cables, pushed on chips, checked for shorted diodes/wires, did factory reset upon finding nothing. Now I haven’t used my meter so it’s possible one of them is broken internally but none were physically broken off the switch legs. Now we are back to nothing happening with the upper drop target in game but registering perfect in test. Does this still sound like a playfield issue or a board issue? Switch edge test correctly displays the drop target switch immediately in test mode upon being dropped. Tried various combinations of the other column switches with nothing appearing to mess with the drop target switch. Checked for row shorts. The only one I couldn’t get to was the left ramp score (top) as it was all the way in the back and would require removing both ramps. Nothing looked out of place on any of the column switches.

#3703 3 months ago
Quoted from Jmckune:

Reseated some cables, pushed on chips, checked for shorted diodes/wires, did factory reset upon finding nothing. Now I haven’t used my meter so it’s possible one of them is broken internally but none were physically broken off the switch legs. Now we are back to nothing happening with the upper drop target in game but registering perfect in test. Does this still sound like a playfield issue or a board issue? Switch edge test correctly displays the drop target switch immediately in test mode upon being dropped. Tried various combinations of the other column switches with nothing appearing to mess with the drop target switch. Checked for row shorts. The only one I couldn’t get to was the left ramp score (top) as it was all the way in the back and would require removing both ramps. Nothing looked out of place on any of the column switches.

You need a magnet on a stick. Great for moving the ball around.

As for the board vs pf, try shorting the pins on the board and see if it works. If all works well there, it's the playfield. Otherwise it's the boards.

#3704 89 days ago
Quoted from yaksplat:

You need a magnet on a stick. Great for moving the ball around.
As for the board vs pf, try shorting the pins on the board and see if it works. If all works well there, it's the playfield. Otherwise it's the boards.

Should I do this while a game is started? It appears to be working correctly in test mode I’m not sure if it would let a game start with the playfield unplugged as it needs to see the trough switches closed

#3705 89 days ago

Sure, shorting pins is the same as closing a switch. Just make sure that you know what pins your doing. I like to use a wire that hooks to a pin and then with the other end i touch pins to close switches. You can do the same thing with a bulb. Touch wires hanging off a socket to two specific pins and the bulb will light in test mode.

#3706 89 days ago

I have a set of alligator clips on a wire for this. I’m just wondering if maybe it’s possibly the resistor on the opto board. The game is clearly seeing the switch register in test and the coil is good. I’m wondering if when other switches are being monitored, it’s somehow blocking the signal from making it. I’m not sure of the resistors function on the opto board as it’s wired a little differently than other switches. It has row, column, 12v, ground where other switches are just row, column, diode. Maybe the 12v or ground is having an issue?

#3707 89 days ago

The resistors are just for the IR led and receiver. 12V is to power them. It'll still behaving like a switch as far as the row and column are concerned.

#3708 85 days ago
Quoted from zene10:

When repopulating a new Mirco playfield with the disks, I managed to center the disks perfectly.
If you're working with the original playfield, fill all existing screw holes with toothpicks and wood glue. After dry, cut the toothpicks flush to the playfield.
1. With the playfield upside down (the underside facing up), roughly center the disk assembly.
2. Working beneath the playfield, patiently fill the gaps between the disks and the playfield holes with toothpicks.
3. Keep filling in the gaps between the disks and the playfield until there is no more room to insert toothpicks.
4. Your disk housing will now be held in place by the toothpicks and stationary enough to mark the holes.
5. Leave the mech housing in place and pre-drill the playfield through the mech housing holes.
6. Secure the disk mech housing with screws
7. Remove the toothpicks and admire the perfectly centered disks
8. Adjust each disk so that it is barely above the playfield surface.
9. Grab a beer and celebrate.

I'm finally getting around to sorting through pictures.

You can use toothpicks to perfectly center the disks when you install a spinning disk mechanism on a new playfield or need to re-center it on an old playfield. After the disks are centered, you can then drill pilot holes on the bottom of the field (if your dimples are not aligned) and secure the entire mechanism.

Good luck.

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#3709 85 days ago

Gonna give this a shot today...

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#3710 85 days ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Gonna give this a shot today...
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Another new disc?

#3711 85 days ago
Quoted from yaksplat:

Another new disc?

Previously I just made a top cover for the right disc, since mine was damaged. Now I'm trying doing a full disc/gear. My center disc is making noises and seems to be warped, and the screws are stuck so I can't disassemble it.

It seems that my 3d printer has just barely enough resolution to do the teeth on the gears, so not sure how well they'll hold up yet. Figured I'd test on the smallest gear before spending like 7 hours printing the big one.

#3712 83 days ago

Should the right orbit return clean through the pops (without hitting them) to the flipper, or get caught in the pops and bounce around?

#3713 83 days ago
Quoted from Pinash:

Should the right orbit return clean through the pops (without hitting them) to the flipper, or get caught in the pops and bounce around?

The ball should hit the pops. On my original playfield, this is what happened.
When I replaced it with a Mirco reproduction, the ball originally came out of the orbit without hitting the pops.
I believe I ended up slightly bending the ball guide so the orbit shot hits the pops.

#3714 83 days ago
Quoted from zene10:

The ball should hit the pops. On my original playfield, this is what happened.
When I replaced it with a Mirco reproduction, the ball originally came out of the orbit without hitting the pops.
I believe I ended up slightly bending the ball guide so the orbit shot hits the pops.

I had to do the same thing.

#3715 83 days ago

One intermittent issues tackled with the drop target and another rears it’s head. Appears I have a sound issue. Jostled around ribbon cables and haven’t helped. I guess I need to go to socketed chips next. After the game has warmed up, occasionally the “well lookie here” callout won’t sound when it’s supposed to. And sometimes instead the “well lookie here, aye crackie, y’all come back now ya hear, Whirlwind” will play over and over again sounding like a dead battery. Goes away after ball drain. I guess my problem lies with whatever chip or rom handles those sounds because it’s very intermittent and doesn’t happen all the time. I did notice that after about an hour of playing last night the backbox was warm, not hot, but there was noticeable heat when I opened the backbox. Touched the sound board chips and nothing was scorching, everything was just warm. Any ideas?

#3716 83 days ago
Quoted from Jmckune:

One intermittent issues tackled with the drop target and another rears it’s head. Appears I have a sound issue. Jostled around ribbon cables and haven’t helped. I guess I need to go to socketed chips next. After the game has warmed up, occasionally the “well lookie here” callout won’t sound when it’s supposed to. And sometimes instead the “well lookie here, aye crackie, y’all come back now ya hear, Whirlwind” will play over and over again sounding like a dead battery. Goes away after ball drain. I guess my problem lies with whatever chip or rom handles those sounds because it’s very intermittent and doesn’t happen all the time. I did notice that after about an hour of playing last night the backbox was warm, not hot, but there was noticeable heat when I opened the backbox. Touched the sound board chips and nothing was scorching, everything was just warm. Any ideas?

If it was working fine before your work on the drop targets, I would look really close again at the cables and connections. Is there any old battery damage or anything like that?

#3717 83 days ago

It did this issue one time before I messed with the drop targets. The board looks super clean so I don’t think there is any acid damage. Some dust from sitting for a while but no mean green that I can see. It was stored without batteries in it.

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#3718 83 days ago

One of the sound roms on the CPU appeared to have a bad connection as I was able to push on it and it made a pretty good push down. Haven’t had any weird delays or missing sounds/sounds when not needed yet. Hopefully that was it

#3719 82 days ago

Someone has the file for the sticker behind the 3 discs?
Thanks

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#3720 82 days ago

Anyone had problems with the scoop not ejecting the first time?

About 1/10 times I go in the scoop, it'll register, play the eject warning sound, but seemingly not make any attempt to actually kick the ball. After a slight delay it'll play the warning sound again and eject successfully. Never had it take 3 times.

#3721 82 days ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Anyone had problems with the scoop not ejecting the first time?
About 1/10 times I go in the scoop, it'll register, play the eject warning sound, but seemingly not make any attempt to actually kick the ball. After a slight delay it'll play the warning sound again and eject successfully. Never had it take 3 times.

Once in a great while, but never 10%.

#3722 82 days ago
Quoted from yaksplat:

Once in a great while, but never 10%.

Same here

#3723 81 days ago

So after nothing happening for a few days, it seems like it’s back now. No random sounds but a high pitched tone. If it helps. The problem connection is the one between 1J16 on the CPU and J1 on the sound board. When I unplug that connector the sound stops. So the problem must be whatever components feed that connection. Any help?

#3724 81 days ago

Could low voltage from the power supply cause this? After it going crazy with that high tone I turned game off and back on and while the sound board initialized, the game didn’t boot. Flipped off again and it boot up fine. The power supply is original so I feel like it is definitely time for it to get rebuilt. Could low voltage trigger this weird sound issue?

#3725 81 days ago

If you already suspect that, you'll be chasing your tail instead of the problems until you confirm the PSU is good. You can use the test points on the PSU to see what they read, and if needed a rebuild is not hard. And yes, low voltage on the logic bus can cause random issues just like these, and/or yes sometimes only one feature or circuit is affected.

Keep in mind, the voltage exiting the PSU might be OK, but every load and/or faulty connector downstream is parasitic and will gradually lower it. WPC games are notorious for this, but Sys11 is a little more forgiving... still something to keep in mind.

#3726 81 days ago
Quoted from goingincirclez:

If you already suspect that, you'll be chasing your tail instead of the problems until you confirm the PSU is good. You can use the test points on the PSU to see what they read, and if needed a rebuild is not hard. And yes, low voltage on the logic bus can cause random issues just like these, and/or yes sometimes only one feature or circuit is affected.
Keep in mind, the voltage exiting the PSU might be OK, but every load and/or faulty connector downstream is parasitic and will gradually lower it. WPC games are notorious for this, but Sys11 is a little more forgiving... still something to keep in mind.

Yeah, check voltage on the PSU, and on the MPU, and on the sound board, make sure the 5V is okay in every place.

#3727 80 days ago

"Well lookey here!" I've joined the Whirlwind club with a very rough project one!

Currently I'm in the process of getting some 1/8A Slow blow fuses for the power supply as one of them was completely dead.

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#3728 80 days ago

I feel like my problem might be from the power supply board. Thinking of how the events happened, I had a crazy high pitched tone, turned off game, upon flipping the switch to turn back on game didn’t boot. Flipping off again the game did boot. I think maybe the craziness is being initiated by low voltage drops? The only sign I can see of maybe a little corrosion is on the SRCs directly above the batteries and even that I’m not sure of. One thing I am sure of though is that the power supply is original and overdue for rebuilding. Here’s the SRCs and current power supply state.
I went ahead and ordered new caps for the power supply because I know it’s time anyways. We will see if that solves the issue.

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#3729 80 days ago

I'd question this:
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Although you can't tell if it has damaged the nearby trace or not, and that mess might just be leftover flux. Are you planning on putting NVRAM in the machine anyways?

#3730 80 days ago

It looks like it’s just flux from whenever it got swapped out. Do those SRCs, specifically the one on the top right of my picture raise concern? That’s the only thing I can see. All 4 of those have a slightly different look than the other solder on things around it but that top right one is the worst looking to me

#3731 79 days ago
Quoted from ElectricLou:

Someone has the file for the sticker behind the 3 discs?
Thanks [quoted image]

IIRC I found it there http://www.pinballrebel.com/pinball/cards/ for my TAF which might be the same

#3732 79 days ago

Quick question. The wood around my spinners on my Whirlwind is a bit worn down. I saw a replacement decal (Marco?) that goes around that area, however, given that the wood is chewed up, I don't see how that could lay flat or look good.

Anybody figure out how to repair the wood around those spinners into nice crisp edges again?

Yeah... I'm nitpicking and thankful to have a pretty flawless Whirlwind.

-Rob

#3733 79 days ago
Quoted from rmf-pinball:

Quick question. The wood around my spinners on my Whirlwind is a bit worn down. I saw a replacement decal (Marco?) that goes around that area, however, given that the wood is chewed up, I don't see how that could lay flat or look good.
Anybody figure out how to repair the wood around those spinners into nice crisp edges again?
Yeah... I'm nitpicking and thankful to have a pretty flawless Whirlwind.
-Rob

I can’t comment on the tape option but if it matches it would be a easier fix. Otherwise taylorva sells new oak rails and I know he does WW as I bought them. He is on vacation now though but worth reaching out.

#3734 78 days ago

Does anybody know where to get the rubber bushings for sys 11 drop target boards? seems like every time i replace a 3-bank drop target board the new board does not have them and I have to switch over the crusty ones from the old board.

never mind found it https://www.pinballlife.com/grommet-for-pcb-boards.html

#3735 78 days ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Also, does anybody know where to get the rubber bushings for sys 11 drop target boards? seems like every time i replace a 3-bank drop target board the new board does not have them and I have to switch over the crusty ones from the old board.
never mind found it https://www.pinballlife.com/grommet-for-pcb-boards.html

I like to also order extra c clips, those things seem to disappear on me.

#3736 76 days ago

Has anyone tried these sideblades from Retro Refurbs? https://www.retrorefurbs.com/shop/whirlwind-pinball-sideblades/

I have concerns whether they would actually fit. The back of the side blades look like they would bump into the wood blocks that hold the backside flasher board and plastic. The tiltgraphics gameblades appear to be cut properly, so that it does not bump into those wooden blocks.

I was leaning a little towards the Retro Refurb design, but I don't want to get burned if they don't fit.

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#3737 76 days ago

I like the Tilt ones better, but it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to just cut them to fit.

#3738 74 days ago
Quoted from dmacy:

I can’t comment on the tape option but if it matches it would be a easier fix. Otherwise taylorva sells new oak rails and I know he does WW as I bought them. He is on vacation now though but worth reaching out.

What do you mean oak rails? I'm talking about the wood just around the spinners. My disks are nice and new, but, the wood around the opening is a bit beaten up. Unsure how to restore that.

#3739 74 days ago
Quoted from rmf-pinball:

What do you mean oak rails? I'm talking about the wood just around the spinners. My disks are nice and new, but, the wood around the opening is a bit beaten up. Unsure how to restore that.

I'm really not sure if there is a good way to do it. Anything that you apply on there, resin, wood filler, bondo, won't match well and would require sanding. I wouldn't think it's worth it unless you're doing a full restore including repainting the playfield.

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#3740 67 days ago

Big thanks to yaksplat for custom making me the diverter that my game was missing! It looks incredible! Need to go put it in

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#3741 67 days ago
Quoted from Jmckune:

Big thanks to yaksplat for custom making me the diverter that my game was missing! It looks incredible! Need to go put it in
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Glad it made it !

Fun side note. That shaft is the old shaft from my digger that I restored a few years back and the ball guide is leftover from a scrapped Rollergames pf. So, your diverter is partially 55+ years old and partially slightly newer than your game.

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#3742 67 days ago

And it fits perfect!

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#3743 67 days ago
Quoted from Jmckune:

And it fits perfect!
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That is awesome!

#3744 67 days ago

So, how is it playing?

#3745 67 days ago

Wow yaksplat, that's amazing. Very neighborly of you.

#3746 66 days ago

As expected! No hang ups and it’s directing it wonderfully!

#3747 64 days ago

Hello,

I picked up a Whirlwind recently and everything is working fine except the sound. It is experiencing the following issues:

1. "Feel the power of the wind" call out is not working. All other call outs are working ok but some have static and distortion.

2. In the sound test, all sounds work 00 - 06 but 07 is not working.. I am guessing that is the "Feel the power" one?

3. There is a noticeable hum that increases/decreases with the volume control inside the cabinet.

The machine has an original power supply and original sound board but does have a Rottendog MPU (MPU9211) with L1 sound and L3 game roms.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Rob

#3748 63 days ago
Quoted from robgo777:

Hello,
I picked up a Whirlwind recently and everything is working fine except the sound. It is experiencing the following issues:
1. "Feel the power of the wind" call out is not working. All other call outs are working ok but some have static and distortion.
2. In the sound test, all sounds work 00 - 06 but 07 is not working.. I am guessing that is the "Feel the power" one?
3. There is a noticeable hum that increases/decreases with the volume control inside the cabinet.
The machine has an original power supply and original sound board but does have a Rottendog MPU (MPU9211) with L1 sound and L3 game roms.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Regards,
Rob

Following this as I have EXACTLY the same issues. Same call outs missing, same hum. I have a new rottendog power supply I keep forgetting about which I must get round to installing.
The call outs randomly return sometimes. Strange!!!

#3749 63 days ago
Quoted from Sciddleybop1980:

Following this as I have EXACTLY the same issues. Same call outs missing, same hum. I have a new rottendog power supply I keep forgetting about which I must get round to installing.
The call outs randomly return sometimes. Strange!!!

I fixed the missing call out, ended up being U22. I removed, re-flashed, and installed and now I am getting the 07 call out in the sound test. Also, the "Feel the power of the wind" call out is working now. It is possible that just re-seating the EPROM fixed the issue but since I had it out anyways I went ahead and re-flashed it.

The hum is still present, but not really noticeable unless I crank the volume up. I "think" the static and distortion is better now as well, but it isn't crystal clear either so maybe that is just the way this game sounds? I do have stock speakers still so perhaps a speaker upgrade would help with that.

As for the hum, I believe it is the power supply. I am going to go ahead and order a new one since they are pretty inexpensive. If you install your rottendog one let me know if that fixes your hum.

Regards,

Robert

#3750 63 days ago
Quoted from robgo777:

I fixed the missing call out, ended up being U22. I removed, re-flashed, and installed and now I am getting the 07 call out in the sound test. Also, the "Feel the power of the wind" call out is working now. It is possible that just re-seating the EPROM fixed the issue but since I had it out anyways I went ahead and re-flashed it.

The hum is still present, but not really noticeable unless I crank the volume up. I "think" the static and distortion is better now as well, but it isn't crystal clear either so maybe that is just the way this game sounds? I do have stock speakers still so perhaps a speaker upgrade would help with that.
As for the hum, I believe it is the power supply. I am going to go ahead and order a new one since they are pretty inexpensive. If you install your rottendog one let me know if that fixes your hum.
Regards,
Robert

Just for comparisons sake, it takes about $20 and 20-30 mins to rebuild a power supply with new components and have far superior reliability than the rotten dog.

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