Would seem Hobbit would be in the running .

Lotsa (continuing) bitching about DI's theme...

BM66 has to be up their Mark, we both experinced that first hand.

But it’s great to see the perception has done a complete 180, so maybe BM66 is the most bitched about pin to most loved.

Gotta go with Game of Thrones.

At the time the pro had what was considered an absolutely baron PF and terrible art. Funny how it looks relatively packed now compared to some of the newer stuff. Art still sucks tho

Beatles, thunderturds, primus, rob zombie, oktoberfest, WWE, ghostbusters, and SW.

Personally, I like to bitch about DI, beatles, TNA, and primus...but I see a lot of people complaining about BM66, thunderbirds, and raven.

Houdini seems to take a beating all the time.

You're all wrong. The game that gets bitched about most is always the new release.

The games that are complained about the most are usually from the same handful of posters that seemingly search out every possible thread or mention of the game to write about their disdain. Usually because the game was built up so much ahead of time that basically nothing could live up to it.

Transformers and XMen come to mind here (not saying they are bad, just the same repetitive complaints grew old)

Games that are not potentially stellar licenses are given more of a pass in ongoing complaints, but are still subject to complaints. WWE for example.

Some start out as an ongoing gripefest, and then are forgiven due to code upgrades or objective playtime rather than reading reviews; they are then praised as awesome. Iron Man and TWD come to mind.

Aren't there TWO forum topics complaining about one specific Baywatch machine?

Yeah that’s just bitching about a for sale thread and to be fair a lot of it’s fairly justified when you mention the words collectors condition, immaculate etc etc and the game doesn’t even have legs

I’m waiting for Vireland to show up in here, which ever game comes out on top of this prestigious thread Vic was probably the one leading the bitch band with his graphs

Come to think of it I actually missed his BM66 graphs

I have to say Beatles and SW.

The Dutch Pinball "Big Lebowski" debacle
The Skit-B "Predator" debacle
The John Popadiuk "Magic Girl" debacle
The Mr Pinball Australia "Medieval Madness Remake" debacle

Star Wars for the win

Very true

WOZ. If you weren’t around here during that, it got vicious. It was an ongoing tirade for a while. I got myself banned for a bit. As I recall that game changed Pinside quite a bit. It instigated the whole warning system Pinside uses, and the escalating bans. It was crazy for a while.

Any game that can change the very way an online community works is worth of winning this “poll”.

I’m starting to realise your drawn to dramatic pins, WOZ, BM66, Alien even KISS has had its fair bit of heated drama.

Your love for this hobby it’s endless

Yep. I vote Predator, new Jflop pins, Lebowski, Alien. Any pins where people were literally robbed should be near the top of this list.

Most continued bitching isn’t about the pins with consensus major problems - it’s about controversial pins that a portion of the community likes quite a bit while the portion that doesn’t tries to overcompensate for the positivity with extra negativity. I think the biggest offenders are Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Batman 66, and Wizard of Oz. Each of these pins have been majorly successful with certain segments of the community.

Still no color dmd for Hercules.....ffs....

It was an imamaculate game and even a better imamaculate thread!

I'd say Ghostbusters because:

- wide flipper gap
- linear game play
- playfield quality issues
- code

Each of those have caused a shitstorm here. There's probably some stuff I'm forgetting.

Thunderbirds has to be a close second.

Maybe some games deserve it, but in true Pinside fashion there have been many that didn't. Remember all the bitching about ACDC when it the first pictures showed up? Then slowly but surely people realized that it is a great game. Funny thing is the haters around here never really stick around long enough to eat crow in those cases. Another classic was the early bitching about Star Trek and especially STLE. I remember a few members who were doing anything they could to torpedo that game saying it would be selling for $5000 within a few months. Funny that STLE currently is considered one of the best LEs Stern has put out and still sells for more than I paid NIB. ST is another great game.

Dialed In wins for the largest amount of petty bitching. People loved the layout, the designer, the shots, the code, and universally agreed it had plenty of depth. They just couldn't get past the theme.

this topic is directly relative to women. Everyone likes something different and for every good one there’s 10 guys sick of playing with her!

Di is the best game iv ever played. I love the theme but love original concepts and hate franchises. Take jj pirates for example. Looks amazing but why do I need to see the face of 50 actors in little circles everywhere? What does this have to do with pinball? Plus I’d rather my money go into design than franchise rights.

This argument does not stand up. Franchise rights are usually $50 or less per machine from what I understand. For that $50 you basically get nearly ready made artwork, characters, music and even video clips. The cost of developing that in house is more than $50. Sure in the old days with EMs and solid state games it was the way to go because it was just a few images that needed to be developed. Now we have high res everywhere, LCD displays, stereo sound, etc. It takes an army to develop the art/sound/video package on a pinball machine these days even with a franchise.

Not to mention that the public these days want a familiar licensed theme. Look at slot machines. Say what you will about themes like DI and I am glad you enjoy it. You will never convince me that DI would not have sold at least twice as many games if it was a good licensed theme like Led Zeppelin or even Toy Story.

Every. Single. Game. Released.

Supreme

I am amongst those that hate the DI theme. I will admit that the gameplay is nice, so i usually play it once or twice when i see it at a barcade, but i would never own it.
To each their own, I suppose.
It certainly would have sold better and would do much better with a license.

Oktoberfest, on the other hand, sounds very interesting. I cant wait to play it.

Ghostbusters

Yeah I agree. Houdini is a lot of fun and this game looks even better. I like original themes as much as the next guy despite the understanding of why most games really need to have one to make money. AFM is one of my favorite games ever and my most anticipated game this year is the Steve Ritchie unlicensed machine. Can't wait to see that.

When this game first came out it was actually received pretty well. The bitching has increased exponentially since then though!

It has to be WOZ. That pin had the perfect shitstorm. Years to develop, preorder dollars, high price (at the time), new company, so-so theme, and Jack himself on Pinside stirring the pot.