I'm WAY interested!!! I really think it only needs to be done where the plastic flap lives. Honestly, once I pitched the game to just over 7, I can't get the ball to fly off anymore, but having a powdered wireform instead of that plastic would really look better ( imho) and be functional, as well.
I've got a local machine shop that will make me anything, but I'd be willing to purchase a replacement ramp, as I can't stand having the game down too long....lmk what you find....mark

On a related note ( sort of), I'm taking my lockdown bar to my local powder coat shop, as I have an idea to ditch that decal, once and for all!!!....will keep you posted.

I really like the game, so for me, worth the effort....

Being the black sparkle powder coat on the armor is sort of tied in, I was thinking red sparkle for the habitrail, as well as the bat emblem on the lockdown....think it would look perfect. Can I get it done locally? Absolutely. Expensive as hell for a one off small job? Absolutely.

Hopefully there are enough on here that want to finish the hardware properly, that someone will step up and offer it at a ( somewhat) reasonable price....

PM sent....

Yes......it shall be the proper fix.....no plastic....very excited!!!!

Way in front of you!!!!....we have discussed several things, all of which will improve the ramp performance, while looking " factory"

The left wireform is the biggie for me...no doubt that thing can be " finished off" the way I suspect it might have been meant to be....

It has to be braced more to take the wiggle out, partial cage and pitch adjustment up top, metal at the catwoman entrance, so yep, pretty much a nice, tidy, total replacement. Very excited to get this sorted....

Of course, I'm in!!!..pm'd you yesterday, late.....super excited to get started....I know this will be a must have!!!....

I believe they will look more "factory" than the originals, actually. Imagine....no plastic flapper add on....ramp pitched and attached properly so the wiggle is gone, back height corrected ( no more " shim city"). The left ramp will transform from " wiggly smooth" to " fast, solid, and ultra smooth ".

Suspect this will be the best mod that no one but you knows was added.....

Pm'd Matt on progress on his prior commitment...will let you know when it's our turn...hopefully soon...

New ramp w new code...the best is yet to come....exciting times ahead for this pin, for sure!!!

Matt responded, saying hes still working out CAD for his customer in front of us,so it would be a bit before he would start, but was exxited to get on the ramp project for us...

Chicago...and he is the man when it comes to this stuff. Very excited!!!...mark

Just heard from Matt yesterday....let the synergy begin!!!

Yikes......crazy month.....I pm'd Matt tonight, actually ( was thinking about it myself, then noticed the thread posts). Will update when we get going ( I've got the measurements...going to add detail to some pics and sketches)...hopefully a fun summer mod for BM66!!!!

Agreed....I've got mine " mocked " in shape, and flows great!!!....the "solid" new one should make it really blaze....

Pics and notes w measurements to Matt. A great time to work on this as we wait for Code.....

Kind of hoping weeks ( but up to him, he's making them)...Matt has all the info, and everything pretty much sorted.

This will be full left wireform and ramp replacement.

a) No wiretie hole through the ramp
b) 2 more anchor points w proper pitch up top to make it rock solid
c) Single wire habitrail w 3 rings to replace the plastic
d) flat plate to attach cat woman plastic
e) integral ball deflector on the front edge to keep balls from getting stuck
f) Think he will offer different colors ( I'm sticking w red on my LE, but will be more vibrant

Definitely will be a factory looking piece...I'm sure Matt will chime in....

I've also been experimenting with different rubber ring configs on lower turntable to increase ball flow and eliminate premature wear on the out edge of that one damn ring to the right of the Batphone....

The original "CAT" is riveted to the plastic, which is then screwed to the ramp. We're taking the entire plastic out, so will need a flat plate w 2 holes to reattach...rivet or small screw ( I'll rivet mine).

No, you will be able to flip it ( like I did mine), and the metal nubs will not be there, ao it will be clean, but not change ramp spacing/ geometry

Thanks for the confidence....this will be the best mod no one knows youve done...pretty excited....

Just the left for now, as the other one is pretty solid. He may offer to powdercoat custom colors, but that's his call. I'm convinced when the ramp assembly is solid ( as I suspect they were going for but ran out of time) it's going to be very, very fast and clean flowing....

Agreed....and not seeing that wire-tie hole or huge containment plastic will certainly add to the beauty of the game....

Dying myself here....getting some powdercoat done on my coindoor, shooter housing, and trick lockdown bar, so machine will be down, perfect time to pull my ramp and send for the proto. PM'd Matt on Monday...will hit his email tomorrow....mark

Fully anticipate it now......

Update: Ramp finally getting out the door for Matt to send back POC in short order....very excited....coin door and shooter housing already at PC for black sparkle treatment, and a potential deadly mod to replace the decal on lockdown bar underway.

This should surely get code to drop this week!!!

The new ramp will be a red sparkle powder. I'm having him do the same red sparkle for the emblem, powdered in place of the decal. Also took the bat gadget sticker to a custom engraving shop...having them recreate, identically, in a thin, engraved plastic, which should look much better (to me anyway).

Yep....my thought is the ramp, once completed ( engineering/testing wise) will be powdered in a brighter, sparkle red ( keeping w LE color scheme). The same red will be used to replace the bat decal on lockdown bar. The text will be identical to sticker, but made of engraved plastic. Package should really look/ function great, and not be " over the top" at all, but rather a stock looking mod. I dont like stickers on the lockdown bar.

Saw a pic of the ramp today!!!....he's accessorizing, and I should have it later in the week for testing....I'll send pics ...we're close!!!

Sneak pic in the BM66 Club thread....gorgeous and functional!!!

UPDATE- wireform is shipping back to me tomorrow, I'll reinstall and start testing, along with some pics....very excited!!!

Ok...for clarity, Matt from Doom pinball fame is actually making these, and will eventually provide units for sale once we work the wrinkles out. I've been working with him providing needed info and ideas...using my machine as the guinea pig.

Lots of effort has been put in to this, and should be a must have mod. I'll take it step by step when it shows up, explaining how to put it in, where new attachment point is, and other stuff, then play the crap out of it to insure it is wireform heaven.

Having a plastic flap put over a wobbly ramp just didn't do the game justice, imho. This should be good.....mark

Behold.....the 1st test version of "BM ramp of zoom"!!!!!!

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First things first before I go put this thing in....

See these pics:

Being there is plastic on the other side, Ive decide to start with simply cutting the plastic back at a slight angle , but small, to " match the plastic on the right.

I've ordered a set of sample, translucent acrylics, which I will use to change both of the clears out with ( sample size is plenty big, and only $20).

Left side will definitely have the red ( as ramp will be red sparkle). Haven't decided on the right yet, as the playfield is purple, w yellow/ orange swirl, but inlanes are blue. Feel free to chime in your thoughts, as right ramp will be purple sparkle to match catwoman s outfit.

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Going to get at it now, and will post w pics when I get it installed. Remember, ignore the ramp...we're testing wireform flow now. He's making the ramp without the wiretie hole, and will have attachment under for wire.

First shots of it installed ( not adjusted), the thing is already crazy solid!!! Note the reinforcement at the diverter bolt ( that loop will need to be tidied a bit). You can see switch location. I'm going to solder these, and obviously there will be holes drilled to permanentaly mount it ( suspect Matt will provide the cable to molex, as well.

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Actually fit to the ramp. A bit of adjusting here of the wires, but looks smooth. Included shot of ramp ball travel...pretty cool...

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First ball fires by hand....HOLY BATSHIT!!!! Unbelievably smooth and fast....going to solder those 2 wires, and play on this damn thing....unbelievable solid, zero wiggle in ramp, and ball not coming out...current pitch on playfield...7.1

I'm interested in which plexi colors you think might look best

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Left definitely red ( small one)....leaning light blue on the right....here's the game under color

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I was too busy playing....... ramp is lightning quick and doesn't wiggle at all....what a change!!! No flapper here, please...I hit the ramp hard several times....never came close to an air ball....

I'll drag my son down here and see if I can get some video on his iPhone....I'm an average player....don't judge!!!!!

Couple pics of the man behind this...BM won't mind

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Ok...got my Son to use his IPhone to grab a shot. Nothing sped up, and obviously machine looks much better than this, but you get the idea:

I'll dig around ( or buy ) a camcorder and tripod, so you can watch in better action. The thing is awesome!!! Thank you Matt!!!....a couple of tweaks, and on for a colored set....

Will do...bribing my Son to use this IPad and shoot overhead for some better pics.....

Switch, btw

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Two more looks:

Matt making the ramps now. Wireform will be available in different colors. I'm still going red sparkle ( tiny silver flake) on left, and " batgirl sparkle" on the right. Staying w silver flake, as that's what's on the armor.

I'm not sure how Matt will roll these out, and no clue what he is charging, but can tell you he is a great guy to work with, and the design is both beautiful and functional ( you'll probably be the only one who notices, however, because it looks like it belongs in the game).

Very, very solid, and couldn't be happier. I'll send Matt an email tonight w the few finishing touch requests, and forward him the list of all who have shown interest.

I now have to pick the right side plastic color

I think the thing I like most...doesn't look like a mod at all....Son in Law coming tomorrow...we shall thrash it, even w old code....

Keep in mind, the install is pretty much bolt in, and plug and play, if Matt includes the switch pigtail. You will need to cut the plastic flap out of the way, however, and if you choose to change the plastic colors, you'll have to rivet the cats to the new color. No biggie, but just a heads up.

Inside, and thats how the ramp will be made to accommodate....orbit always going to be tight on this game, but ramp symetry is spot on.

Moving it over wasnt going to happen. Everything real tight back there.

Yep, I can still hit the orbut fine w a clean shot euther way, but that extra room doesn't hurt.

There will be an attachment pount under tge new ramp to secure the wire, making it tidey and out of the way.

Agreed....you can grab the original and its very wobbly. Id see it everytime...drove me crazy, and has to slow the ball to a degree.

The new one you can grab and is very very solid and stable. The first video I took ( crappy one) was probably the fastest Ive seen the ball move through the form. I'd argue the new ramp is actually faster, but probably not dramatically so.

Its shown on the very first pic, when I cut the flap off, leaving approx 1 1/2" of original plastic on.

The cat is screwed to an angle plate, which is riveted to the plastic, then attached to ramp w 2 screws.

I was going to eliminate the plastic all together, and replace w a small, flat piece of steel which you could then rivet the angle to.

Looking for symetry, however, the right ramp has a plastic as well ( non functional excetp to hold the cat up), so decided to keep a small, clean puece on the left.

I'll be replacing both of mine w colored lexan ( red on the left, thinking light blue on the right). This will require you to rivet the angle piece back on.

You dont have to do that...can simply cut the whole flap crap off just behind the wire pass, and screw to new ramp. This is what I did for testing.

Hopefully Matt and I can talk soon to sort pricing, availability, colors, etc. I know hes coming into his "off" Season at work in October, and said he could start building in quantity then.

Im sure he would...going to leave my ramps silver and just color the forms...a bit more standard looking for me.

As far as the plastics.....if you like the red sparkle, purple sparkle approach...the left plastic is a no brainer, translucent red. The right one is still making me scratch my head.

Batgirl purple not the same as the crane purple, and there is a definite blue hue back there from the inlanes. When you light the machine, you'll see what Im talking about...still sort of on the fence on what color that plastic should be. Given Im doing my ramp batgirl purple sparkle, opinions are welcome, as Im not a great color guy....

I think the one feature that blindsided me ( it doesn't take much) is the new switch config. What an AMAZING idea!!!. I never thought about it, and Matt suggested " why do we need that big ass gate for the switch" and showed me some pictures. Sometimes the little things make the biggest difference. Now it's virtually invisible, and doesn't detract from the Atomic Pile visually.

And the way he did the 3/4 rings for the habitrail look so cool in person. The whole ramp flows exactly how I'd schemed it...looks like a roller coaster turn, and the ball never offers to jump off the ramp, but rather " nestles in" for the ride.

I'm afraid this attention to detail can only come on a true boutique type effort, however. So glad we have one of those guys doing this for us.

Easily the best mod I've ever done that no one will ever notice ( except those of us that dealt with the floppy, plastic covered, ball launch original, with a wire tie in the ramp). I love this machine, or wouldn't have put in the effort...but for the life of me can't believe it wasn't finished properly ( or still running unfinished code a year later)...saddens me more than anything...such an iconic theme...( guess I'm too picky....)

Thought about even going off the wall w orange...that's why I bought the swatch ( in the picture) for $20.)

You are......yep..all LE's black w large silver flake

Update:

Got to talk to Matt a bit today, shared some thoughts, and I got to put about 2 more hours on the machine. What I know:

a) Ramp is ABSOLUTELY faster than the original. It just doesn't move ( as it shouldn't), and the flow with the changed pitch is very noticeable. When you hit a solid ramp shot, it flies through the form.
b) ZERO air balls, and man, I was hitting it a lot.
c) Matt stated he will have some time in his schedule after expo to start building these. He will be offering the ramp, wireform, and switch assembly. He will NOT be offering the plastics, if you choose to change them. You'll only need to cut the flap off as I showed in one of the pics yesterday, if you choose to keep the original clear. Other than that, you good to go. I'm making a colored set for mine, as mentioned, and am sure someone can provide these for you, if you want to go that route.
d) I'll post the list I have of those interested on this thread by tomorrow evening. Will add/ modify over the following week or so, then give him a copy, and he'll take it from there. I've got about 20 interested right now.
e) He can speak to color options, price, etc., as everything from that point on will go through him.
f) I highly encourage you to consider this mod ( I'm not involved fiscally one way or the other), as it truly makes the game play better, with a fast, solid, left ramp.
g) I'll post pics of final end product, when everything gets powdered, etc. of my machine. Anticipating shortly after Expo.

A HUGE thank you to Matt, who brought his skills into this, making it a better game for all of us. Thanks....mark

No....the goal was to get the new form pitched properly, and solid, all of which would provide for better ramp action ( = speed/ flow). The new switch clears up the visual of a huge gate assembly, plus provides even less resistance to the ball as it goes by. Doesn't affect speed that much, but every bit helps, plus now it's virtually invisible, making the game look better , imho.

Solid , fast forms rock. You will like it...a lot. Soft shots go normal ( slower), but if you nail it, very fun to watch and prepare for.

I'm super excited for the final, colored package as well. Wont be too long now ( a bit after expo).

Trust me, you will like the extra speed....not dangerous like an orbit thats hit just right, because it still just drops in the flipper lane. But it can get there in a hurry...fun to watch, and now a very satisfying shot when you hit it with pace.

Whew...long day of kids soccer...here's my first stab at the list of who is interested in the wireform/ ramp mod. No particular order, and of course, nothing committing you to buy this ( I don't even know what he'll be charging). Please PM me if I accidentally missed you, or you want to be added ( I know there are several I missed).

I'll pass on to Matt in a couple of weeks or so , and he can start sorting:

mufcmufc
Jayg1981
BackFlipper
Racerx61
Pfunk237
docquest
Pinbalt
Mayboyz
jfh
cooked71
Sethman
J85M
thundergod76
Sutol
Squizz
Pinballpal
Fishbeadtwo
wcbu64
iceman44
Maca101010
rockrand

I've already added 4 more blatant oversights on my part to the list....sorry. That's why I'm posting it.

Reminder- Matt won't be doing the plastics ( right side unchanged, just color options, left side definitely shorter, and color options). I've reached out to a couple of Pinside modders to see if they're interested, as my hope is they can be sourced and purchased separately from a single provider. Will let you know what I find out.

You have two choices on how to proceed w plastics:

Easy way- leave the right alone and just cut the left yourself ( like my pic) and you're good.

Harder way- replace both plastics with colored versions. Right plastic identical in size, left will be the custom size. You will need to drill out rivets from the Cat brackets from original, and re-rivet to each of the new plastics. Not a biggie if you have the tool.

I'll make sure to add pics when I put the final assembly in my machine. This is really not that hard ( I'm sure it sounds harder than it actually is...pics will help).

No worries....the Cat assembly attaches to a bracket w 2 screws. The bracket is riveted to the plastic. Easiest to take the Cat led assembly off, then drill out the rivets. Reverse process when installing new plastics.

Too funny Matt....we have ESP!!...literally just logged on and saw this post. I'm going to cut mine this way, using color swatches I got from eplastics. The one I cut for the demo form was done this way, and looks fine. I'll probably play w a few until the colors get sorted.

Checked w Matt today....a bit longer until he can get the ramps started.....Im sure he'll be posting soon....

Just PM me and Ill add you to the list...

Yep.....

Matt will be building, selling them, and hasn't shared any pricing yet. It will be a completely new ramp/ wireform to replace the existing one, so I have no idea. The proto is still playing flawlessly, btw. Just a nice, solid, great flowing ramp/ form. I've tried everything I know to get the ball to jump the rail, or even shake...hasn't happened once.

Remember, the list is simply for people interested, so he can gauge production. He has stated they will be available in multiple colors, and does not desire to use any type of "prepay" format.

Suspect once his schedule opens up (shortly) to make these, he will provide all info, and turnaround will be pretty quick.

He's shared some of the other projects he's involved with in PB land....man, did we find the right guy!!!!....mark

you got it....!!!

I had you down already......

Yep...

Sorry man...just saw it....sent the list to Matt yesterday....I’ll pm your question responses...

Great question. Matt is deciding that now (contacted me last night. I'm sure it's not included in the price, and he might offer separately is my thought.) I'm sure he'll jump in w clarity.

I'm definitely getting one without the wiretie hole....

I'm doing purple sparkle for mine

Matt found some great color choices for mine (both the red and purple)...I'm sure he will clarify. The right ramp is not being redone, except for powder, btw...plays fine.

I'm going to change the plastic above the scoop (identical in shape, just light blue) and create a mini plastic (red) for the new left ramp (just for looks, not function). It's going to have that cool slope form Matt added to the wireform.....should be a subtle but badass little mod...

Too funny!!!!

I know Matt is slammed at work still, but trust me, I’m as anxious as everyone to get this final, powdered beauty in the machine.....with all the other cool mods coming out, a beautiful, functional wireform is really going to finish this thing up, from a gameplay standpoint ( as we wait for code, of course)....

Believe he is open to anything prismatic powders offers, but will let him chime in.....

Will do.I heard from Matt yesterday, and stated he was committed to getting these done. His summer business has taken longer to get ramped down due to the warm Fall, but was anxious to get on these.

Just heard from Matt.....he is starting the support rings now, as he's aware he'll need "a million" of them.........it's happening, it's happening!!!!!

And just to throw some more fun in the mod world, my metal fab guy said he " might" be interested in doing a run of my chrome (w red epoxy lined) Batman emblem lockdown bar if there is enough interest. I would HIGHLY suggest getting a look at this one, so you have choices.....hope to have some pics on that one (installed on my machine) the week after Thanksgiving.

Next for me.....our beloved turntable and spinner assemblies need some shoring up....a bit too much play in both for me, and receive constant bashing from the ball. This is going to be the key toy in the game, and must be rock solid.....updates to come

Batman approves.......

Couldn't agree more!!!!!

Agreed....Ive got the van too, but not going to mount until my final, powdered version is in. Ive been playing w the proto ramp installed with zero problems since day one

For me, it is!!! It exactly covers the stickers w proper contour, heavy chrome plating ( that will reflect the light from the button nicely), and have a nice, epoxy filled red line approx 1/8 inside the emblem, tracing the logo.

Was going for a classy centerpiece, themed in armor colors ( button insert still black), that provided a nice " frame" for all the campy colors inside the playfield.

This game deserves a true classy badge..its the perfect spot. I go bug him Tuesday...

UPDATE: Matt busy making the rings, and wireforms very soon to follow!!!! I'm very excited as I will be taking the machine down for a bit (for the upgrade process on several fronts). Hoping to have a teaser pic of the chromed lockdown bat symbol to show very soon as well. Will do my best to bribe him to make more. Also will provide a bit more detail w pics on how I lit @yelobird's awesome Atomic pile....worth a look....

I don't sell mods, but do (sometimes) pretty extensive upfits, just to personalize my machines. Fun stuff to keep my wheels spinning on something besides work......

Bumped Matt last night....visiting machine shop tomorrow on lockdown emblem update. Tis the season to have family and friends, but figured I'd reach out a bit......

Just heard from Matt...he apologized for unexpected delay, but assured me the ramps are getting done, and no way he was abandoning us. Hopefully, not much longer for the final deal!!!!! Can't wait for this killer ramp (even my proto, unfinished version looks as good as it plays)!!!

Did some "prep mods" to the ramp areas, as this will save time when Matt's final wireform arrives ( the reality...even master pinball craftsman/ modders mostly have a day job to pay the bills, hence the delay)....anyway....

Some pics attached showing the metal bracket you will need to fab in order to attach the Catwoman plastics to the ramp. The Catwoman plastic is screwed to an angle bracket, which is currently riveted to the plastic. With no plastic flap (thankfully) needed, there has to be something to rivet to. I chose to rivet w the head up, as they look better. Not sure why Stern riveted upside down, unless they felt over time, the ball would wear the bottom of the rivet out (?)
Not complicated...nice and clean. You'll see the shape of the proto ramp behind it.

Then got adventuresome and made the right side blue plastic to match the blue inlane lights....looks great...really enhances a nice glow that is already present....disclaimer, I hand cut this so not as clean as Yelobird could do w his waterjet (hint), but you get the idea.

I think someone could easily offer these as a " ramp attachment/ enhancement kit" but not me, as I don't really have the right tooling to bang these out. Possible offer it w the bracket already riveted on, so those that don't have the tool would only need a screwdriver to install

All in all, a nice productive "pre mod" session, as I (we) anxiously wait for the new ramp.

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Completely agree...I'll PM you with the info. Had hoped Matt would make these "turnkey" w a new ramp (without the wiretie holes), but he's only committed to the wireform, switch combo. Want to make this as easy as possible for people to deploy, and suspect you can bang out the pieces in a heartbeat (I did the countersunk screw/ nut thing on my TZ, but bought a riveting tool awhile back for ramp entrance flaps, so I agree w you there, as well......mark

It's my hope that it will be. Turnkey, yes. Drop in? Not quite, but close. If everything goes smoothly, you will only need a screwdriver, nutdriver, along with about 45 minutes to install.

He said proto was done....Ive gotta take my lockdown over there to insure it fits right ( wouldnt leave it because Im playing the game alot.... If everything fits, he'll chrome the top, and were good.

Anxious to get over there...

I have verbal updates on status of availability of new ramp, wireform, and lockdown emblem, but not going to post until I get firm availability dates to pass on.

Know they are coming (I've put too much effort into the damn things on my end), and will be relentless to insure these are available to the community...mark

It's a good thing us BM66 guys are a patient bunch....can assure you this wait is going to be worth it. Keeping mine to the end, so I'll have a long time to enjoy this tricked out machine!!!!!

Yes

and yes. Promised Matt I wouldnt post an absolute production date until he was sorted, time wise, but these ARE getting made....

Doesn't impact the orbit, but sneeze guard is gone, and the wireform has different pitch (not as "flat"), allowing it to "settle" in, as well as matching the steep pitch of the ramp better. Creates a very satisfying, fast return when hit with pace.

The wire he uses is a slightly heavier gauge, and is very, very solid (yes more solid than even after the bandaid fix offered). The extended plastic and brace helped, but not like this.

Bottom line - works like it should, solid and fast, not to mention beautiful in it's own, subtle way...easily the best mod no one will ever know you put on (think I said that early on in the thread once I got the proto installed). Can't wait to have a final version, red sparkle!!!

Matt wont take preorder $$$ period. He has a current list ( a few missing) and is going to build a substantial run, then reach out to those for the color they want, powder and sell.

Im sure he'll want the money when you place the order .

Not sure how long hes going to do the run...think there are around 50 or so on the list...havent looked in awhile.

Yelobird also works with metal, so I'm sure he'll have a good solution for the needed bracket/ crosspiece.. Remember, no plastic on the new ramp/ wireform combo. A bracket will need to be fashioned to attach the cat plastic to a metal crosspiece. I made mine in preparation (and have the proto in place so had to). Posted it a few pages back. Mine was 2 pieces, but believe it can possibly be made with one......

I re-riveted the cat back, but think he may be thinking of using countersunk screw/ nut assembly. Regardless, time is getting close, and I'll insure the wireform is a complete kit that is as easy as possible to upfit.

When all details are sorted, and Matt can start cranking these out, I'll have the rest sorted

very nice!!! suspect that entire thing can be one piece...Yelobird is probably looking precisely at that....

If I could just get the community to convince him we NEED a light blue #17 plastic for the right ramp, I'm first in line....

No worries...don't have the wireforms rolling yet, but soon.....now about that #17 plastic above the right ramp...please!!

Added...

yep (think already had you down)

got it......

added to the list, as well...hoping to hear from Matt this week....