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Where to buy ground braid

By amkoepfer

3 years ago


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    #1 3 years ago

    Im trying to finally finish my kiss restoration and i need ground braid. Not the flat strap, but the round braid for the backbox. I ordered from pinrestore last time, but i went to place my order for just braid and it said shipping was 17 dollars. I figure there has to be a cheapef place, but i can only find flat strap

    #2 3 years ago

    http://pinrestore.com/Supplies.html Half way down the page, bare wire. Will that work ?

    LTG : )

    #3 3 years ago

    Check your local hardware store in the aisle with chain that can be purchased by the foot.
    I remember seeing round braid at Home Depot or Lowe’s sold by the foot

    #4 3 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    http://pinrestore.com/Supplies.html Half way down the page, bare wire. Will that work ?
    LTG : )

    Sorry, pinrestore was the site that had 17 dollar shipping. Ill have to check hardware stores

    #5 3 years ago
    Quoted from amkoepfer:

    Sorry, pinrestore was the site that had 17 dollar shipping.

    Quoted from amkoepfer:

    I ordered from pinrescue last time, but i went to place my order for just braid and it said shipping was 17 dollars.

    Didn't know that from your post.

    LTG : )

    #6 3 years ago

    I’ll probably never heard the end of it but I used this throughout my Mata Hari and it works great. Ace Hardware. Same gauge that came off the machine but packaged as “picture wire” what a sin!!! Metal is metal.
    $3

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    #7 3 years ago

    Hey, if it's the same or similar to what came off and it takes solder, it's a win.
    Good idea!

    #8 3 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Didn't know that from your post.
    LTG : )

    Ya, i get my pinball sites confused sometimes, edited original post

    #9 3 years ago
    Quoted from mrm_4:

    I’ll probably never heard the end of it but I used this throughout my Mata Hari and it works great. Ace Hardware. Same gauge that came off the machine but packaged as “picture wire” what a sin!!! Metal is metal.

    Did it take solder well?

    #10 3 years ago

    I think you want flat tinned copper braid. I forget the size specifications but maybe someone else can chime in. You can order this its of places, even Amazon.

    #11 3 years ago

    I think pinrestore only charges their actual shipping costs. They have a high estimate but then refund the extra.

    #12 3 years ago
    Quoted from amkoepfer:Did it take solder well?

    I think it did great but I’m a rookie. Not sure if a pic helps justify but here’s an example...

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    #13 3 years ago

    Cheapest place I ever found was a HAM radio supply store on the internet. They use the exact same stuff and I remember it being cheap! I used it on my The Shadow. I'll see if I can find a link

    #14 3 years ago

    McMaster Carr has both sizes. Look under Grounding Braid. I order it by the roll from there.
    Mike

    #15 3 years ago

    Thanks for all the help! Incredibly fast responses. If they do actual shipping charges ill probably order from them and see, or just try the picture wire idea. Pretty sure i have some of that laying around

    #16 3 years ago

    Please report back with what you eventually order, price and supplier.

    #17 3 years ago

    Pinrestore does refund all excess shipping charges back to your card. I used their bare wire ground braid in the game I’m currently restoring. It’s certainly not the cheapest option, but the quality is excellent.

    #18 3 years ago

    I just bought picture wire, im going to give it a try. 3 bucks for 25 feet is pretty good....if it accepts solder well. If it doesnt ill buy from pinrestore.

    #19 3 years ago

    I think Matt is right:

    - For the lightbox panel and underside of the playfield, the picture wire is perfect and matches exactly the original Bally wire.
    - For the main cabinet, you want to use flat ground braid available from Pinball Life for example. This one is not cheap... $5 a foot.

    Yves

    #20 3 years ago
    Quoted from Arcane:

    I think Matt is right:
    - For the lightbox panel and underside of the playfield, the picture wire is perfect and matches exactly the original Bally wire.
    - For the main cabinet, you want to use flat ground braid available from Pinball Life for example. This one is not cheap... $5 a foot.
    Yves

    I have the flat braid already, i think i got it from marco. I had the round braid i bought a long time ago from pinrestore but ran out and it was so long ago i forgot about the shipping being refunded. This project has been over 2 years in the making and im ready to get it done. Playfield is swapped, still waiting on the owner to finish the cab stencils, in the meantime i have the light box to do and he wants me to put an overlay on a silverball mania which stripping that playfiepd is my project for today

    #21 3 years ago
    Quoted from Arcane:

    I think Matt is right:
    - For the lightbox panel and underside of the playfield, the picture wire is perfect and matches exactly the original Bally wire.
    - For the main cabinet, you want to use flat ground braid available from Pinball Life for example. This one is not cheap... $5 a foot.
    Yves

    FYI, Pinball Life is not selling at $5/ft, it is actually reasonably priced for tinned braid.

    Flat Tinned Copper Ground Braid - 5 Feet
    Unit Price: $5.00
    5-10 feet - $1.00 per foot
    15-20 feet - $0.92 per foot
    25-30 feet - $0.81 per foot
    35-40 feet - $0.75 per foot
    45-50 feet - $0.70 per foot
    60 feet - $0.65 per foot
    70 feet - 0.60 per foot
    80 feet - 0.55 per foot
    100 feet - 0.50 per foot
    150 feet - $0.45 per foot
    200 feet - $0.40 per foot

    https://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=catalog&mode=search&search_in=all&search_str=braid

    #22 3 years ago

    Brypten,

    You are absolutely right. My mistake. I actually ordered about 20 feet from Pinball Life a few days ago.
    The quality is excellent.

    Yves

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    #23 3 years ago

    I picked up 100ft of 1/8" flat braid off ebay from seller acdcwireandsupply. Search for:

    100' Ft Flat Braided Tinned Copper Wire 1/8" Wide Ground Strap USA

    I paid $40 shipped.

    #25 3 years ago

    Good price, but i needed round braid for backbox lighting. Seems like that is a little harder to find than the flat cabinet braid. The picture wire is coming together though. Cheap solution for round braid

    #26 3 years ago

    Isn't picture wire zinc plated steel?

    Isn't the bare wire tin plated copper?

    I'm pretty sure one of these conducts electricity much better than the other....

    #27 3 years ago
    Quoted from BobLangelius:

    Isn't picture wire zinc plated steel?
    Isn't the bare wire tin plated copper?
    I'm pretty sure one of these conducts electricity much better than the other....

    You’re probably right, but at 6 volts over 3 feet we probably lose 0.0000000089 of a volt.

    1 year later
    #28 2 years ago

    What soldering iron and solder did you use bc mine is soldering the lamp sockets great but im having a hard time doing the ground braid to the sockets.it seems like it wont get hot enough

    #29 2 years ago
    Quoted from radfordian3505:

    What soldering iron and solder did you use bc mine is soldering the lamp sockets great but im having a hard time doing the ground braid to the sockets.it seems like it wont get hot enough

    Might not be the issue, but try to avoid lead free solder. It works, but has a higher melting point. Definitely not as easy to work with as 60/40 or 63/37 lead solder with rosin. Don't use plumbers rosin, it's very corrosive (i.e. not electronics friendly).

    Answering your original question - I would think a 40W would be fine. Might want to get a chisel tip (i.e. wide) to help xfer the heat.

    #30 2 years ago

    I used my hakko, it took a bit to heat up to take the solder on the socket, but it did work. I was using standard rosin core solder

    #31 2 years ago

    Thank you bc I was using lead free solder

    #32 2 years ago

    Thanks the 60/40 made a major difference

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    #33 2 years ago

    I needed flux as well but my ground braid is soldering so much nicer and neater now.

    #34 2 years ago

    Good to hear

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    #35 9 months ago

    Does this look like the right stuff? $27.99

    iLightingSupply 56-0836-06 18 Guage Braided Tinned Wire 250Ft Spool

    amazon.com link »

    Would love to have a big spool like this and never worry about it again.

    #36 9 months ago
    Quoted from radium:

    Does this look like the right stuff? $27.99
    iLightingSupply 56-0836-06 18 Guage Braided Tinned Wire 250Ft Spool
    amazon.com link »
    Would love to have a big spool like this and never worry about it again.

    I used the picture wire pictured above on my Viking pf swap and had no issues with any lamps. I was worried at first but all worked well after I flipped the power switch on the game. It's widely available and cheap. I think I paid <$3 for the 25ft length.

    #37 9 months ago

    following

    #38 9 months ago

    That looks similar

    #39 9 months ago
    Quoted from radium:

    Does this look like the right stuff? $27.99

    iLightingSupply 56-0836-06 18 Guage Braided Tinned Wire 250Ft Spool

    Yes it should be fine. The product was previously discussed here with pics:

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/controlled-lamps-wire-size

    #40 9 months ago
    Quoted from Quench:

    Yes it should be fine. The product was previously discussed here with pics:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/controlled-lamps-wire-size

    Perfect, thank you very much

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