I'd love to get my hands on a Bally KISS but I refuse to pay the inflated prices people are asking. More than double of any other SS from that era!! Worn out playfields, beat up cabinets and barely any board upgrades. No thanks. As bad as the code is now it's still more enjoyable than the Bally imo.
My guess is Gene knows nothing about pinball code. Only concerned with the money he's already made. KISS usually signs deals with guaranteed money no matter how much is sold or not.
As this point I don't think code will help this game. KISS is nothing but eye candy imo. Just turned it on for the first time in a couple weeks. Its getting to the point where I no longer finish a game and either keep restarting it or turning it off during a game and walking away. The constant drains from those stupid pops, Genes head and the boring ass code are killing it for me. Plain and simple this game SUCKS!! Which is a shame cuz for several reasons it's the only pin I own currently. I find myself at other places to get my pinball fix. My buddy has a GOT and it's hard to believe they're made by the same company. I love playing that thing! And I know -10 about anything to do with the show. Other than the midget guy I've seen in a bunch of other movies etc. If something doesn't happen to save this machine it's soo outta here. I can think of 10 other machines that I'd rather have in it's place.
I've been pretty critical of the current KISS code and lack of updates. But as the weeks go by I'm finding myself a little more patient and just enjoying the game for what it currently is. I know an update is coming and I'm sure it will be significant. I guess I'm either a sucker or just learning patience with my age.
For starters the cities and several inserts have no tie into the game. Many owners are still having issues with the Gene head.
Are you still having problems with yours? I tweaked my settings and it's worked perfect ever since. Yours must be defective. Have you asked Stern for a replacement mechanism?
Yeah at factory settings Gene shoots bullets SDTM. I have my machine pitched slightly back also. I'm sure that helps. I'd lower your lockup power big time. Even if they just fall out of his mouth it's better than the alternative. Really hope you get yours working properly. I know how frustrating it can be.
Just an update on the code progress would be nice. Don't know why Stern insists on keeping this stuff a secret. New releases I understand.
I let my machine run in attract mode for a full minute before I play the first game. Never skips.
Vid's been kinda quiet since the heavy suggestion yesterday of a possible new code. Not sure if that's a good thing or not.
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:
Is there anyone out there willing to replace songs with original kiss songs once the code is released? I'd pay for that for sure and pinbrowser is beyond my skill set...
Quoted from fattdirk:
Their music is so terrible. With better code I figure I can just replace the music with something decent and have some cool rules in a awesome looking machine. *fingers crossed*
Couldn't respectfully disagree with you more. What does new code have to do with swapping the songs out if their music is so terrible? I've had mine swapped for months now. I'm glad you're somewhat happy with the layout to spend thousands of dollars on a pin that you can't stand the theme to. To me it's just silly. I'm sure there's plenty of other pins with much better layout and flow that you'd rather listen to. I listen to everything from Cash to Floyd, Maiden, Zepp and countless others. I love KISS' music. It is what it's supposed to be and nothing more. Statements like yours just irk the s**t out of me sometimes. Again, no disrespect and I hope when the code drops we all will be happier KISS owners.
I don't think I've ever seen a code this hyped before. This better be one helluva update.
In addition I really hope they add better graphics and animations. Compared to GOT and GB KISS' are pretty basic.
Quoted from vid1900:
Ezrin somehow inserted "doing" into the song and it sounds like Paul got bit on the cock.
Listen to the above tracks, you can't miss how awkward it sounds.
I'm pretty sure they changed the lyric for Destroyer Resurrected because it was discovered years later that 95 didn't run through the city of Detroit as implied by the song.
It would be cool to have the new code today on the same day as Ace's new cd release.
Quoted from Wakky:
KISS code update status: After extensive play testing the team has identified a few bugs. We have called the ORKIN man and we hope to get these bugs fixed ASAP and post the KISS code update along with a few others... Thanks for your support and patience. We know you will be happy!!! #kisspinball
What complete bulls**t!!! How the hell can you post as many teases as Stern did and then at the last possible second say oops "we found some bugs"!! Really!!?? There is either zero communication over there or they just enjoy trolling the s**t out of us. Either way it's beyond insulting to their customers. At this point they would have been better off not saying a single word and just putting the code out when it was ready. F**k you Stern!!
Quoted from Whysnow:
may want to go read some of the more recent research coming out...
Lots of promising things with MMJ and a whole host of things it can help with medically.
Damn this thread has gone on so long we're now debating the pros and cons of marijuana use vs booze!! Classic!!!
Quoted from jeffsarcade:
Could it be when it was made? I received mine in October last year. Maybe machines produced earlier are susceptible to this?
I know for a fact Stern used 2 different types of material on the Demon disc. One is firmer that doesn't shed and the other is a sticky softer one that shits black all over. Cover it with something suggested and swap out as many of the black rubbers as you can. I got my Pre in September '15 and the pf still looks new.
At this point if you're still not happy with the code you should just sell it. Latest code is a big step in the right direction IMO.
Quoted from vireland:
I agree, but the useless cities that do nothing are a major red flag screaming "hey, I'm missing!"
If they had just left them out until they were ready to do something, it wouldn't even be noticed. But the city/song selection is literally the first thing you see...
No argument there. The cities are a big oversight. If they don't address those in the next update I'll be shocked.
Quoted from jints56:
I just sold mine, so it shouldn't be much longer for an update.
We should start a thread on who hasn't sold their KISS yet! In the meantime I'm working on incorporating some sounds from the classic Bally. I lowered the music volume for the video so you can hear the spinner better.
Yes all original recordings except for Deuce. Sonically it fits in better with the other songs.
Quoted from Kingpin22:
There are still a few issues I have found on the LE/ premium. When in love gun multiball and there is already two balls locked in Gene head, it won't kick out the balls. You can hear it trying and when it goes to self check it skips by the head. Very frustrating when this happens. I hope next code fixes this issue.
Did you try increasing the demon lockup power and NOT the eject power?
Every time I play I tell myself I'm gonna take my scoop Cliffy off. I get way too many rejects. I've had to remove it 2x already to pound it out straight. The other day one of the side metal flaps that fits inside broke off and was laying inside the cabinet.
Quoted from Trekkie1978:
Do you have the newer design?
I had the original design for the scoop and it was impossible to make the shot. With the new design, it plays a lot better. That scoop should've been designed to be a hair wider.
Newer design? Every KISS Cliffy I've seen looks the same.
Hey dirk is your KISS in your personal lineup or on route? If its on route just curious how it's doing?
Such a shame. KISS has nice flow, great shots and a killer art package. Seems the only thing Stern cares about these days is their next release and how quick they can get it out. Hell BM66 wasn't even playable at the expo. Wtf? As soon as they start shipping Stern will blow that release off too and focus on Aerosmith or whatever for the new year.
Great ideas! Unfortunately it's never gonna happen. Stern simply doesn't care enough about code in general to put that much creative thought into it. They're always looking to the next pin for their payday. Back in the 90's when pinball started slumping the makers/programmers really upped their game. RS, FH and MM come to mind. Why should they care now? They're selling these faster than they can make them.
Wow this is really sad to hear. If KISS gets just one more update it better be the mother of all updates. Something tells me this behavior by Stern will one day bite them in the ass. Unless Gary plans on selling the company before the bottom falls out.
Remember the huge buzz Stern created when KISS was being built? Every single update regarding the build process was announced on their FB. Gameplay video of Ropp and Borg playing the beta code. Updates of its progress on the line. They even posted about how great the led package was on it. Video showing the leds mimicking the traditional incandescent light behavior. Man it was nuts. Amazing how they seem to have completely abandoned this game. Since then Stern's done a 180 and tells us NOTHING!! It's been 2 mths and still no BM66 gameplay video of any kind. What the hell is their deal? I guess when you ban the majority of their market from their FB why bother mentioning anything. We should start a topic of "what got you banned from Stern's FB."
Great posts Sparky, Vireland, Charlie and Cobray! Nice to see some love for this game. Its not the greatest but it isn't a turd IMO. It's certainly not for everyone especially if you don't like the band or its music. To each his own.
Quoted from rockrand:
Kimspinball sell a lighting mod for the love gun ball trick,I believe it is around 40.00,helps a lot,I have lots of fun with my kiss and will hold for as long as it takes,nothing new here,I did it with lots of other stern games
Agreed! That mod from Kimballs is one of my favorites. Highly recommended.
Quoted from vireland:
DEFINITELY order the Lovegun lighting mod right away. It's one of the best "improvement" mods of any pin out there. Really makes the Lovegun mode start with the levitating ball special.
100% agree! Lots of great mods for this machine to keep you busy until a new code drop. Have fun!
KISS code is solid, just needs polished. Use the cities or get rid of them. Try to use the larger playfield icons which now do nothing. Fix the bugs and maybe some more/better dots. I think that's why people are bitching about the wait. We're not asking for much.
Quoted from Rhlufa:
I've been very quite on this forum as a Second owner of a Kiss Pro....I've seen many say "its coming " who is who in the know....I lov my Kiss Pro and waiting to see...but who really has the intel? Rock On!!
There are a handful of members here with inside info. The most recent comments regarding KISS code are the most credible. Their track record speaks for itself. Glad you're enjoying your KISS as am I. I think next week will be our time!
Quoted from Tempest:
Kiss are only the originals, accept no less!
I'm a diehard originals guy but Thayer and Singer are fine with me. They've been in the band now longer than the originals. Plus they're pretty cool guys if you've ever met them. KISS wouldve died decades ago with Ace and Peter. Aside from Paul's voice now shot the band's never sounded better. However once Gene and Paul are done so am I. Have zero interest in 2.0 if it even happens. But this is just my opinion. Sorry for the derail. Back to KISS pinball kids!!
We ARE getting another update. Whether it's this week or next, that's good enough for me.
They need to drop SOME kind of code before this weekend even if it's not KISS. Other than the much needed updates for BM66 Stern's been really lazy with code updates recently.
I thought I read somewhere that Stern no longer issues updates on Fridays. In case of a major bug problem.
Quoted from Pickle:
To be honest we all hear inside info and there is always a grain of truth to every rumor. But plans change and delays happen. That's why when ANYONE posts something I don't get excited until it happens.
I didn't get my hopes up that code would drop so nothing to be disappointed about.
But when people post stuff saying "inside info" it's like a cock tease and people love to troll threads and get people worked up. Bottom line is time and time again code on Stern games is lacking and full of bugs they don't fix. If code issues bug people enough they need to wake up and give Stern the big Fuck You and quit buying the next shiny NIB pin that comes out. Why support a company that refuses to change, seems to have QC issues as of late, and continues to charge more?
No incentive for Stern to change until we as consumers quit buying. Until that happens expect more of the same.
Agree 1000%. Unfortunately the line for Star Wars is growing as I type this.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
Recent Stern factory tour showed KISS LE being made. Finish the code and then watch more orders coming in
KISS has not been on the line in a looong time. Those guys were testing code on LEs. That should tell you how poorly KISS sold. You can still find NIB LEs. Stern really has nothing to gain by updating KISS. Barring a miracle it won't be on the line again. I think they're just tired of everyone bitching about the code. If you want a well coded KISS just buy an AS.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
You saying that if they finished the code and it was good, that people wouldn't then buy KISS?
They remake VE's and it is no shock that the 2 announced have finished codes that are excellent.
Not at all. I was referring to your comment about KISS LEs being made. No matter what they do with the code KISS will probably not be on the line anytime soon if ever again. It wasn't a good seller for Stern. It's code reputation sure isn't helping it. These machines are leaving pinheads homes and slowly finding their way into hardcore KISS fans collections. I'd love to see it get one more final update. But if it doesn't I'm more than happy with it. I enjoy the hell out of it and very happy I bought one.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
While waiting for the code update.....
Added Mezmods yellow protectors to go with the yellow rubbers.
Anyone hooked up a color LCD on KISS yet to see what it looks like? Thinking yellow/gold would look good.
Sharp!! I need to take apart my Starchild area to clean on my Pre and not looking forward to it.
Comments posted today on Stern's FB page don't look good for incorporating the cities. LOL at the comment by Anthony!
Quoted from Barakawins1:
I believe so. I've heard from some distributors that Kiss is being worked on now and being tested. I can't name them, but it's going to happen.
Sure hope so. Give this game some love and get it finished. Restore our faith and move on to the next game in need.
Quoted from Chicoman:
According to Cointaker at Pintastic they said Stern is done with code on KISS and it's final at least from what he's heard.
If this is true what a joke. Being told in Stern released videos that code is being worked on and then nothing. WTF!? I'm really starting to think with the way Stern is running their business that something big is going to happen sooner than later. Increased prices, stripped down playfields, QC issues and half baked code. They're on a massive cash grab securing all these licensed titles and pumping them out faster than cheeseburgers. Their customer relations are a joke. I'm really starting to think that Gary is looking to bail in a few short years and sell. Their actions are clearly of a company not looking ahead. This is just my opinion though and I could be wrong.
Quoted from capguntrooper:
Stern is replacing the play field, so kudos for them. I mean canon 200 plays and it sits for a year and BAM lookin like a ghostbusters! Maybe they will send a USB with new play field loaded with new code!
Wow! I had no idea your bullet proofed LE was having issues. Glad you're getting another. I'm sure that wasn't an easy task. I'm afraid to check mine now.
Quoted from capguntrooper:
very easy actually, only took me 10 minutes to get it out and in box. Only two cabels to unplug, took me a couple hours to remove mods..lol. Bullet proof protection does not protect you against cancer I am afraid.
No I meant it couldn't have been an easy task for you to convince Stern to swap your playfield.
Quoted from Sparky:
Thst's not how ColorDMD makes its decisions. The displays they sell are the same for all titles. When a customer orders, the display is loaded with the proper software, and a royalty goes to the developer, which in most cases is a tech-saavy collector who wanted that title done. Doesn't matter to ColorDMD how popular it will be (Gilligan's Island is the latest release). ColorDMD is making money on the displays. When collectors are programming, there's no development cost to ColorDMD (except the royalty).
Excellent info thank you! Ok ColorDMD let's get this sum bitch colorized!
Quoted from ahdelarge:
Is there a KISS owners club thread on Pinside or something similar where people have posted pictures of their KISS machines and mods?
Here's my Starchild protector installed. If you don't want the name on it just repaint like I did. Besides the protection you get the cool looking flames that stick up.
Quoted from Silkenone:
It still puzzles me that Demon multiball isn't God of Thunder. I mean, that (and I Love It Loud) was always Gene's biggest spotlight moment, with the levitating and blood-spitting.
I wonder what led them to go with Dr Love, of all songs, for that mode?
Yes, I should probably get out more.
All the songs on Stern's KISS are the 2008 remakes from the Jigoku-Retsuden album. They never remade God of Thunder. Pretty sure that's why it doesn't appear in the machine.
Has the Demon lock ever worked properly since you've had it? Have you tried cleaning the optos? Thanks for the clarification.
Was it making this noise before you installed FF speakers? I have them in my KISS and no issues with static etc.
Quoted from snaroff:
Always loved the way this game shoots. Relieved to see this update!
I won't have access to my game for awhile and have one question...are the dots improved?
I haven't noticed anything of significance with the dots. Slightly disappointed but it's ok. This update is awesome and this game is a blast. Light show is fantastic. Would like them to fix the Demon eject/lockup power settings. As these two are still reversed in the menu. By the way, my intro hasn't been choppy one time. And I caught the spelling error but was able to fix that with PB.
Quoted from Sparky:
Just in case someone is looking for a KISS topper in the future, you might get an idea of what they're selling for based on my ebay sale. Mine sold for $330 + shipping. My buyer is a two hour drive from me, so his shipping cost was $13.65.
Kind of a shame that such a great topper is no longer in production. I know several people who bought one just to display in their collections.
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