Yeah it is pretty bad. So much so that when I buy new again I think I'm going to try Heighway. I'm hoping they will be better at providing finished code in a timely manner. Maybe wishful thinking but in truth it was/is Stern's lack of timely code support that drove me to this point. I would most likely have stuck with buying pins from Stern if they had better code support.

I couldn't disagree with you more. While code does need an overhaul the layout is exceptional, looks great, sounds good. To each their own. If new code rocks this will be among my favorites for sure.

The only thing worse than not having new KISS code is having to read negative back n forth exchanges by pinball addicts. Please guys lets keep this one on topic. If you'd like to argue semantics please do it via PM from this point forward.

Couldn't disagree with you more. The design & flow is absolutely killer. SDTM is an easily fixed. Only downside for me at this point is the code.

I wouldn't want the ramp to be easier to hit the point is for it to be difficult to make by design. You can adjust the power and slightly bend the guide inside Genes mouth (on right hand side). I made the adjustment took about 15 minutes and never had another problem with it going SDTM.

To each their own. Plenty of rewarding shots for me. Right ramp is tough, left loop is tough, scoop is tough. The games that tend to bore me are the ones where every ramp/shot is easy to hit. KISS has just the right mix of easy and tough shots for my liking. IMO the reward in a shot needs to be solidified by coding which right now is just not up to par. I totally get that some will love it and some will hate it just pointing out a few things I like on the field.

Hate to be a downer on the day that GB is announced but must say I'm pretty disappointed that it has taken so long for a substantial update on KISS. I was thinking of going in on GB but given my experience with KISS I think I'll wait until the GB code is solid & fun. I guess it's a good thing for me that Stern has eliminated my impulse buying by taking so long with the code support.

Sure hope the rumor is right love the pin (art, sound, layout) the current code not so much.

Been 8 months since any update of substance. I dont think it's unreasonable to be getting impatient at this point. No one said I wouldn't buy Stern again. What was said is it prevented me from impulse buying GB NIB.

Hope they sell well I love pinball but certain things are important to me on such an expensive toy code is high on the list. Plenty will be available on secondary market likely cheaper than NIB after code is complete so I'm good waiting.

I'm not in on GB so not following the threads. What models increased in price and by how much?

I think it does and has helped in the past. As always to each their own..

The point is when does the process of providing another update begin. Everyone knows it takes time & is a process. What we are asking for is for that process to start sooner on new releases.

I think it does make a difference and won't stop expressing that view. Not sure why you think it's your job to quiet buyers complaints on code. It's valid and is asking for support from the maker of the pin.

I don't care about the past now is a different age. New age toys new expectations. I guess I've just learned a lesson. I change the lineup frequently and don't always keep a pin for the year it sometimes take to get solid code. Stern has made some of my favorite pins and I'm thankful for them keeping pinball alive during the tough times. I'm a fan and think they have talented people working at Stern. Lesson was that I need to be okay with it taking this long or just not buy NIB. I was trying to point out that it was one of the only things that prevented me from buying GB instantly. It's hard using the restraint and I got pissy about it. I shouldn't of my apologies.

I agree that the new code is deeper and I think a big reason for that was Stern listening to their buyers/fan base. I hope the team hits it out of the park and makes the wait worth it. That happened with XM where the last major code update was so awesome it made me forget the wait.

I think the next KISS update is going to be a great one. Being optimistic I know but I have a feeling that us KISS owners will be very happily surprised with the next update. Hoping the team has a kick ass update in store for us!

Yeah have to disagree there. To each their own we all have our own likes. IMO it's a great layout with huge potential.

Yeah I am not a KISS fan at all so I was not interested initially. However, after playing the pin I liked the layout enough to buy it. It surprised me. I totally agree the code is not where it needs to be but I have faith that it is being reworked and will end up being solid. I know some will not like it as much as I do that's just the nature of pinball.

My KISS is not getting much play nowadays. Just not enough there to keep my interest with the current code. Layouts nice but man does the code need an overhaul. I'm hoping the new code shines and the pin finally reaches its potential. I learned my lesson finally. Im gonna try to hold off on NIB Sterns. I'll gladly wait a year and buy with near finished code and likely at a cheaper price point HUO.

Crazy to me it has taken this long to get adequate code support for a pin that sold so well upon initial release.

It's a shame that it seems like we need to pick and choose which pins we should buy based on software lead.

The truely funny part is that they are probably posting and laughing about it losing customers in the process. Never been a fan of their marketing efforts. Not real hard to see why that is.

With good reason code as it stands now is bland.

Yeah no doubt we are a group that likes to complain especially when the flame is being stoked by almost 10 months of stagnation.

You have stated how you feel very clearly here as documented above. Please let's not beat a dead horse here and let it be. I know we all get frustrated but we need to try and not harp on things and tirelessly ridicule those that help create the pins we love.

Okay all no more off topic posting from this point on please. Lets keep this focused on the KISS code and hopefully at some point in the near future we will get the update and it rocks.

On limited play I have to say (flame suit engage) I thought the game played much smoother. I thought it put the project on a nice trajectory. Lighting was improved the lock hold during Demon was a very nice touch. Demon kick out power was much improved. The ability to light multiple instruments was a welcome addition. Not saying more improvements aren't in order but rather I thought this was a good step forward.

I'll get some more play time this weekend for a better feel. However, I'm not down on the update as some seem to be. Game seems much sharper to me and I'm thankful for that.

Only plays during end wizard mode as I understand it. Definitely not a selectable song as it is now.

Did the screen go directly to node update verification after first reboot?

Oh come on man don't do that.

Hmm sounds like it could be an opto issue in the head. Have you contacted Stern regarding this? Definitely should not be happening can see why you would be frustrated.

Okay I'm sure they will help you get to the bottom of it. Please keep us posted on any fixes as it may help others with the same problem in the future.

That's exactly what it sounded like glad it was a pretty easy diagnosis n fix. Hope now you can play some KISS. Such a fun layout.

I haven't noticed any black spots from spinner on my Premium but it's home use so the play is limited.

As mentioned above first thing to do would be to replace pinballs see if that helps. If not check connections & see if the magnet turns off n on how it should via test menu.

Yes.

Just takes too much time for these updates to come to fruition. Lesson learned though cheaper and more complete code buying Stern's on the secondary market.

I still think it's a very fun pin as is now and will only get better. I have no horse in the race as I don't own it anymore. Just don't like waiting on code so will wait in future before purchase.

Yeah price keeps going through the rough while quality and ability to get pins to us quickly have declined. With KISS they also showed us how much they care about the code support...