Kiss code is dropping this Friday.. Just in time for the weekend... Yeah!!!
YES!!!!!! Kiss code is coming..... Oooooh Yeeeaaah! Ooooo Yeaaaah! Well Allllriiiiigth!
I think Paul is coming.. He's comin down to see ya people! Wwoooooooooooo!
Straight from Stern's FB Page!
I'm happy they're delaying it a bit more to get the bugs out. 1st Class move updating the owners... Thank you for that Stern.
I'm totally psyched and would rather wait for completed awesome code to come than to have bugs.. I think this will be a huge reworked code. Patiently waiting!
The code is not bad. It's now a playable game for sure. I'm looking forward to the next. I'm hopeful. The in lane sounds need to be louder.
Could hardly be heard. Hoping for more songs, graphics and definitely cities update.
I'm sure Stern just released this temporarily until most bugs are fixed. Lots more code to come I hope. It is a bit disappointing.
OK. So I looked at my sales receipt. I received my Kiss in August of 2015. We are reaching a one year anniversary of receipt of this pinball machine with only one update. Stern... Please update the code and finish the cities. This game has a lot of potential and needs to be completed right.
I think it's time for Stern to come forward with this code. It's over a year now and barely any updates.
I think what's happening here is Stern is sinking. By giving attention to other titles and not finishing code on existing titles, it's a sign of
struggle within the company. The assembly line must run for everyone to get paid. While it is good for business and is necessary to keep the assembly line running, you're hurting your business by not finishing code and not making the collectors, home owners and possible vendors happy. Home owners are investing money into machines equivalent to some used cars. The code should be close to finished when the game is released and finished up within 6 mos. A year is way to too long and looks like Stern cannot keep up this pace. I would caution anyone
buying a machine to think twice. Hold back, let them sit until the code is completed. I'm sure code will roll along quickly when there are less sales.
very shameful if you ask me. I know of no other industry that gets away with not completing product, stiffing it's customers and in the
process screwing up a relationship with it's distributors. It's hard for a distributor to want to purchase $10k - $15k machines when others
are not completed. It's quite embarrasing.
Quoted from rubberducks:
If JJP #3 is the kind of hit that it could be, they could really steal Stern's lunch money .... hopefully that will be enough of a kick up the arse to make them improve matters across the board. So many of their recent games, even ones that are good now, have been in a dire state at release, left for ages, and / or not finished. Metallica, maybe Mustang and arguably TWD are the only titles they've really finished in recent years.
Very well said. If this next pinball is what I think it is, I believe we will all start making moves to Jersey Jack.
I wouldn't spend another penny on Stern games until code is fully completed. More attention to ghost busters code and game of thrones than kiss. Totally unacceptable.. those that buy batman 1966 be careful . That's a lot of money for a pretty machine you did not play and don't know if the code will complete
You know, it all depends on the assembly line and if it's running and profitable. If not, there is no code coming my friends.
Psssssssst......... Now that GB got their code release today............. Where's the Kiss code?
How about the bullshit update wait. The heaven's on fire picture. Also let the show begin. It got us a 1/2 assed code update
How about just an update as to when we can expect the code to drop? That's what we want to hear.
I don't know about you guys but this turns me off completely. Stern takes a ton of money from the sales of these machines and they give two shits about you after they got your money. I'm sticking with the #1 pins in the industry Williams/Bally.
Quoted from vireland:
Jersey Jack has demonstrated repeatedly that they support with new code and features WAY past what they need to. That's more code support that you'll get from Stern OR Bally/Williams.
This is true. I would not be opposed to a Jersey Jack Pin at all. He has shown remarkable quality in the pins produced, updates the code
to deliver a finished product and is top notch when it comes to customer service. Fellow hobbyists I know have Jersey Jack pins and have nothing but good words to say about the quality of the pins, service and game play.
Quoted from jar155:
If you want to sell directly to the home, you have to mold your product to that cause. Incomplete code might work in a bar or arcade, but for the home buyer, it won't fly.
I couldn't agree with you more. We all have deadlines to complete. Production is just as important as a finished polished product.
Honestly, there should be zero excitement going forward with Sterns marketing campaign. The attitude for every game going forward
should be "meh who cares". When the code's done and we can play the game in it's polished form, we'll buy. It's getting ridiculous now.
With higher price tags and unfinished code such as kiss, it's quite embarrassing on their part to be honest. With every new title, they need
to advertise "Now with completed code" and then people will listen.
OK.......... So there is some hope here! Looks like code is being updated. I'm hoping some way, this is coming out this weekend!!!!!!!!!!
Quoted from jar155:
I won't preorder a game anymore. I absolutely love my GBLE, but the hassle it's been has scared me away from preorders going forward.
Finally, a very smart move. Rational an sane mind. Thank you for your comment. I think everyone should stay away from music pins until
the codes are completed for Kiss and Aerosmith if it is released. Otherwise, let Stern sit on them.
I wouldn't say that it's a loser in any way. Fun game, great layout and a large code update is coming as indicated by Stern.
Even Gary Stern stated a code is coming for Kiss. I'm hopeful for Christmas, but we'll have to see.
How much does Paul still have to wait? Please hurry up so Paul can play the finished product!
Quoted from gearheaddropping:
Could you imagine taking delivery of a brand new Chevy Cruz (a couple thousand more than BM66 SLE with discounts) and having to connect the exhaust, find a place for missing fasteners and troubleshoot why it won't start?
I just laughed my butt off! This is so true! What the heck!!
Quoted from robotron:
i will never buy another stern till kiss is finished.
bought a very nice ss yesterday.
I took the same road as you. After sitting on my $7000 Kiss, since receiving it in August of 2016, I got disgusted at looking at it. I too dumped several Stern titles and went back to good old, code finished, work horse Williams/Bally machines. I used to have 8 Stern titles.
I'm down to 3 and no way am I buying anything until Stern shows dedication to finishing code and improving quality of their machines.
The quality is inferior to Bally/Williams by far. I lost confidence in the brand. Williams/Bally are still living well with completed code and look absolutely stunning in the game room compared to Stern titles.
Well, you really can't blame the programmers. Let's stay clear of them. They are workers just as we are in our positions. You can blame
"Stern" for not allowing programmers to finish the games though. I too purchased this game for over $7.5k and wasted $400 on a
topper for an incomplete machine. Let' s not forget mod purchases to add to this. So yeah, maybe this doesn't hurt Stern. Buyer confidence has definitely been affected. That's long gone in my opinion. Releases such as WWE, Kiss, Batman, Xmen, etc.. are quite disappointing when you shell out that kind of dough and expect it to be finished. The amount of time to wait for updates has taken a toll on all those who purchased machines with unfinished code.
I hope things get better soon. But by the wait history, I doubt it.
It truly is a fun game for sure. Very nice layout. Nicest hand drawn art package out there in my opinion. Hopefully this title will be
completed shortly. It's such a masterpiece otherwise.
Will be totally worth it. Stern won't let us down on this one. I see what they did with Ghost Busters and wow. I could only imagine what the Kiss update will bring.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
Well, Stern are in danger of making hay while the sun shines but come hard times, people are going to remember this kind of stuff, and then they will be in a drought and it will be too late....
This is like the famine back in Egyptian times. It's coming Stern... Famine and misfortune!
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
Thinking about this, if Stern had any integrity why can't they officially say 'Kiss code is being worked on and there will be an update in 2017'.
Is it really that difficult to do?
Totally agree! But the corrupt business antics continue and people keep buying the games which are incomplete. Truly ridiculous. I can't wait to see what happens with Star Wars.. Some stupid crap like... Oooh we have beta code 0.17 ready!!!!!!!! Stay tuned for our next release in the meantime! WTF?
Nah, it's coming. I'm confident within the next 30 - 60 days max. Stay Tuned!!! One of the greatest music pins will be born!!
Kiss is sold. Sorry guys.. Good luck with the code. I've moved on to better things. Just couldn't wait any longer.
Honestly, Stern has kinda ruined pinball for me going forward. I kept Metallica pro, Tron LE and Star Trek Premium. The remaining Stern machines are gone. I loved the Kiss LE I had but honestly, it left bad taste in my mouth when I realized I had the game for 2 years and the game is
incomplete. Very shameful for a company to be able to get away with this kind of unsatisfaction level. Anyway, good luck to all the kiss
army fans! I did keep my trusty 1978 Bally Kiss with completed code though!
Guys, I think this is it. Kiss is now complete. I don't foresee another update at this point. But, I'm rooting for you guys
Just remove the cities already. It's the dumbest thing added to the game. There is no purpose. There will be no deep rule set to
coincide with the cities. Kiss is now a finished product to enjoy.
I think kiss is now done. I don' t feel this will be revisited again unfortunately. Too many games have already been produced for them to go back. Enjoy it as it is. It's a great game that had so much more potential but Stern blew it.
I think Kiss is still a good game. I don't miss mine anymore since I sold it and I moved on. Could have been much more but unfortunately, it's just not a keeper for me. The lackluster of not having code completed and bugs was not appealing to me any longer. But I am hopeful all Kiss owners will get the code this game deserves. I've been a Kiss fan for years. It's a bummer to be disappointed.
When sales hit the pocket, updates will come. It's inevitable. Finally the message came across. I hope you guys all get your code updates. I gave up and sold Kiss. It's such a shame that this title suffered so much.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
At least KISS was mentioned in the Stern talk yesterday.
Oh yeah, what was mentioned? How disappointed all the fans and purchasers of this machine have been since it's 2+ years of release
and the complete lack of respect to Stern's loyal customers? An apology perhaps? Bet not...
"AINT" No Merry Kissmass this year! But in conciliation, it's Christmas! Play dat Pinball yeah!
Kiss is done. Iron Maiden is now the new focus. I've moved on a year ago and glad I did.
Quoted from Pickle:
Future actions of Stern will tell if they are serious about finishing code on older games that can use it or if they are left for dead.
They are left for dead. If anything, they have moved on to the great money grab. If they do anything further on Kiss it will be a very minor bug fix.
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