So to all the KISS owners, is it that the current code is that bad, or is it more that they're just taking forever to release an update? I put about 7-8 games on a KISS pro on location last weekend and had a lot of fun. All in all I've played one about 20-30 times and I like it, I plan to get one eventually. I guess if I owned one I might discover a lack of code, but to the average player it's pretty good as is.

I put some time on an AS premium last week also and after all the glowing reviews I was a little disappointed by it. Granted I probably only have about eight games on one, but I thought it was just good, not great. Still preferred KISS.

I just picked up a KISS LE last week and I'm loving it! I'm an average player so it will take me awhile to see all the code that's currently there. I guess I'm different from most of the people on here. I usually fire up a pin, put 3 or 4 games on it, then turn it off and don't play it again for a few days. For the people that want epic quest type of games, they have WOZ for that. And while I think it's cool that they make this type of game for the people who love that, I personally hate WOZ! Maybe eventually I'll get to the point where I see the limitations in the code, but until them I'm fat, dumb and happy playing my KISS!

But what if your city isn't one of the choices? It seems odd that this would be the only point of having cities with only a limited number available and most pins ending up in cities not in the list. Oh well, I'm enjoying mine for now and I'm not going to worry about a code update, if one comes we'll see what it contains.

Yes...assuming Stern doesn't come out with a good code update.

Since I don't think it's going to be this year I'll guess -136...but I'm still playing mine and loving it!

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I'm curious, if there's no code update how many of you will keep your pin and how many will sell? Right now I plan on keeping my LE cause it's still fun to play and also cause it's a work of art!

Both my KISS LE and my Mustang LE play fields look great, no ghosting. My Metallica LED Pro, which was made last year, has some minor ghosting on a few inserts.

Any single pin is going to get boring after awhile, but both MET and TWD are better for a single game collection. You're right that theme isn't everything, I'm wondering how long it's going to take the Star Wars fanatics to figure that one out.

No, but I'll sell you the love child of Gene Simmons and Bessie the cow.

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Stern also said there WILL be code updates every two weeks for BM66 I hope there is an update but I'm not counting on it. In the meantime I'm enjoying my pin.

Oh, and I can't wait for the 'Where's the SW code' thread, if it isn't already out there.

Looks like Gene was pretty excited to see you

Ace sold the rights to the Spaceman character to Gene and Paul so I wonder if he received any of the money Stern paid to license the pinball? That is definitely his likeness on the cabinet and backglass.

Yes but my question was did the rights for the Spaceman character also include the right to use Ace's likeness, or just the right for them to use the makeup? As it's been pointed out, you can clearly tell the difference between Ace Freely in the makeup and Tommy Thayer in the makeup.

Where did you hear this?

I thought Paul Stanley was drawn with a pretty generous 'package', then I noticed what was hanging beneath the drum kit!

Tell the kid in the picture giving the devils horns he owes Gene Simmons some money!

It can be done. I find it easier to try and backhand the right ramp, it is a tight shot from the left flipper.

For Stern “in the near future” probably means the first half of 2018. I wouldn’t look for it before March. I would much rather they take their time since they’re calling this the final update, than to rush something out that’s just a couple of bug fixes.

Another thumbs up for capguntrooper’s star child protector! Installed it last week and now I can play with peace of mind and not worry every time I reach love gun multiball.

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All you’re going to get is that KISS is still in line for a final update. It’s not Stern’s style to divulge any type of detailed information.

Me too. I’m not expecting anything until June or July but I get my hopes up when I see new posts in this thread. I guess I just contributed to that problem, sorry!

I hope we end up getting more than what was on the Aerosmith update that just dropped.

Where have I heard this before?

I do think there’s an update coming some time, the big question is what’s it going to contain.

I wouldn’t get too caught up on what’s probably a grammar error. There is always a chance for an unplanned future update, but unless this becomes a vault release (unlikely) I wouldn’t hold my breath. I think the quality of the KISS update is going to depend a lot on what the Aerosmith update contains. If Aerosmith gets a nice update then there’s hope for KISS, if not then don’t expect much. Either way I still enjoy playing the pin and plan to keep it for right now.

Agreed! I’d like some new features, enhancements to the wizard modes, and something that incorporates the cities more, not just a few bug fixes. As long as I know it’s being worked on I’m okay waiting for something substantial.

Maybe they can add the song Rocket Ride for the groupies, although I’m sure that’s not one of the re-recorded ones.

Yeah, I’m curious where you heard those words mentioned?

The code doesn’t suck as it stands today, it’s just not up to the standards of their better coded games. If the code update ends up being lackluster I’ll be disappointed, but I’ll still enjoy playing it.

Yep, definite must buy as soon as it comes out!