$5500 for Premium?

Someone posted a while back that George told them that KISS is not being worked on. I'd consider it done.

It's like when the rollercoaster breaks down but they refuse to give you an estimate on how long it's gonna take to fix it. I mean what would they have to gain by locking themselves into anything?

But that directly contradicts Gary, who said at TPF that an update IS coming. So is Gary lying or uninformed? I don't believe that. Maybe Gomez was trying to take some of the heat off by saying it wasn't coming, but it wasn't a good plan after Jody had said it WAS for months. Someone needs to give Stern a PR overhaul and make sure NO ONE talks about Stern except that office.

I think it would save a lot of kiss owners screaming for code a lot of headache if they just assumed it's done and decide if they like the game enough to keep it. If not sell it. No big deal. Also I suggest next time you buy a game, buy a game for what the code is now, not what you hope it becomes, as there are no guarantees it gets any more attention.

You'll never be disappointed again.

The roller coaster though is typically down for maybe a few hours, not 6 months to 1 year. KISS owners have been waiting a year for a code update. That is ridiculous. This is pinball code we are talking about, not code for a secret government project. Stern can and should openly provide an update to owners.

If KISS never gets updated I'll still keep the LE I have. It's a fun game as-is, and easy for people to pick up and play. I'm way more put out about the Batman'66 situation and Stern's handling of the Game of Thrones orbit problem (rather than fix the problem, change the software to disable the orbit requirement and call it "as designed" - pfft!). If KISS gets another update to address the 15 or so known bugs and adds a little more game, it's all gravy at that point.

Herein lies the problem.

Everyone who buys an NIB these days expects it to be a "masterpiece"

You're just setting yourself up for disappointment if you go into buying a game with that mindset.

There have been 1000s of pinball titles made. How many are "masterpieces"?

A handful at best. If there are any. Games are what they are.

rd

Again, not sure how that benefits them. This is a business not a morality play.

Say they are done, and people will bitch. Say an update is coming, they'll bitch even more if the deadline isn't met.

Say nothing? I'm sorry, but it's true, that's probably your path of least resistance when it comes to bitching. It's just the smart play.

If you have this many issues with stern I suggest just stop giving them your business. Lots of options out there other than them.

KISS will never be a Twilight Zone or a LOTR, but it's a helluva good shooter IMO. I love to wail on mine for some mindless fun.

The "Cities" as a mode never made sense to me anyway, and I think they are just that, a call out feature. As far as KISS is concerned there has only really been one city of any significance anyway and that is Detroit. Gene will even tell you that. They were the biggest fans and earliest supporters of the band on the road.

A way cooler mode to add would be a "Band Member Change" mode, or a "Substance Abuse" mode, or even a "What the hell can we put our name on, and market" mode

No, there's not. For home/hobby? Yeah. But for a route operation with a need for reliable access to parts, there's JJP and Stern. And with the long-running Ubuntu bugs, even JJP is a bit iffy at this point. What would have happened if I recommended a Big Lebowski (as I almost did) to the OP I help? Up chocolate creek without a popsicle stick. If we GOT the machine, we're SOL on parts. But the alternative is we never get the machine at all, and he's out the money like all the other poor suckers that trusted DP. The boutique guys are moving things forward, but none of them are at a level that I'd take a chance recommending them for a route.

That said, AeroKISS remains un-purchased, and I may recommend sitting out Star Wars, too. Just take a breather from Sterns for a while and see what they clean up or what other disasters their cost cutting brings down. I'll play it by ear. But for the record, NO ONE is doing a great job at the moment, especially at these price levels.

Agreed. I haven't met one Operator that cares about the things you mentioned in your previous post.

I suggested this way back at the start, surprising it didn't get more traction.

- Black Ace in Phantom of the Park mode: when Ace leaves the set to get more drugs, get the black dude to substitute in the movie, nobody will notice

- Where's Criss at? mode

- Ace and Peter dress up as Nazis mode

- The "revenge era was the best KISS era" mode ... defend yourself from beatings from the old dudes who think Ace and Peter are gods gift

I could go on for days ....

rd

Here's the thing, if the cities are meant for callouts...then why isn't this coded yet? Seriously, how hard is it to code a call out???

Game was announced May 2015.

Let's not forget, last year before the code was released, we were told they were revamping the code.

What do you mean? I've heard city-specific callouts based on the city I choose. Just heard Los Angeles a couple times last night, in fact. It's not frequent, but the cities are already called out in the current code.

Not many of us will get those all.

Ace told us where he went during that day of filming. He want to some museum with an Egyptian display and hallucinated that he was a Pharaoh of old.

How about these?

Guess which song Gene's guitar tech played in the session on each album?
Take a tour of Gene's polaroid collection
Ride with VV and Paul as they get into a fistfight back stage
Hit the lighted targets to get an Ace quote from the Tom Synder show and we can watch Gene getting pissed off by the minute
Open up the mystery of The Elder (best album IMO)

Don't forget to throw Paul under the bus too. He was in on the fun and games...

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I've yet to hear a city specific call out.

I don't remember it being listed on the update readme file.

- watch Gene and Paul fume stage side as VV does a 30 minute long solo break in front of his friends and family on the Creatures tour ...

rd

Dupe

Well said mate guess thats why they call themselves Backyarders...guess that says it all ! Hello Travis hope your taking note aka mr Arcade King King of the amateurs lol ..
Kiss as it stands is a great game in my opinion but an update is definitely needed....

"....in front of his friends and family who he happened to have tag along on Gene and Paul's dime."

Exactly.

Next minute he has a deep freeze full of dead cats.

Strange indeed ....

rd

No code today... It's coming!

Except George didn't say that. He said they "have to find a way to make it happen..." Everyone interpreted that as, "It's not being worked on currently."

George also said at Texas, "It's coming."

And in the John's Arcade" video blah blah blah.

Soon.

Not today.

Also, the callout isn't always the full city name, last night it called out "LA" instead of saying "Los Angeles". The city calls are definitely in there and active, but that's all they really do.

NEW ORRRLEANS We gunnna ROCK TONIGHT!!!

But he managed to release two killer guitar albums right in the middle.

What a waste of talent.

No code today... Tomorrow!!!!

Why don't Stern just hire another coder? Look how well MET has continued to sell since the code got turned into greatness by Lyman, surely any additional outlay for another coder would easily pay for itself.

Because it just doesn't work like that. Lyman is Lyman and he's got a step up above the other guys! His coding is sublime. He's got stuff upfront for the newbies, there's stuff in the middle for the intermediate player and more stuffing well in the back for the expert! Keith's coding is mainly more in the back for the higher intermediate/expert player (see WOZ, Hobbit, LOTR). Lonnie's games are solid but nothing spectacular. So it's more of a we need to clone Lyman! Not saying that Keith and Lonnie and co are rubbish its that the rules aren't as thought out as Lymans

Off topic but, does anyone know where John Borg's signature is on the playfield of the LE? It's so busy I haven't been able to find it yet.

Left outlane.

Yep. Below the plastic in the black space between the flames.

This may not get us a code update today.....but did you know Gene Simmons fathered James Franco?

We may have a better chance of getting James Franco to finish the code for Kiss than waiting on Stern.

It would just be nice to get the whatever final touches they gonna do done....then we can start the request for color DMD

When it comes to Kiss code we got robbed!

Is it here YET?

Stay tuned !

When it comes to Kiss code...

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I've been told its most likely not going to happen by someone that would know. I have no reason to doubt this person, but hope they are wrong. If true, it really really stinks for all you kiss owners.

The sad thing is it really just needs a little clean up to fix a few bugs....tons more that could be done but a final polish would go a long way. The animations need to be cleaned up as well.

Then we can start hoping for color DMD....I trust Color DMD could figure something out and make it happen down the road.

maybe this is an option. make a contest with the winner has an opportunity to work for stern as a coder. put the code out there. let the user base come up with something amazing. the winner gets a job and the community wins too.

Code modding for PC games has been around a long time. It time to catch up on the times and get this to happen.

Friday is the 1 year mark since the last code, maybe we get one that day.

Thanks a lot Lonnie.

Don't blame Lonnie, blame Gary and Gomez.

My Intel is a code update coming in...
2 Weeks!

Don't even bother. Nobody will believe anything until it is officially released. KISS customers have been getting burned so long now.