Hoping for a new multi ball mode

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Why do you think this? I know for a fact stern reads these threads and takes a lot of things into consideration. Some things just take time.

Met was coded by Lyman and X-Men was a gaddamn nightmare experience to go thru. Both have nothing to do with Kiss. Don't think about them lol

building highways and bridges takes time. don't make excuses for stern. they are making more pins and focusing on their new stuff and putting their sold pins on standbye. 8 months is totally unexceptable. if they read this....no got for me, no spidey ve, no ghostbusters. I wont buy another incomplete pin from them. it took tim skelly of cinematronics 3 months to create games with punch cards on an old computer station.

I'm not sure why anyone would do this ever unless they were perfectly happy with the pin in its current state.

I sympathize for you.
We, the owners wwe, it has been 14 months and still no complete code.
Not even a real update of the code.

really really bad customer service......

It will be interesting to see what they do with the cities and perhaps song completions....It's a fun game as-is, but I think it has potential to be so much more....WWE on the other hand.....the ring kinda hurts it's potential, but I think some more code would help...a little. I hate to see dud pins.....especially for those that bought them NIB. Mustang got slammed, which kept me from picking up a premium...I like the games, but I don't want to take a $2K loss on it.

I've been waiting for the new code to switch out the songs. Been a few weeks since I turned the game on.

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I'm waiting for the next code drop to see if this is a game I want to purchase. I like a lot of things about it but I'm not taking a risk on the code not being good enough when it's finished. Not saying stern won't get my money, but they won't for KISS in it's current state.

I would have thought with a huge branding like KISS this title would get well looked after? I mean be the flag ship of the pins they have made to date ...yet nothing ???

Every Stern game is licensed with "huge" branding. Kiss is no different.

Actually your wrong there ..kiss is one of the biggest brands out there and also when you see the high demands for the old bally 7os version you would know how popular it is even today. So they need to get this title right ...unless your under 30 you wouldn't know this sunshine

In any case, Kiss has zero clout when it comes to coding issues.

Really? so you think if Gene got on Gary's arse about the lame code that Gary would tell him "you have zero clout Gene".......... I think not

Based on on the last several years the issues seem to based on the programming team. For whatever reason they just seem to have fewer updates with more time in between them. I think Mustang code wise turned out pretty good so hopefully they get it right. The game looks great and shots pretty good so it would be a shame if it comes up short code wise.

I doubt Gene Simmons knows about or cares what "code" is. I'm not going to debate the importance of Kiss compared to other licenses...it's irrelevant. Every license stern deals with is "important" and protective of their brand. Not ONE has ever held Stern accountable for pinball code issues. It's just completely off their radar.

man, she bends good !

Yet NIB owners continue to claim they were "deceived" when it comes to code.
If new collectors keep drinking the Stern coding "Cool Aid", not much the community can do to fix the problem.
Licensing of themes does not seem to effect the willingness of Stern to finish the code properly, ever.
WWE or NASCAR anyone?
Extremely popular in the certain "worlds".
Especially with fanboys who like to dress up in spandex and climb on chairs.

Distributors don't make a fuss either, until sales start stalling.
Some are getting "leary" now though, and preorders are cautious for many titles.
They are watching the market closely.
Operators have significant influence, but it takes some time to get the steam engine running based on circular feedback.
Heaven help us again if GB does the same thing as GoT, and shuddering of what would happen like with Xmen, Avengers, WoF, KISS, WWE and many others.

I still don't know why collectors do not at least play the game as a test or on location early enough to make a proper judgement.
Things really do stand out quickly with just a few dollars of gameplay.
It is not that hard to find what you are looking for, do a location search.
I remember playing one of the earliest runs of LOTR back in 2003 in Las Vegas.
Put a couple of hours under my belt and made a good quality assessment.

I realize a person *might* miss out on a LE, but generally premiums have most of the features anyway.
Not that I would mind have a real backglass again on some of my later machines, but that is not worth an extra $1000. The only backglasses that are worth $1000 or more are prototypes or the original art, and good ones at that. Those do not even go in machines, but on walls in frames protected.

I own one late model "modern" Stern for good reason right now and it is not because of pinball budgetary concerns.

Dream themes cause collectors to "Day 1 Buy" ...that's why licensing works. I'm guilty of it. When it's a theme you feel was made "just for you" you put on your rose colored glasses and hope for the best! Not saying it's right...but that's what happens.

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I'm more offended by the fact that you still don't know when to use "you're" instead of "your".

Your is correct ... same as we spell colour instead of color ... like when you yanks say Mom we say Mum .... so ' your ' is correct

Wow.

You're = you are.
Your = possessive.

This isn't an American English vs. British English issue.

http://m.wikihow.com/Use-You're-and-Your

I am not exactly sure what is going in the LE's can be considered a real backglass in the "classic" sense. It is a piece of glass with the artwork stuck on to it. Not direct screened/printed like we all are use to. Much cheaper than a "real" backglass.

I never trust someone who doesn't know the difference between your and you're...it's so simple!

As far as Stern code, I've come to terms with their system. It was really easy to blast them for taking a year or more on most titles, cause, after all...Uncle Willy almost NEVER released unfinished games.

But then you think about it...even an early code Stern is usually as deep as any of those Williams games. Even something like KISS as it is now. So I'll cut them some slack...games like Metallica and Walking Dead are just average releases until the code gets updated. They are working real miracles with the code and it takes time.

You just mentioned two Lyman games. Kiss is not a Lyman game....you can't compare Kiss to Met/TWD.

Agreed.

The more I play Kiss, the more I enjoy it. The code can absolutely improve, but Jesus Christ, the game has 4 multiballs, a wizard mode, hurry-ups, super scoring, etc. Combined with some difficult shots, it's still a ton of fun. Kiss plays kind of like a jacked SS game, but I think we've come to expect more with modern games. Kiss isn't abandoned or forgotten... It's just taking longer than anticipated for a killer update.

I though SM Black was screened with silver mirroring in 2007? Is not Whoa Nellie a proper backglass? I don't know what Stern is doing now to cut corners.

C'mon Stern, today is the day!

Tomorrow is the IFPA Provincial Championships. What a great way to show off new code, and have it tested by the best around.

show us some lovin', kiss code for valentines weekend!!

Agreed. Not saying Kiss does not deserve an update, but my feeling is that the effort should be put first on WWE. Sales are probably not in the same league but providing a major update for WWE would send a very positive positive signal for future sales - Sten does not forget its buyers even for pins that do not sell well.

Jean-Louis, WWE didnt sell well here in Europe, not sure its the same story in the US

Different people are working on different games, so there's no "code priority" based on release date...just "when it's done, it's done"

I'm not going to say, "someone should tell the WOF developer... he's done".

Nope... not going there.
faz

Stern just posted KISS code....

For 10% off Stern KISS merch.
Happy Valentines.

Stern...here's a ridiculously crazy idea...if you can't release updated code for every machine in production within a 4 month time frame...HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO WRITE CODE. It's not rocket science...the lead programmer should pretty much know what he wants to accomplish with the overall code, who should be able to disseminate that information to a team of programmers. If that team is overwhelmed with any particular project...HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO WRITE CODE!

+++above ++1

But people already bought the games, why would they put more money into an already sold product if they don't have to... :/

Not to burn bridges. Which is what stern is doing now with the collector market. Once a competitor is big enough to rival Stern they will really see the price of their arrogance. Ask Comcast and the other big tv providers in the states what they think about Netflix. These guys took advantage of their consumer base for years then Netflix came along and changed everything

The immediate answer to your question is so they can sell more games...the long term answer would be because people like me will eventually get fed up with Stern's crap and quit buying NIB pins...

Or you will buy elsewhere.

We heard it's coming. But nobody really knows when. I truly wish Stern would have more of a schedule for code releases so owners could wait and not have to be so frustrated all the time.

Throwing more people into the mix to write code doesn't always work well or get a software project done faster.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%E2%80%99_law

That is to say 3 possibilities:
-the programmers wwe / kiss are zero;
-they do not have the same means that the GOT programmers;
-stern use these people to create new pinball by abandoning the already sold models

I vote for the latter.
Stern mocks these customers and this is the truth.
They have no excuse.

GOT is out with a very good code and has already received a lot of updating.
WWE is output with an average code and no updates.
Compare update files, you will see !!!

The flippers should come out with a complete code.
Or, STERN should write in large letters on the board: not complete CODE to inform customers.

A good company should put everything in place to satisfy these customers.

For me the new pinball, it's over.

It is best to wait 15 months: the pinball opportunity is cheaper and the code is complete.

I am surprised more have not sold their Kiss machines, this wait is pathetic! I have a feeling when GB comes out people will be dumping. There is zero chance GB gets released without decent code.

People are so anxious for this title that Stern could release it with 10% code and it would sell like hotcakes.

It always takes 2-3 years for Stern code to be final - count on it.

What is pathetic:
is when publients new code for already complete Pinball
it is when they are advertising to sell new pinball machines and new accessories (valentine 10%)
It's sad