Well its a national holiday here in Australia.. back to reality now as its Saturday one day ahead of you while you enjoy your Friday

I let my machine run in attract mode for a full minute before I play the first game. Never skips.

I live in Illinois and work in a factory. Whole plant is down for Holiday......just sayin'

Yep, I have noticed this. I keep thinking "update's around the corner."

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Tomorrow never comes.

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Dont worry Stern has responded saying its coming soon quoted november 2015

Congrats!

Voices in my head say it's coming tomorrow!!

Code can't fix bad pinball design.

Same thing people were saying about The Walking Dead not too long ago.

Luckily the layout is good, we just need some code!

You got that one right and this game will be great soon

Where is the kiss code.......... The same place GB will be in a few months and the same people will bitch about it. (I'll never buy nib again....blah blah) yea whatever. It's always the same people. They never learn.

You'll have to add a year to your above statement. And also assume that GB ships with virtually beta level code.

THEN it will be in the 'same place' as kiss is currently in.

Dwight is doing ghostbusters...it'll never be on the same crap level that KISS is currently on and what Star Trek was on.

this is the first time I have checked back in this thread after 32 days...7 pages of "tomorrows the day"...

I am at a stopping point with my Premium. Stern really dropped the ball on this one. Even Stern rewrote the entire code, I am not sure I would be excited to play it anymore. Hell I play my Avatar more than my Kiss.

I have one question for Lonnie:

Another long weekend come and gone. Perhaps may long weekend code will come.

Personally I don't think code can make this game much better anyways. It's certainly not the worst game ever but it's only average at best and always will be.

i gotta laugh... so many on here are saying its a terrible game in frustration that the code hasn't come out. yet these same people will praise highly this game when the code hits . its always going to be

Yeah have to disagree there. To each their own we all have our own likes. IMO it's a great layout with huge potential.

I love the layout - lighting is sweet and the music rocks. A few more rules and she'll be good to go.

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TWD has a slew of other issues besides code that make it a bad design. Lets not pretend that TWD and Kiss have much to do with pinball. It's more about the theme and eye-candy on both of those machines. They get played a LOT by non pinball people on location. That does NOT mean that they are well designed pinball games.

I know those that love the two games but that seems to be the exception, and not the rule. There is simply no comparison to SM, LOTR, MET, etc. if we are spouting off about other Stern titles.

TWD and KISS are certainly "behind" the fun factor of those games and "new code" is not fixing that.

Another case in point: Stern Star Trek. I don't know Star Trek, I don't care about Star Trek, but that game is a very well designed table. So much better in so many ways than TWD or KISS, if we are being honest. I like Kiss music and TWD is a fantastic TV show but that really has nothing to do with how well a pinball machine is designed. Theme implementation can only offer the pinball player so much. It can add a lot to the entire pinball experience, but it should never be the starting point to find a great playing pinball machine.

Pinball is different things to different people that play the game. Theses are all just opinions. Those that like KISS or TWD certainly see something in those games that I just I don't feel rewarded about as a player or buyer.

TWD absolutely crushes ST IMO. Couldn't disagree more with your breakdown of the two.

So which will arrive first: ghostbusters LE to my house or KISS code update?

My distributor said May or June for ghostbusters.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you KISS owners and saying code.

I'm curious. In theme or design? Or both?

I agree with you on theme integration. I disagree with you on layout/design/rules.

Sorry man, but you're going to have to explain this "bad design" "fact" that you keep referring to. How is KISS a bad layout/design? there are two ramps that feel smooth and satisfying to hit, two features to shoot for, both with kickouts and one with a randomizing spinner disc, a scoop, and drop targets/stand-ups to shoot for. I'm not seeing what you mean by "bad design". I can't speak to TWD cuz I don't own one and haven't played one yet. I confess I haven't read your previous post, so I apologize if you explained it there. I'll scroll up.

Don't be sorry.

Ok, think Stern IJ... Then look at the KISS play field. Ugh. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

The Gene head thing is a total fail. Look at how well the SAME assembly is integrated in Tron or even POTC for that matter.
I could go on but it's much like religion with pinball. The more points made seem to alienate people rather than join them together.

I shared my thoughts and respect those that like TWD and KISS.

THanks for the explanation, I think I see where you're coming from. I agree that TRON is basically similar with the elements of the design, it even has one or two less features, but man it's a whole different animal when you play it!

I think the kiss head is fun. Spinner under it should be more aggressive but 'total fail'? nah. Certainly not enough to make someone sick. The pin is fun, pure and simple. Great code would/could make it a VERY fun pin.

But i'm just an average pin player than has fun playing and to me, sounds, lights, theme are all part of the fun.

I think theme integration is actually debatable. I think the "Hick" voice kills TWD theme for me a bit.

The layout on TWD is unique, and while I understand the gripe about the pops, I really like it. ST feels like the safest layout in the history of pinball. I can't think of a single exciting shot on the playfield. It flows wonderfully, but that isn't enough to move the needle for me.

As for code, I think the recent TWD code easily surpasses ST. ST has the same "shoot the arrows" feel that KISS has, without much else. TWD doesn't feel like I'm shooting arrows, but instead making progress towards a more intricate goal. Add to that the prison magnet, well walker bash toy, and bicycle girl ramp, and I think you have the total package.

Edit to add: Totally forgot about the crossbow and walker bombs!

Because it's proven table design and old hat really. Kiss/TWD are pretty unique from my thinking and that can have a lot to do with it. There are certain(t)ly things I don't like on both layouts though.

All kind of old ideas/parts really. Guess they threw in some old with the new

Oh yeah, I wasn't saying that those items were new/unique, just that they were added elements that were missing from a pin like ST. ST is about as basic a layout with as few features/toys as I can think of in the modern Stern era.

The features are not necessarily original on TWD, but how they're laid out on the playfield make for a unique gaming experience (if that makes sense).

I don't own Kiss but I have played it a lot at our local arcade and I think the layout is fun to shoot. I think with good code this game could be fantastic. Kiss as a band does nothing for me, but if the code turns out really good I wouldn't mind owning a Pro.

Yeah I am not a KISS fan at all so I was not interested initially. However, after playing the pin I liked the layout enough to buy it. It surprised me. I totally agree the code is not where it needs to be but I have faith that it is being reworked and will end up being solid. I know some will not like it as much as I do that's just the nature of pinball.

I think Kiss deserves better code because 1) Layout is good 2) Artwork is nice and a great hommage to the Bally version.
If I had something negative to say about the game it is that the LE/Pre/Pro versions of the cabinet do not seem distinctive enough.
With good code it could be a very good Stern. Coming from someone who is far from a Kiss fan.

Or my Ghostbusters LE in NJ before yours and the Kiss LE code

I'm in NJ too.

Stern is pimpin Kiss accessories HARD on FB...Of course, if I say anything about when the most important 'accessory' will be released I'll be banished from their page...Ugh.

I will continue to believe in the inside info I was given of/by May 8th for code drop. It would be really cool to have new code on KISS in time for MGC and PAPA!

By this rate I hope they add an extra song or two, to make up for lost time.

First off guys I own a Kiss pro and love the game as is. It could use a few tweaks in the software but is far from bad code. See some of the Sega and Data east older games if you want some poor code. Even Williams has some poor games out there due to software only. I enjoy my Kiss a ton. it is far from the only pin I own too.

Good that you enjoy it. But the code is weak right now. Weak as hell. Like...beta weak. It doesn't even have outlane sounds or use the city features at all.

And don't forget a bunch of cities that when selected, do absolutely nothing..............

the pin isn't getting played by me. thank goodness for mettalica and my got pro. if the code drops in may, ghostbusters le's might be delivered before the new code.