I paid a little too much for my POTC and I'm trying to get rid of it and recoup as much of the money I lost as possible. I can give the game back to the retailer and take a $500 loss, sell the game for what I paid for, or trade the game for something I do want plus some cash. What would you guys do? I'm losing my mind over this as I've already lost way too much money with my TZ restore project that I ended up parting out...
Quoted from robertmee:If you can sell the game for what you paid for, that'd be the obvious choice.
+1
Quoted from GoneFishinLvMsg:Why not keep it?
There's other games I want more. I also think I can do better with the money I paid for it. Selling it is the probelm... I honestly don't think I'll get my money back or anywhere close. I could try, but the add will probably end up on RGP with a bunch of those idiots taking their swipe at me with fake phone calls like they did with my TZ cabinet.
Quoted from robertmee:How much? We might better be able to answer your ?
It was 5600 plus tax, so about 5900. I need to do better research on pricing next time...
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:Did you buy it because you like it, or you were wanting to make a profit on it?
I liked it at the time, but there are better games I would rather use that money for now.
Ouch....
HUO POTC's are going in the 4.5K range, so you're going to have a tough time recouping that.
My advice would be to work with the retailer....see if they'll allow you to trade it in for something you'll enjoy. To retain you as a potential repeat customer, hopefully they'll work with you.
How many plays have you put on it since you bought it from the retailer? If enough to where they'll have to do a minimum shop job again to prep it for resale, expect to take $200 to $300 hit. Shouldn't be $500, IMHO.
Quoted from robertmee:Ouch....
HUO POTC's are going in the 4.5K range, so you're going to have a tough time recouping that.
My advice would be to work with the retailer....see if they'll allow you to trade it in for something you'll enjoy. To retain you as a potential repeat customer, hopefully they'll work with you.
How many plays have you put on it since you bought it from the retailer? If enough to where they'll have to do a minimum shop job again to prep it for resale, expect to take $200 to $300 hit. Shouldn't be $500, IMHO.
They told me I would take a $500 loss if I brought it back in. I reset the audits on the machine the moment I first turned it on at home. It only got about 29 total plays since then. I'm in college, so playing pinball isn't always the best use of my time.
Quoted from vid1900:Sell it back to the retailer - he's giving you more money than anyone is ever going to give.
Don't wait for him to change his mind; do it now!
I'll have to agree with that!
Quoted from vid1900:Sell it back to the retailer - he's giving you more money than anyone is ever going to give.
Don't wait for him to change his mind; do it now!
Do this. Take the $500 loss and call it lesson learned.
Quoted from sammiesguys:Do this. Take the $500 loss and call it lesson learned.
They have an IJ for sale for the same price. Should I do a trade with them?
Quoted from jayhawkai:and which IJ?
It's the Williams version. I do actually like this game, but what I really want is my TZ and RS back.
Quoted from wescor97:That sucks... Your $2,000 upside down in that game
Don't worry...Obama will come in and save the day. I heard he has a new program in the works for upside down pinball buyers.
Are you sure they will trade even up? They wont make any money that way, so it may not fly.
Either way, I would say Dump it back on them for $5100 and learn from it.
The hardest lessons learned are also the best lessons learned.
29 plays? At least if you're going to lose $500 on it play the crap out of it for a couple days and get over a couple hundred on it. If you buy a game and put only 29 plays on it, I'm not really sure why you're buying pinball machines in the first place.
I think I might just take the financial loss and be done with pinball period. Ever since the RGP incidents, I feel as though I can't trust anyone in this hobby anymore. Now that I'm getting ripped off again with pinball, I think it's best to leave this hobby and find something more welcoming. Three years trying to build a collection and I've lost everything including the support from my family and other collectors.
Quoted from pinballsmith:I think I might just take the financial loss and be done with pinball period. Ever since the RGP incidents, I feel as though I can't trust anyone in this hobby anymore. Now that I'm getting ripped off again with pinball, I think it's best to leave this hobby and find something more welcoming. Three years trying to build a collection and I've lost everything including the support from my family and other collectors.
What RGP incidents? It's been around for decades, so you'll have to be more specific. If you're building a collection by buying from retailers, you can't expect to come out ahead financially. Also, you lost everything by trying to build a collection?
Always assume you will make a loss, that's how pinball usually is anyway. It's a horrendous money sink.
I just sold an Apollo 13 taking a $300 loss because the previous owner mis-described it to me, that's just how it is. If the retailer will give you cost-$500 in cash then I'd take it, but if that's trade-in it's likely all their other games are on the high side and you'll be trapped in the situation over and over again.
Quoted from pinballsmith:Now that I'm getting ripped off again with pinball, I think it's best to leave this hobby and find something more welcoming.
You didn't get ripped off. You didn't do your homework in pricing a game and overpaid. After being in the hobby for three years, you should know better. Whether it is pinball, cars, stamps, bird watching, or whatever, you
A) aren't going to make money at a hobby....Best case you tread water (incidentally pinball over the past 10 years has been the best hobby to be in for prices appreciating),
B) are going to take it with your pants down if you allow it and don't do your homework,
C) will meet your share of a-holes in any hobby
D) will meet your share of some of the best people in any hobby
Any hobby is what you make of it. If you have got a sour taste from pinball, then yep, get out, permanently or for awhile and try something else.
Good Luck
I'm not sure what to do from this point. It's not the money issue that bothers me that much, it's the harassment from other collectors. I'm young and ignorant, that I do know. Sending me hateful emails and phone calls is just never within reason.
Quoted from pinballsmith:I think I might just take the financial loss and be done with pinball period. Ever since the RGP incidents, I feel as though I can't trust anyone in this hobby anymore. Now that I'm getting ripped off again with pinball, I think it's best to leave this hobby and find something more welcoming. Three years trying to build a collection and I've lost everything including the support from my family and other collectors.
I'd hate to see you leave pinball.
Maybe rethink what you enjoy about it and tackle it again.
Blaming others isn't the answer. Some people got on you on RGP, big deal. In the whole scheme of things it didn't really matter did it ? You are getting ripped off - AGAIN ? It's up to you to do your homework and get the most pinball bang for your buck.
A couple set backs, use it as a learning experience and move forward.
I hope you find a way to enjoy pinball again.
LTG 
Quoted from pinballsmith:I'm not sure what to do from this point. It's not the money issue that bothers me that much, it's the harassment from other collectors. I'm young and ignorant, that I do know. Sending me hateful emails and phone calls is just never within reason.
Look at your email screen, find the delete thing and use it.
Phone - you can hang up, ignore callers, block callers.
You won't always be young. That you can't stop.
If you feel you are ignorant ( and I don't think you are, maybe frustrated, but not ignorant ) that you can do something about.
LTG
Rgp is chock full of misplaced overthinking and overreactions. Mostly good guys mind you, but some real ass wipes spouting free Internet and dumping on everyone. I haven't even been there in over 2 weeks now.
Your among friends here bro. I took a huge hit on my first pin. Retailer saw me coming. Lesson learned and just trying to pay it forward to others, here and in life. All experiences are how you perceive them. Adapt and overcome man! 
Hobbies are supposed to cost money, $500 is a fair loss for a NIB experience.
Retail is retail, if you go retail you pay retail.
Sorry for the RGP drama, it's no better here (search WOZ, ACDC, X-Men or any FS thread) at times.
Pinball isn't ripping you off, retail NIB is ripping you off if thats even possible. Thats normal though, not everyone waits 3 years & drives 900 miles for a decently priced HUO machine posted on some obscure forum for 3 hours.
What happened on RGP? Blame the bad people not the hobby or machines.
There are many more good guys than bad guys in this hobby. It is just the the b-wipes tend to spout off more often and more brazenly than everyone else. Many many more good guys just lurk in the shadows. If you put a WTB in the forums you tend to get some good leads of people that are decent. Ask for many pics and do your background checks, search the archives, etc.
I have never had a bad deal yet in 5 years and have met some great guys.
Get your $5100 dollars back, first and foremost.
Go to one of the pinball expos and play some games - meet some people. It won't take long to see who the pricks are (probably 10 minutes).
A retailer has to charge more money to pay for the shop and the overhead involved. Just like a car dealer is going to give you $2000 less for your trade in than the car is worth - they have to pay for overhead.
Quoted from eggbert52:Don't worry...Obama will come in and save the day. I heard he has a new program in the works for upside down pinball buyers.
Hey egghead, see the new job numbers? You Obama haters have nothing when it comes to employment. Numbers are identical to when he took office, and he inherited a shit storm. Jobs were hemorraging under Bush...and yes, they continued to for months. Obamas fault? Really? But what do we have here?
Oh, and guess what? Jobs in th private sector have grown - on average - .9% a year in Obamas 4 years. The Bush average for 8 years? .8%. That's right, more private sector growth under Obama.
Oh, and the stock market is up about 4000 points under Obama...and everyone is now covered by healthcare... And he nailed Osama Bin Ladens ass and ended the war in Iraq.
I'm supporting my President....because he's rescued the country and he basically did it without the help of congress. So how do you like that haters?
Socialist my ass. Bitches!
ps: when I read any bs political post I will respond. And you better have your facts straight, or i will gut you in a debate.
I agree about getting your money back first. Then you need to rethink your strategy. There is no reason to give up something you enjoy, just because of a few bad experiences and mistakes.
Find a game that you like, and then buy it eventually. But you seem to be compounding your mistakes. And that is never a good thing.
There are plenty of good and helpful people in pinball. You just need to keep looking. And always think before you leap. I have a feeling you haven't really been doing that.
Also, I have no idea why people are trying to inject political crap into this. It's stupid.
Quoted from pinballsmith:I think I might just take the financial loss and be done with pinball period. Ever since the RGP incidents, I feel as though I can't trust anyone in this hobby anymore. Now that I'm getting ripped off again with pinball, I think it's best to leave this hobby and find something more welcoming. Three years trying to build a collection and I've lost everything including the support from my family and other collectors.
This is a dog-eat-dog hobby, no doubt about that.
Quoted from pinballsmith:I think I might just take the financial loss and be done with pinball period. Ever since the RGP incidents, I feel as though I can't trust anyone in this hobby anymore. Now that I'm getting ripped off again with pinball, I think it's best to leave this hobby and find something more welcoming. Three years trying to build a collection and I've lost everything including the support from my family and other collectors.
I hear ya. Sorry or hijacking your post with my political rant, but I'm in a bad effing mood okay as I just got f@&$ed in a deal by someone that holds himself up as a respectable guy. Another guy got screwed too, and it was just flat out mendacity and double dealing. I can argue an opinion with someone and break bread with people I don't agree with politically so long as they are true. But I can not abide by a freaking liar. In pissed off.
Quoted from PW79:Great, more politics.
Just keep in mind no one has it all figured out, some people just read or heard different lies than the other person.
There are lots of lies. But there are facts and statistics too. And you live by them and die by them. And so do the liars. All politics, rhetoric is easily proven as more or less true or not...but very few people attempt to learn the truth. They care more about the nfl refs and college football than the lies. I'd be happy to let those people get exactly what they deserve if they weren't dragging me - and everyone else down with them.
Especially people that think they're rich capitalists when they're basically lower middle class or worse and can't even hear the music their dancing to....on strings.
Quoted from PW79:Great, more politics.
Mine was merely a smart ass quip...not a psycho rant.
Quoted from eggbert52:Mine was merely a smart ass quip...not a psycho rant.
You take the word smart out of that sentence and you got something! 
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