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When you get burned on your first pinsode purchase


By Localspeedshop

56 days ago



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    #1 56 days ago

    Got to tell you I didn’t think it would happen to me but guess it’s a numbers game ..

    I always trust everyone , I’m old school hand shake or my word and we have a deal ...

    Sent out cash for two pins . 2700/3500 .

    Neither going to make it here after only a few days already not communicating..

    Sad to see people like this especially on what I thought would be exclusive group but so many scammers now a days ...

    I’m going to pursue all the info I have on addresses and phone numbers and work in tracking them down [Edited by mod team] ... I don’t take this stuff lightly and no one deserves to be taken advantage of pursuing their past time !

    I’ve made a few calls before their info goes stale on me .. should I fly out the goons YOU BET !

    #2 56 days ago

    Lets have all the info, this sounds juicy.
    -Mike

    #3 56 days ago

    When you say you “sent out cash”, what do you mean exactly? Cash in an envelope through the mail?

    #4 56 days ago
    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    Lets have all the info, this sounds juicy.
    -Mike

    Replied to market ad for fish tales pin , they sent a bunch of pics .... then we discussed getting them dropped off for me to ship etc . Sent PayPal transfer same as always ..

    Now no responses whatsoever been since Friday ...

    However his so called friend was selling another pin and noticed I was looking for it trolling my pin profile ..

    He put me in contact .. I made a call and he got back to me with pics and details on the pin ... we made a deal and I sent PayPal again same as always ..

    Now no status updates and that’s the end of that . Adios cashola

    #5 56 days ago

    Not really. If you were scammed (or just unhappy with the transaction for almost any reason--valid or not) Paypal is so weighted towards the buyer you should have no trouble cancelling this transaction and getting your money back. If your PayPal method was with a CC, even better--another bite out of the apple.

    #6 56 days ago

    Uh oh, assuming you used PayPal friends and family then. Sorry to hear that, hope it works out. Where are they located?

    #7 56 days ago

    So fish tales turned into a phishing tale? Sorry to hear that.

    #8 56 days ago

    Sent friends and family ... never had an issue must have bought 60 machines last three years but from now on will do PayPal regular and conver the fees ..

    Too bad regardless people like that on here wished it was only a place for hardcore collectors with good intentioms .

    #9 56 days ago

    Contact PayPal. They will help you. Even if you used friends and family.

    I would use escrow.com for future purchases. Protects both buyer and seller. And as a buyer you can pay escrow.com using PayPal.

    #10 56 days ago

    Even with friends and family you can get it back from PayPal or the credit card company linked to your PayPal account, not sure about bank account PayPal link.

    #11 56 days ago

    That sucks. Very sorry to hear. PayPal will absolutely help you (especially if you payed with a credit card).

    Also, prior to sending out the goons perhaps you should disclose the Pinsiders that ripped you off, or at the very least reach out to the mods?

    Presume these were guys with a track record here?

    #12 56 days ago

    What are the handles of these people? It would be a benefit to this community to know who the scammers are.

    #13 56 days ago
    Quoted from f3honda4me:

    Contact PayPal. They will help you. Even if you used friends and family.
    I would use escrow.com for future purchases. Protects both buyer and seller. And as a buyer you can pay escrow.com using PayPal.

    Ok thx I will look into this !!

    #14 56 days ago

    Sadly this am I went online and saw permantly blocked profile . BOYD was name ...

    His friend who knows .. but have both their PayPal address and did some digging already .

    See what I can do to recoup some hard earned cash ...

    Side note I will verify more about seller I guess next time .. love the pin side there isn’t much for sale where I’m from

    #15 56 days ago

    Uh Oh. Might be time to get the pitchforks out and find out who these guys are!

    #16 56 days ago

    That sucks, I hope you can get your money back.

    #17 56 days ago

    Only deal with pinsiders with a positive reputation and feedback. That is the best way to help eliminate possible issues. I’ve worked hard to build a good reputation and try to be honest with everyone.

    #18 56 days ago

    @Robin
    Maybe you can help out this situation.
    -Mike

    #19 56 days ago

    Yes totally going to use this as a baseline from now on as I am still buying pins regardless of this happening ..

    #20 56 days ago

    Very simple. Is your paypal account linked to credit card?

    #21 56 days ago

    Credit card through PayPal goods and services payment only (you absorb the fees) unless cash on glass. Hopefully it all works out for you.

    #22 56 days ago
    Quoted from Localspeedshop:

    Sent friends and family

    You messed up there.

    #23 56 days ago

    Yeah I know ... but everyone always complains on PayPal and it’s hard buying from Canada and shipping up here to Michigan ..

    I can’t do much really .. got a few phone numbers and will send someone there to ring a door bell or more that’s about all I can do .

    In the meantime will just make sure they have some feedback or pay with secured and absorb the fees ...

    I have always trusted PayPal but so many don’t likely cause they scammed in the other side ..

    Cheers to all the honest people and shame on the rest ... wont be able to get the Munsters for a little bit longer now

    #24 56 days ago

    Do you have an address? I live 20 minutes from Tacoma. I would be happy to look into it for you.

    I was contacted by pinside yesterday that he was a scammer. He had contacted me about a pin I had for sale.

    #25 56 days ago

    Son of a bitch! I hate thieves! This guy needs his ass stomped.

    #26 56 days ago

    Damn man sorry to hear this. Hope you get yer money back. Atleast reach out to one of us that's been around and ask about them. Hopefully we can help ya next time.

    #27 56 days ago

    I’m sorry to hear that. Pinside is a close-knit community and it’s shit that someone would do that. Always look for feedback and be hesitant with users who don’t.
    Anytime someone mentions a “friend” don’t trust them. The only time I will trust “friends” is of the original source is a reputable seller with honest feedback.

    #28 56 days ago

    Bank transfer only. Screw PayPal

    #29 56 days ago

    I hare people that steal!!!! Scum -Bag losers!!

    #30 56 days ago
    Quoted from Jjsmooth:

    Bank transfer only. Screw PayPal

    Uh, that would have been even worse for the buyer here who got scammed...

    #31 56 days ago
    Quoted from f3honda4me:

    Uh, that would have been even worse for the buyer here who got scammed...

    Yup. A friend of a friend lost their $60k house down payment through a mortgage phishing scam. A few clicks and it was gone.

    #32 56 days ago

    Fucking crooks: the lowest of the low, the scummiest of the scumbags. Hope Paypal helps you out.

    #33 56 days ago
    Quoted from Localspeedshop:

    Yeah I know ... but everyone always complains on PayPal and it’s hard buying from Canada and shipping up here to Michigan ..
    I can’t do much really .. got a few phone numbers and will send someone there to ring a door bell or more that’s about all I can do .
    In the meantime will just make sure they have some feedback or pay with secured and absorb the fees ...
    I have always trusted PayPal but so many don’t likely cause they scammed in the other side ..
    Cheers to all the honest people and shame on the rest ... wont be able to get the Munsters for a little bit longer now

    OP - Just some info for future use..... most people ask for PayPal to be Friends and Family so they don't have to absorb the fee. Something I do is ... I tell them I understand their point but I will offer to pay the fee for them. I believe the PayPal fee is something like .034% so it would've costed you like 210$ (speaking USD here) more but you have the security knowing that if things go array you have the protection.

    Again, like others have stated here, reach out to PayPal and ask them to open a dispute even though you paid with the F&F option!

    #34 56 days ago

    Last time i shipped I used Vid's advice and used escrow.com. There were fees but peace of mind also.

    #35 56 days ago
    Quoted from meSz:

    OP - Just some info for future use..... most people ask for PayPal to be Friends and Family so they don't have to absorb the fee. Something I do is ... I tell them I understand their point but I will offer to pay the fee for them. I believe the PayPal fee is something like .034% so it would've costed you like 210$ (speaking USD here) more but you have the security knowing that if things go array you have the protection.
    Again, like others have stated here, reach out to PayPal and ask them to open a dispute even though you paid with the F&F option!

    Or, offer to use escrow.com and pay about a $180 fee, and have complete protection for both buyer and seller.

    #36 56 days ago

    Was this bought thru a pinsider or the Kijiji scammer? My bad if it was thru pinside.

    The kijiji scammer was discussed on the Anybody have any pins for sale in Canada thread. Pics pulled off eBay, responders told game is in different city then posted, underpriced, posted in numerous cities, etc. Red flags everywhere on that one. Usually only direct deposit with references or cash on glass for pin purchases off kijiji. PayPal maybe if reputable pinsider.

    Sad thing is this same scumbag will be at it next month, trying to scam omebody else.

    #37 56 days ago

    Link to the ad?

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    #38 56 days ago

    Sorry to hear that you were scammed.

    It's important to look at a member's history and reputation on the site. When they have no posts and little activity and are recently registered, that's generally a red flag.

    Sometimes people are hesitant to report a scam after they realize they have been taken, and that just gives the scammer more opportunity to continue operating. Yes, it's a little embarassing, but the sooner you report it, the sooner we can try to prevent the same thing from happening to others.

    Another member did report boyd's suspicious behavior, and we shut down the account immediately after that. Unfortunately, he had already been actively contacting people for a little while by the time we became aware of the account.

    Moderators can't see PMs. So, if you have someone who is contacting you that looks a little fishy, you are always welcome to open a moderator feedback thread and ask for a second opinion. We would much prefer to see possible false alarms, rather than have complete silence and let a potential scammer operate unimpeded. A little pro-activeness goes a long way.

    Right now, a common scam is for one account to PM you saying something like "hey, my friend over in (town) has what you're looking for. Here's his email address: g1bb3r1sh@aFreeEmailAccount.com" Basically, that's sometimes to lure potential victims away from the site in case the account gets blocked while the correspondence is underway. Or, make a referral for another member's account who is in reality the same scammer, just operating two accounts.

    Scammers are a tricky bunch and are always finding loopholes and workarounds. They're grifters and con men, and now that they've learned some of the terminology of the pinball hobby, it's gotten a bit more difficult for less experienced buyers to pick them out as scammers.

    Quoted from Grizlyrig:

    @Robin
    Maybe you can help out this situation.
    -Mike

    Unfortunately, there's not much he can do once the scammer has done the deed or after the account has been blocked. He can provide documentation if requested by the financial institution, but usually the scammer uses throwaway accounts that aren't very traceable.

    Quoted from f3honda4me:

    Contact PayPal. They will help you. Even if you used friends and family.

    I've read in other threads that people were SOL if they used friends & family and tried to report the scam to paypal. Paypal came back saying that is what the goods & services option was for. You can always try contacting paypal, but I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.

    If you used a credit card as the funding source, you could potentially do a charge back.

    So, please keep your eyes and ears open, use common sense, and trust that little warning bell in the back of your mind. Please report any fishy or suspicious behavior. Even if you're not quite sure about someone being a possible scammer, please report it anyway; we're usually fairly adept at getting to the bottom of it and nobody is harmed even if it happens to turn out to be a false positive. Better safe than sorry, and again, your pro-active reporting could save someone else from being scammed.

    #39 56 days ago

    Escrow.com
    Escrow.com
    Escrow.com
    End of story unless you are putting cash on the glass.

    #40 56 days ago

    Did you talk to the seller on the phone? It's much easier to get a read on someone over the phone vs. emails/PMs.

    #41 56 days ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Right now, a common scam is for one account to PM you saying something like "hey, my friend over in (town) has what you're looking for. Here's his email address: g1bb3r1sh@aFreeEmailAccount.com" Basically, that's sometimes to lure potential victims away from the site in case the account gets blocked while the correspondence is underway. Or, make a referral for another member's account who is in reality the same scammer, just operating two accounts.
    Scammers are a tricky bunch and are always finding loopholes and workarounds.

    Oh crap!!! My Sinbad for sale ad is for a friend. No wonder it didn't sell yet.

    #42 56 days ago

    I hate stuff like this, but don't get your hopes up with PP. You and/or the scammers tried to beat PP out of some fees. You told them it was for a friend, and now you have to go to them and say help me, I lied. There's a lot of smart people here...who have the skills and the will to track people down. But they have to have a starting place from you.

    Best of luck.

    #43 56 days ago

    There was one from where I'm at for sale... Same thing... Selling for a friend. I asked for video from the game and it just sold.
    I also asked for a few other things, and I get back just sold it.
    Which is possible. A low priced pin like Sinbad can sell quickly... And it can also sit for awhile.
    But, I always find it fishy when they sell so quickly after I asked for simple information.

    And I hope you reach out to paypal. All they can say is no, your money is gone. But, there is a chance where they say, yep we got your money back for you.
    So no real harm and will only take a few minutes.

    I refuse to do friends and family. If anything I'll add a little bit of money to the final price, but most of the time I make the person eat the price, because that's the cost of doing business.

    #44 56 days ago

    I never like hearing someone got scammed - but when a pinsider gets scammed it becomes personal. I'm glad that the account has been identified and removed. OP - I hope paypal takes care of you. Please keep us posted.

    #45 56 days ago
    Quoted from arcademojo:

    Oh crap!!! My Sinbad for sale ad is for a friend. No wonder it didn't sell yet.

    I wouldn't worry too much. You have a history and reputation on the site.

    My comments were mainly in reference to accounts with no posts, no site activity, and fairly new. So when two accounts like that are referring each other, it looks fishy.

    #46 56 days ago

    Thanks everyone for the group messages and encouragement ...

    It’s a lesson well learned but ain’t over I have many many connections and was already offered one of the guys to pay a visit lol

    I have always conducted business as an old cowboy no messing around and will continue to do so . It’s my own fault .. but even my wife heard the guy on the phone etc.

    I have their PayPal addys and phone numbers now . So hopefully PayPal at least locks upntheir accounts and credentials for further activity .

    PayPal addys : fish tales aka Boyd is actually dj out of Georgia . His cell is on his business pages ..

    Claimed his address was : Home Address: 6413 S Wapato; Tacoma, WA 98409

    The other one ; champion pub was sent to hamblem machines which now looking into is out of Indiana not Tacoma as original thought to ..

    Here’s what I have : pics attached

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    #47 56 days ago

    If you're linked to a credit card, that's good. You can tell PayPal that the guy befriended you on the website. You had pinball in common and considered him a friend. You treated him like that.....and then found out it was a scam...

    #48 56 days ago

    I have one but this comes direct from the cash vault that’s a bit lighter now ...

    #49 56 days ago
    Quoted from Localspeedshop:

    I have one but this comes direct from the cash vault that’s a bit lighter now ...

    Look up who owns the home at that address. Call the cops in Tacoma and have them pay a visit.

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