I do agree that theme matters, but JJP games are in a different league that most Sterns....everyone has their own opinions on theming...personally my grail game is IJ due to the theme and game play .... GNR could be awesome if its in the same league as POTC ....be nice to have a high quality music pin

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3393976983954207&id=188992294452708

From jjp Facebook

Are JJP going up against Turtles?!

Interesting teaser video.

At least they put something out....wish it had a little more information....

It is a shame coz games as TWD, MET or JP are way better than each JJP. (I do not have played yet POTC and WW)
However I hope GNR will join my line-up, as I have no hate against JJP and their pins. it will depends on the playfield design, the gameplay, code...like for any other game.
Stern is loading more their games now, i remember LE didn’t have (or lost for a while) shaker, anti reflect glass, pinblades, powder coat armor.
I wish the best for all manufacturer, the more I get choice the better it is.

Now that's a very informational teaser.... No clue, no set date of announcement, I'm still hungry !

A way to say to pinheads to not place order too quickly for the Stern game and save their money for their great new game to come very soon

My guess is their innovation comes in the form of wireless updates .... I mean what else is so innovative? I will say this feature is really nice to have as upgrading some of these games can be a pain...really better for both parties

Agreed!

They have this stuff because of JJP!Remember the stripped down shit before they had competition?

If the innovation is wireless updates it would be a huge letdown. I’m expecting more.

This is my point. The more competition there is the more we have chance to get better games, more loaded.

Would love to know why I should save my money. A code update announcement won't do that.

Like a spinning disc with magnet on TMNT.....and X-men 8 years ago?

It’s got to be related to network gameplay and ranking lists. All the trends are there- peloton, ps4 etc.

ok it was sarcam.

i guess a great innovation would have been a triple spinning disc rotating in opposite ways and a magnet in the center. would have been cool!

I would hope that they mean game play innovation, not something related to pinball maintenance. And it might be a salespoint for operators, but what end users see is a playfield, some toys and some animations.

I am slightly worried since Wonka though, I thought it was a less ambitious / cost no object game than their previous pins.

My guess is they will continue down the Wonka path....I think the days of loaded games like POTC are over for JJP ....

Eric said in the Buffalo podcast that the video mentioning innovations is not referring to the coming wifi updates.

wifi only?? and will it also work with e-net?
plug in an keyboard so it's easy to put the password in?

Yes, you will be able to use an ethernet cable as an alternative. No password needed for the ethernet. WIFI, you configure once and it stores the connection info. It is a nice easy user interface. No keyboard is needed.

the ui can be the best one but punching in an complex password without an keyboard and just arrow keys + enter is a pain

Is it really that much of a pain? maybe takes 2 minutes ... seems more a pain to connect a key board

Online player profiles with stats tracking, online tournaments, and leaderboards would be awesome to see. GoldenTee has had this for a few years and it would be great to see the concept applied to pinball.

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I am testing it on all 5 JJP pins and have had to test re-entering it on all of them ... a few times. I know that it might seem like it would be daunting, but it really isn't much more effort than putting in a 11 character high score name. My password is excessively long. For normal use owners, you would set it and forget it. It remembers it after updates also. That might not always be retained, but if you back up and restore your settings all of that will be restored.

A "full" update using ethernet took a total of less than 10 minutes to download AND install. It is looking good so far.

Nice, that's good to hear. The thought of having a network switch dedicated to only JJP pins actually sounds kinda cool haha. I'll likely get a single USB Wifi dongle and then move that around from machine to machine. That should be pretty easy to do considering the USB extension cable can be accessed close to the front of the cabinet. If online player profiles, online tournaments, etc is coming I'll get one for each pin.

I'm testing it both ways (wifi and ethernet) and can see people liking one method over the other. Wifi is a clean wireless connection that will be great for pins on location, but ethernet is a faster connection that could handle multiple connections better ... should JJP go down the road of real time data or even video transfer. I am not saying they will do that in the future as they are keeping their plans to themselves ... as is probably best.

Full updates don't use images any more? and OS UPDATES????

They might still be iso's for the full updates. I think that one of our updates had a OS update. I don't think a file name was listed. I will have to look for that next time. Delta updates take just a few seconds. They do show version number you have vs. the new version available and opens/ lists the update change log with all of the updates made so that you know what changed or what bugs were fixed that you can scroll through. It's a nice setup. Still beta, so anything can still change.

Update, yes they are still iso downloads. Getting more to test this weekend.

Do they push OS updates outside of game updates?
If ssh in and do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will things stop working?

So far there's generally been no compelling reason to do so outside of new mobo support.

Updating anything on your own is outside of JJP's ability to help you.

Anyone else thinking JJP will surprise a few people with a Blues Brothers pin somewhere down the road?
It makes perfect sense if you think about it, they just moved to Chicago Illinois what could be a more perfect theme for them?
It’s a family friendly musical, right up JJP’s alley, the music’s perfect “Sweet Home Chicago” I mean come on that’s your wizard mode right there!
If they went full license on this the callouts, clips, music would be incredible.
“This pin has got everything” Lol
Is it me or is this a no brainier?

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The more time they wait now potential sales lost.
What are they waiting on?
GnR should have been released drop of hat.
I’m sure coders were still coding....
Skeleton crews would have been in the factory mincing around sorting and prepping.
JJP playing catch up to Sterns turtles here I’m afraid.

very much agree with this. If stern can ship their new game in a couple of weeks, not sure why JJP is waiting. I wonder how many people are sending their money to stern for TMNT that would have sent that money instead to JJP had they been able to announce by now.

If its really GNR next then all they needed to do was fade out the first 2 seconds of paradise city at the end of the very bland uninformative teaser trailer and people would hold back TMNT money from stern until its reveal. Instead we got.....ummm, innovation, possibly?! I get their need to throw their hat in the ring at this point but I think they missed...

JJP's sales/marketing team needs a lot of help..... even much smaller companies like Spooky do a much better job....we're all seeing before our eyes why they are in financial trouble....they should have released the game, and taken pre orders....its not like its a big secret what game it is. People are fine waiting 3-6 months for a game if they have to

Are people really fine waiting that long?Optimally wait time of 2 to 4 weeks,and they will still get slammed here for not being quicker.I like that their innovative but they should show now!I’m kind of hoping there is some kind of interactive visual tricks up their sleeve

Everyone who ordered MMR LE's waited 2 years so yea if u want a game you'll wait as u don't have a bunch of cash out there....the point is they could be taking pre orders on the game....how long are people waiting for the Rick and Morty game?....some I suspect will wait months...this old school thinking of lets unveil a game at an expo is stupid....JJP needs to get with the times.

Oh I agree they need to do a better job with hyping their games.
Wasn’t this Ken Cromwells job to improve this area?

Jaws would be amazing instant buy for me if it had full assets.
Maybe it’s just us 80’s kids, Beetlejuice, Goonies, Big Trouble in Little China, Little Shop of Horrors another family friendly musical.
Like yourself I’ve got no interest in owning WOZ, DI, WONKA or TOY STORY but man if JJP picks up some 80s licenses it’s gonna cost us an arm and a leg!

I love Wonka and just got DI. I would buy Toy Story in a heartbeat and I think that one would be a massive seller. I would also be super psyched about a Bettlejuice, The Goonies or Little Shop of Horrors. I just wonder how those would sell.

Blues Brothers 2000 would of been a lot better if John Belushi was still alive.

Any guesses on how much GNR is gonna run, and if they are going to release a “lesser” version like Wonka?

Why? He wasn’t in it.

My $$ is on toy story as GnR tour has been postponed.By the way did anyone see Slash’s WOZEC is up for sale if you want to pay 22k for it lmao!!

Ooohhh price drop !!

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Is he selling it or did someone buy it from him and selling it. If its his then fuck how much money does he need he should give it away to a cancer ward or something for fucks sake.
Anyway myself and a few people in Australia have put names down for GNR and was told it is in hot demand here and we pay overs. Not as much interest in TMNT i think Dwight and Munsters hurt that sale.