Yup...I confused myself and Rdoyle’s post. That potentially lends more credence to the fact that nothing was on the line, likely prepping for the move. Nothing to see here then....move along.

I think GNR will be delayed til Fall.

After they got us used to paying the higher price points for standard body with Wonka, I don’t see why they would go back. It would cost them more and they know we are already maxed out on what we want to pay, so raising the price to go back to wide body would not be a wise business decision.

Although I must admit, I would have paid more for a Wonka that was done up right like POTC....

I finally know the answer to this thread...

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It is - I was responding to the lack of parts, you said you needed a POTC lockbar. But I think LTG is right - probdvly not much on the line.

You don't know Jack.

I actually do. He’s a nice guy.

Sooooo... when are they announcing their next game? Bueller? Jack?

Recent podcast hinted at when it's ready to ship.

He goes into detail about the move to Chicago, and plans for the future.

So with the move, and virus, I would imagine it will be awhile to get rolling again.

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LTG : )

We're ready for it!

Kaneda claims October. I’m guessing no new releases from any of the manufacturers until the social/work bans are lifted. No way to build them or ship them.

Jack also eluded that he was happy to have a larger factory, making it possible to rerun previous games that there is a lot of demand for. We all know Pirates is the only game with pent up demand..... I mean they can't seem to give the last few Woz YBR's away and they've had DI in stock forever and even Hobbit. Wonka is still being produced with plenty of stock so what does that leave? Do the math......

Now I am not a fan of that idea, because I already own POTCLE and if I wanted a fresher one, without playfield issues and other quirks, I'd have to take a bath selling the "inferior" one that no one would want anymore and also pay a premium for the new one. Makes me want to sell while the value is high and just hope and pray that a new run is coming and that I don't get burnt. It's a coin flip situation really, but most likely i'll just keep mine.

Man! I'm never going to get a Toy Story, am I?

Yeah will see what happens. I've kept saying that I think JJP won't make any more Pirates but it may be a big help financially for JJP to run it again after the factory move plus having to be closed for a few months due to our current situation. However, running Pirates may steal sales away from GNR.

True, they definitely won't do it until after the novelty of GnR runs its course for a few months. But it sounds like they might at some point. It may be expensive to produce, but they have already invested the money in the design and license which is the hard part. They already know they can sell a new edition for 11.5k all day long. I'll be watching closely. I'm betting that a new run comes out early 2021 in between GnR and the next title. Then I will be mad if it's better or happy that I can finally get parts!

That was looong, but a good interview with Jack. Some interesting content.

Well I could have posted the time Jack's interview starts and the time of the slip.

But that would be cheating.

LTG : )

Was it a slip (what I think you're referring to) ? I think he was just messing around with them.

As an owner as well, you know if there is a rerun it's going to be a YBR edition style cost of 11.5. No question. Then you run the risk of them stripping down the game. If YBR didn't come out I would say no way in hell that's possible but Jack has already reissued an older game at a much higher price, stripped out features and didn't blink an eye.

Pretty risky to sell Pirates and either be completely left out with no rerun OR a rerun that is very expensive and not as loaded. If I were to sell mine, it def wouldn't be b/c of a potential rerun.

It would be a bummer having to wait until October.

JJP games are a level above other pinballs. JJPOTC is a masterpiece and worth the extra premium to buy one. If you enjoy the pirates life you’ll love this game.

Hobbit is fantastic pinball too, in so many ways. Just finished a 5.3B point game (killed Smaug and almost won the 3rd mini-wizard mode). Battled for 40 minutes and got my work out. Others prefer Dialed-In!, Wonka or WOZ. If you don’t currently own a JJP game and are considering your next game, consider getting a HUO JJP.

It won’t directly benefit JJP but you might find it to be a fulfilling experience.

I’d be a buyer on a rerun of POTC.

No reason for them to strip it down. All the hard engineering work is already done - models/molds created - code is complete. Take my money.

Man is it dead in here

Almost like a pandemic hit or something!

Stern is about to announce tmnt. Things are in motion.

Where is that jjp hype? Let's go Jack!

Man, TMNT. I just am not looking forward to that one.

Based on what I’m hearing it’s going to be August before GNR is shown. It’s a good reliable source I got this info from. Sorry guys. This thread should be dormant for 3 months.

Uuugh - not interested in GNR at all.

Hopefully whatever they release is fun and fast and has something new we’ve never seen! Since I started this hobby I have bitched about many themes in the beginning/release phase that I end up liking because the game play is so good.
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I Don’t like any of those themes, but they play so good. Usually comes down to the code for me and that’s why I usually go with Lyman!

Terrible....I guess some people love TMNT ?

Neither am I, but the design and code should be absolutely baller. I don't have a burning desire for wizard of oz, cell phones or pirates either, but those games are awesome.

The DE version is a nice layout. I am interested in seeing how JJP does it. I think an upper playfield resembling a stage would be cool. Maybe rising up like Doctor Who ?

Do you know something interesting about it? Who has designed? Who’s on the the code? Standard or wide body?
Can someone tell me how many time the game is usually coming into production after revealing?

Give me a rotating ball lock, shaped like a 6-gun cylinder, half-sunken in the playfield.

Eric M who made POTC, should be great

Eric is the designer not the coder.

JJP needs to give The Matrix some serious consideration

JJP should pack it in with a market dominated by negativity and group think perpetuated by this site. I’m sure they have customer service issues... but look what they are trying to do. Generate MAYBE $15 to $20m in revenue per game offset against sizeable COGS, engineering, and SG&A. We should be thanking them for the effort, and consider it an altruistic duty to solve as many problems as we can vs crucifying and vilifying them.

Are they ultimately responsible for quality and service? Yes. Could they make better decisions? Maybe. From my vantage, the available market is small and nasty. Not sure why they bother... I feel bad for them and the negative narrative they will likely never escape. Shame on them for being ambitious and trying hard to deliver more.

Why do these companies keep secrets? Think about it. If you know for a fact that JJP is releasing title "X" and you like so many others have a limited budget, you're not likely going to buy a Stern product because you know what's eventually coming to fruition. Now reverse the company names - same scenario no bias here. But why not provide an annual road map? I seriously don't think it would hurt business. The buzz it would create, the ideas the community could provide .... I literally see no downside.

Wait, hold on - let me take this one, pleease !! So I’ve been reading Pinside for a while and I have learned that for many here, the timing, location and style of the announcement and launch are as or more important than the layout, rules and artwork. If it’s not done just right then the launch is considered an absolute disaster which will basically make the game a pin non grata for years to come. Me, I’m with you, I don’t get it.

What? What kind of fool actually cares about the launch as much or more so than the layout and rules, artwork. Sorry but ur way off here sir. As for the secrets, for the last 5 years or so its been pretty clear what titles are coming up regardless of the official announcement. I'm only interested in the DeadFlip vids so i can see game play, until then it doesn't matter what gets announced.

Kaneda doesn't know anything other than the fact he loves to hear himself talk. He knows 110% nothing! No one at JJP would talk to him if his life depended on it. Who really thinks JJP would leak some info to the single most hated person in pinball, the guy who bashes them non-stop, and was removed from their facebook fan group. Seriously!

I'll tell you what I think using some common sense, JJP will announce this game in late June with production starting in July. If we use some logic here GNR has been done for probably 4 to 5 months now. Eric has probably already started his next game. Wonka has been done for well north of a year, so you know Pat's next game Toy Story is probably being coded by now. My prediction stands, GNR was to release at Texas with Toy Story at Expo. Now I think it will be GNR in late June, and Toy Story in October.

JJP would be fools not to release Toy Story for the Christmas season, the biggest family friendly franchise in movie history c'mon. Toy Story is releasing October shipping in November. GNR will 110% be this summer, this gives enough space between the two.

Warner is not licensing anything Matrix right now or at least it wasn't because of the new movie. They might have showed up for Matrix at the license expo in Vegas but that was cancelled. Prior to expo you could call Warner and they would tell you holding on Matrix for now. Once that dept had more creative info about the new film is when you'll finally hear about them doing deals for that franchise.

Considering all major movies are pushed back 6 to 12 months you might now hear a word on that front. But I'll bet you'll see a Matrix Pinball sometime around next years Texas Pinball Festival. Matrix 4 releases around the same time.

Obviously I’m exaggerating a bit here, and I’m not expressing my own opinion. I’m just observing what is being posted and commenting on it. I do not know how much influence Pinside has on the manufacturers, but I assume they will know what is being posted here and adjust their announcement and launch strategies accordingly. DI was criticized strongly because of the long delay between announcement and launch (the word disaster was frequently used for the launch and this delay was as far as I can tell one of the criticisms). The delay was shortened for later games. Of course Pirates had its own situation for being skewered.

I thought it was kind of cool that JJP was involving us in the development process with DI and Pirates, but a lot of folks in Pinside saw that differently.

Common sense would dictate they need a factory up and running for production to start in July. With a move from NJ to IL, COVID, state lock-downs, etc. I think that would be difficult.

Common sense would dictate that sales of a toy with a starting price north of $9K will not benefit from the Christmas season. Hell, some dedicated pinheads won't buy JJP because of their price premium.

I'm a JJP fanboy and Day 1 Toy Story buyer, but I think your prognostications are ambitious. But I hope you're right!

I thought it was INCREDIBLE that JJP adjusted the playfield art on Hobbit after showing early versions and receiving 'feedback' on it. But many on pinside can't handle the idea of prototypes and change without completely freaking out.

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They involved pinside when they saw people were hating on it. Its not like Stern, JJP knows they need pinside support. Very few none enthusiast are paying that kind of money for a pinball machine but a Stern pro? Ok. I just wish the themes were better. I mean I just watched the Wrath Of Khan for the who knows how many times now and its a pin just waiting to be made. The screen taunting back and forth with Kirk and Khan, seems custom designed for a LCD on a pin. great Story, music etc. What do I get. GnR, TMNT, Stranger Things. Hot Wheels. Its sad. JJP StarTrek The Wrath of Khan, sounds good to me and I can finally buy a pin from Jack.

You'd think JJP would have it together after all these years. Whoever said pinball was easy?

Lots of pinsiders won't buy NIB and JJP doesn't sell stripped pro models.

From my perspective, it seems like Stern premium and LE pricing is very similar to JJP std/LE pricing.
And while I've got all 5 JJP games (fanboy!), I struggle to justify Stern value/pricing and haven't been able to pull the trigger on one.

Well said.