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When NOT to buy a Metallica?


By Yoko2una

3 years ago



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#1 3 years ago

Preface: I'd like to keep to keep this thread pretty simple and not a Stern-bashing thread so please read below before posting. Also, quickly posting "never" as a response to the title may be funny to you but moves this advice thread nowhere.

A little birdie suggested I hold off on buying MET Pro right now because I could probably expect to see some come up when the next major Stern title is announced (Elvira III, Star Wars...etc.), just like how I bought 2 pins during the GB launch.

We aren't taking MET off the table quite yet, but maybe the birdie was right. Maybe we should get a nice used Stern to pass the time until we want to make a move on a HUO Met. But in order to get our minds off of Sparky, it really would need to be a deal that would be too good to pass up. Also "QC Issues", "Stern likes money, hates customers"... I know, I know. Don't need that in this thread. This is why we are considering a used game.

So... at what prices would you consider the following titles in very good - excellent condition "steals" (the price point where it's a no-brainer, forget MET Pro, must grab it purchase)?

TSPP
IM
IMVE
Mustang Pro
SM
TWD
RBION

We like all of the games above. I know you don't like Mustang Pro. I do. Go watch the Pinball with the Pros video with Steve Bowden and play it a few times.

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#2 3 years ago

Your "little birdy" is an idiot. Metallica has been holding it's value without exception for 4 years now and and that's WITH it being in constant production. Top title, top game, don't expect some kind of panic selloff and accordant price drops just because Stern is putting out a new Hall and Oates pin.

None of the games on your list are "steals" or currently undervalued. Even underwhelming Trudeau efforts like Mustang can't be found at reasonable prices. So forget about "value" and just buy what you want, you won't be getting over on any of those games.

#3 3 years ago

I expect once stern production stops that Metallica will join the ranks of Tron, and Lord of the rings for holding value.

#4 3 years ago

Buy it now and enjoy the game

The couple of hundred dollars you might save will soon be forgotten

#5 3 years ago

buddy of mine picked up a MET Pro(no led's completely stock) with under 200 plays in perfect condition for $3000 2 months ago so i wouldnt give up on finding a good deal on a MET Pro if thats the title you want.

#6 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Your "little birdy" is an idiot.

Really? Really??? Do you refresh the main page every 5 seconds waiting for new threads to appear so you can jump in and make some snarky remark? For every good post you have in one thread, you make 5 dickish posts in other threads. Get out and go for a f'ing walk or something once in a while. Being a 24-7 prick can't be good for your health. I won't be responding to any of your other posts.

Quoted from mainelycoasters:

I expect once stern production stops that Metallica will join the ranks of Tron, and Lord of the rings for holding value.

Completely agree 100%. But they're still producing it, yet none are coming up for sale on the secondary market. I do think if a major title comes up, we will see Met's come up for sale. Space/money/desire will force some to have to part ways with MET to get a new flashy SW pin. It happened with GB, and I got 2 great used games during that, and I was able to negotiate on both. There's no negotiating on MET right now because used supply is low, and there's nothing like a new flashy SW pin that others are dying to have. That's why I created this thread to see what could be a potential "stopgap" solution... not to have one of my friends (and highly regarded Pinsider) be called an idiot.

#7 3 years ago

Yeah none of the titles listed are likely going to fall in value any time soon. Stern Pro's and games under $5K are all safe bets to hold their value. You can pretty much bet if a Met Pro HUO gets listed at $4400 or less it will sell very quickly.

Where I think you can find deals in the future is in the high end market ($7-10K games). I think games like Hobbit, BM66, WWELE, GOTLE/Prem, MMR, Mustang LE, etc. may all be cheaper 6 months from now than what they are currently selling for because of new and expensive games hitting the market.

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#8 3 years ago
Quoted from Phbooms:

buddy of mine picked up a MET Pro with under 200 plays in perfect condition for $3000 2 months ago so i wouldnt give up on MET if thats the title you want.

Referencing a one-in-a-million steal helps nobody.

#9 3 years ago

I agree that if you want one just buy new today. I was in the market for a Met and after searching for a good HUO example, realized they sell for maybe only a couple hundred less than NIB. I don't think the value is going to drop any time soon so you would be hunting for a while to find a good example to not save much money. I'd get a NIB delivered to your door.

#10 3 years ago

I bought HUO refinery pro 6 weeks ago or so for $5200. Obviously heavily loaded with mods for basically nib price for a pro and I have zero playfield issues. To me that purchase was a no brainer and a great pin for the money. I say just buy now and enjoy.

#11 3 years ago

There is no reason to not buy MET

#12 3 years ago

Met Pro is awesome and add a color dmd and it stacks up well against any stern or BW. Buy one now and if you want a Star Wars when it comes out sell it because it will be months before you see that title available.

#13 3 years ago
Quoted from NorCalRealtor:

Referencing a one-in-a-million steal helps nobody.

sorry wasnt trying to be a dick just was saying there is deals out there on HUO MET pros since OP seemed to think there wasnt. My buddy did basicly "steal" it at that price.

#14 3 years ago

Wait..... There is gonna be a hall 'n oats pin?

My met premium was my first splurge for a NIB. I sold two pins I never thought would leave. I have no regrets. It's a great game and bolted to the floor.

#15 3 years ago
Quoted from MikeS:

Yeah none of the titles listed are likely going to fall in value any time soon. Stern Pro's and games under $5K are all safe bets to hold their value. You can pretty much bet if a Met Pro HUO gets listed at $4400 or less it will sell very quickly.
Where I think you can find deals in the future is in the high end market ($7-10K games). I think games like Hobbit, BM66, WWELE, GOTLE/Prem, MMR, Mustang LE, etc. may all be cheaper 6 months from now than what they are currently selling for because of new and expensive games hitting the market.

Agreed on the whole. Mustang has been tanking a bit (search "Why no love for Mustang" thread). That guy had his for sale forever. Locally there was a routed MET Pro that went for $3800 and sold in minutes, well before I even checked my email (they also had ST Pro for $3800 and Mustang for $3500... both sold as well). I think Mustang at $3500 is enough to make me think twice, $3200 is probably that "no brainer" I alluded to earlier. I also like WWELE but need that at Xmen-LE/TFLE prices (~$5K) to enter consideration and we're just not there yet.

Quoted from VolunteerPin:

I bought HUO refinery pro 6 weeks ago or so for $5200. Obviously heavily loaded with mods for basically nib price for a pro and I have zero playfield issues. To me that purchase was a no brainer and a great pin for the money. I say just buy now and enjoy.

Would've done the same thing in a heartbeat.

Quoted from Beebl:

Met Pro is awesome and add a color dmd and it stacks up well against any stern or BW. Buy one now and if you want a Star Wars when it comes out sell it because it will be months before you see that title available.

Just the opposite. I probably won't want a SW pin at all. But I'd be willing to bet there are a bunch of Met owners with small collections that would need to free up space/cash if/when a new SW pin launched, just like people did when GB launched.

#16 3 years ago

There is a reason you don't see many for sale. It's not a game that is usually on the copping block when owners need to sell off something. Met is just an awesome game. I was on the fence about buying my LOTR 2 years ago. the more I hunted the more prices went up. I found a nice HOU that was in driving distance and bought it. Since then prices went up by a grand. Same with my MET Pro. After a year of hunting I picked one up for a good price (only because of the mods). I could have bought a NIB for a few hundred more.
One thing I noticed is each time a run would get close to its end, prices would go up in anticipation of it being the last run. Stern would announce an additional run and prices would level off. One thing I can say is when they do finally pull the plug on MET it is only going to go up in price. Sure you might have a few people selling their MET to buy the next latest and greatest thing but they won't be cheap.

#18 3 years ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

Just the opposite. I probably won't want a SW pin at all. But I'd be willing to bet there are a bunch of Met owners with small collections that would need to free up space/cash if/when a new SW pin launched, just like people did when GB launched.

I respectfully disagree with this, because MET is incredibly popular. If someone has a small collection, I would tend to think MET isn't going to be the pin that gets moved out for something new.

#19 3 years ago
Quoted from Skeets:

I respectfully disagree with this, because MET is incredibly popular. If someone has a small collection, I would tend to think MET isn't going to be the pin that gets moved out for something new.

Totally possible. For someone like me, I only have room for 3 pins, so if I'm bringing in a dream theme, something has to go. If in turn I also realized that 1 of my 3 pins could also pay for 90% the next pin I was buying, I'd certainly consider moving it if money was tight and again I was getting a dream theme in return. Lots of things come up FS when popular titles are launched.

#20 3 years ago
Quoted from Phbooms:

sorry wasnt trying to be a dick just was saying there is deals out there on HUO MET pros since OP seemed to think there wasnt. My buddy did basicly "steal" it at that price.

No worries. You weren't being a dick, just unhelpful. I do not encourage the OP to wait based on one very isolated and unusually cheap example. Those deals are not out there. Signs point to Met continuing to hold it's value and possibly even increasing in value once it goes out of production, which might occur before Star Wars drops. I'd give it maybe a month or two for a good deal to pop up locally and then throw in the towel and buy NIB.

#21 3 years ago

This thread doesn't really have that much to do with Metallica, as much as the OP just wants to know how to get the best deal. The simple answer is whatever the going price for a particular title is, if you can buy it for 80% or less than the value -> that's a great deal.

Example: HUO TSPP - currently about 5K - 4K or less is a great deal

Any time a great brand new title comes out, there's a chance the market will have an increase in supply of *any* title. More supply means the OP might find a deal on Metallica - but maybe not too.

#22 3 years ago

Interesting how the majority of people so far are saying just buy a NIB Met Pro. That's basically still Plan A, but I wondered if there would be an better way to outlast these PF QC issues and maybe even score one for less down the road.

I will admit that when talking to my 8yr old last night about our next pin, he said "what about those zombie ones?" at which point I told him we wouldn't be buying TWD, but he corrected me and said "no, the zombie one with 4 music zombies in the picture and the guy with the big tongue in the middle you shock".

One year ago we were out looking at a pin up in VT and the owner also had a Met Pro LED with Color DMD and external sub. We didn't even play it, we just watched the owner play it. A year later and my son has had that in the back of his mind as a pin he wants. F'ing awesome.

#23 3 years ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

Interesting how the majority of people so far are saying just buy a NIB Met Pro. That's basically still Plan A, but I wondered if there would be an better way to outlast these PF QC issues and maybe even score one for less down the road.

Buy a HUO one. That would kill those two birds with one stone. You have your choice between the original one with incandescent lamps or the newer one with LEDs (remember those had the revised backbox and decals that started to peel). You don't have to gamble with a NIB game if you're concerned with issues.

#24 3 years ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

Interesting how the majority of people so far are saying just buy a NIB Met Pro. That's basically still Plan A, but I wondered if there would be an better way to outlast these PF QC issues and maybe even score one for less down the road.
I will admit that when talking to my 8yr old last night about our next pin, he said "what about those zombie ones?" at which point I told him we wouldn't be buying TWD, but he corrected me and said "no, the zombie one with 4 music zombies in the picture and the guy with the big tongue in the middle you shock".
One year ago we were out looking at a pin up in VT and the owner also had a Met Pro LED with Color DMD and external sub. We didn't even play it, we just watched the owner play it. A year later and my son has had that in the back of his mind as a pin he wants. F'ing awesome.

You should buy it NIB then sell it to me for 80% your cost when whatever your must have theme pin is released.

#25 3 years ago
Quoted from schudel5:

Buy a HUO one. That would kill those two birds with one stone. You have your choice between the original one with incandescent lamps or the newer one with LEDs (remember those had the revised backbox and decals that started to peel). You don't have to gamble with a NIB game if you're concerned with issues.

Apparently each Met Pro is being shipped with 4 giant anchor bolts because no one is letting it leave their house

#26 3 years ago

MET is a great game. As Skeets said above, if games need to leave, that probably isn't the game people will dump.

Great games remain great games, even when newer games come out. What makes them great is that they are fun to play and have code that can last. Eventually even great games move on because the owner tires of them. It just takes longer.

If you want a MET, go get yourself a MET. Don't sit around waiting and miss out on all the fun.

#27 3 years ago
Quoted from Monk:

You should buy it NIB then sell it to me for 80% your cost when whatever your must have theme pin is released.

I'm a 34yr old whose first car is seen here (even correct color)...
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... that is attending his 4th Wrestlemania in a few weeks, and Probably has more Kiss and Metallica on my iPhone than all other artists combined. They really can't come out with a "must have" theme for me that they already haven't IMO... maybe unless they release a pin for Christina Aguilera's Dirty music video.

#28 3 years ago

Don't talk about it, Do it!

#29 3 years ago

There is always going to be new pins on the horizon. With new pins there will always be delays, production issues, and unfinished code. Grass does not get much greener than MET when it comes to Stern. Even if the next Steen pin is awesome, it will not be put into production anytime soon and you will not know if code is finished until year later. Plus, any good game will be in production for years. Look at MET, it's still being produced 4 years in.

#31 3 years ago

Unfortunately too far away. Have been watching that thread for like 2-3 weeks. Even shipped, after adding LED's we're talking NIB money already. If that were local, it's a different story. I'd absolutely consider closer ones in that price range, no doubt.

#32 3 years ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

Unfortunately too far away. Have been watching that thread for like 2-3 weeks. Even shipped, after adding LED's we're talking NIB money already. If that were local, it's a different story. I'd absolutely consider closer ones in that price range, no doubt.

I hear ya. When I get some money saved I'd love a MET pro as well.....

#33 3 years ago

Since my first post it's been 45 minutes. I'm off today so just went down to my game room and played a couple games of MET.
How bout you? ?? ????? ?????????? ????????????????????? Think about it.
Not trying to rub it in your face but your really missing out worrying about saving a couple hundy.
Here is your choices.
1) Wait around trying worrying about saving a few buck. While others are playing.
2) try to find a cheaper used game within driving distance to try to save a few bucks.
2a) Find a good priced game but you have to pay for shipping. (You'll probably end up paying more then a NIB)
3) buy a NIB with shipping as part of the purchase price.
4) Buy a different game and end this thread.

Quality issues and upgrade worries.
First run pros: Not a issue but you will spend the money to upgrade to LED with in the first month.
Second run LED PRO: issues with decal peeling. Can happen anytime. Even if the one you buy isn't doing it now.
NIB early runs produced with ghosting issues. later run with chipping clear coat issues. It's a shot in the dark if the you buy has any or not.

#34 3 years ago

Life's too short Get a MetalicA Now !!!

#35 3 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Your "little birdy" is an idiot. Metallica has been holding it's value without exception for 4 years now and and that's WITH it being in constant production. Top title, top game, don't expect some kind of panic selloff and accordant price drops just because Stern is putting out a new Hall and Oates pin.
None of the games on your list are "steals" or currently undervalued. Even underwhelming Trudeau efforts like Mustang can't be found at reasonable prices. So forget about "value" and just buy what you want, you won't be getting over on any of those games.

I never thought that I would ever up vote one of your posts, but you finally said something that makes sense so im going to.

#36 3 years ago

NIB or HUO, it is pinball, there WILL be issues

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#37 3 years ago

Yes, MET is definitely a "no regrets" kind of pin to buy, whether used or NIB. If you keep pins for a while, buying NIB isn't so bad because you get the play value out of it. I think of dropping $1 for every play, especially in games like GB, and having one at home to enjoy makes sense. Of course, my pins all have high # of plays since I have been hosting monthly tournaments for the past 4 years (constant maintenance and nobody can tell my Tron has thousands of plays on it).
Best advice I can offer is that if you want the game, and are comfortable with the price, just get it and enjoy....

#38 3 years ago

Met is a solid game, maybe find a used one? It should hold its value well so you shouldnt lose much. Then you have something to play rather than waiting for sw/ev3 to come out. Then when you can phisically pick one of those up consider if its worth selling met to buy it.

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