Looks like at some point, the flippers were rebuilt with mechs for the wrong machine. System 11 flippers are different from WPC flippers, etc. If at some they were rebuilt with the wrong parts, you would see this. Get the correct kit fromPinball Life, and rebuild them.

Yeah, you are going to need to check the plungers, links, and stops to see what you have in there. Something isn't right. Also check that the front plunger stops are perpendicular and not mis-adjusted and giving you less travel. Finally, your left lane guide is cocked up and too high, making a big drop down to the flipper.

C you look at the metal guide that leads to your left flipper, it is higher than the same area on the right side.

Ideally you want a smooth transition from lane guide to flipper. Both appear to be off to me, but it could be the angle of your picture. Take a straight edge ruler and lay on the guide. Your guide to flipper rubber should be in a straight line.

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+1,It does look off.try what robert suggested,If that doesn't get it then it would be the plunger or the coil stops.You can take the coil stops out of your TZ and try it if you dont want to wait for new ones.

Try adjusting the flipper bat first,You can adjust it up and down.You have clay's guides and there is info on adjusting flippers there.

Loosen the screws on top of the lane guides and lower them. Easy adjustment.

WPC and Sys 11 plungers are the same length. WPC stops are thicker, which give you less travel than Sys 11, but not to the extent you are seeing on your game.

Post some pics of your flipper assemblies. Maybe we'll be able to see something.

Definitely post us some-under playfield photos-hopefully/probably this can be sorted out in short order.

yep for sure

Ok,I did a little research and found that this problem Dennis is having could be the coil stops themselves.The new coil stops that some suppliers sell are different than the original ones,with the new coil stops the flipper bat will have less travel.

The coil stop that should be used in WPC games is #A-12111 Pinballife has them http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=273&parent=0

The new ones that are being sold in the kits are #A-12390 coil stop.

Those coil stops look correct to me. I think your problem, like others have suggested, is the flippers need to be adjusted to be in line with the lane guides that feed the flippers. Just loosen the bolt that clamps the flipper shaft, and adjust them up a bit.

*edit* I just read Mike's last post and maybe the coil stop could be bad, but it's hard to know without putting a caliper or measuring device on it for me to be sure. I'll measure one of mine so you can compare.

First, your coils are installed backwards. The lugs should be the other way around. That won't affect the flipper travel, but it will help the soldered connections take less of a pounding.

That looks like a WPC-95 coil stop as Mike mentioned. You should have a System 11-WPC stop installed (A-12111). If you look at the shiny wear on the plunger, you can see that it isn't going all the way into the coil. The plunger should go all the way in to where the link is flush with the front coil bracket.

Here are a couple pics of the WPC-95 stop next to the Sys11-WPC stop. You can see that the WPC-95 stop is taller, which will give you less travel.

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BTW, if you want to file down the stops, I measure the Sys 11-WPC at about 7.35 mm from the base to the top of the stop. WPC-95 are about 8.35mm, so there is about 1 mm difference between the two

I would think it's the wrong plunger/link assembly and you need the correct shorter one

And on the PoA it looks like the left tab was bent all the way inward so the ball can't bypass the PoA anymore. Am I seeing that correctly? It needs to be bent out over the Poa and the right one as well so the ball funnels and drops just above the lane guide. Here's one for reference.

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OK Dennis, before you go grinding anymore metal off your plungers and coil stops, i think you should try this:

In your first pictures I can't even see the pin holes in the playfield below the flippers. These are used to get a quick flipper alignment using a toothpick with the rubber off the flipper. You need to loosen the flipper bat shaft from the clamp underneath the playfield, and adjust your flippers up a bit. It should fit like this when you're done.

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The brackets you have aren't notched, so you won't be able to turn the coils around. So don't worry about it. Not a huge deal.

The plungers and links aren't the problem. As shock_me suggested, align the flippers and check. Then keep working on the stops until they are the right thickness. If need be, remove a stop from your Addams Family and use it as a guide. That is assuming the stops in your Addams Family aren't mushroomed and smashed down.

Thats what the hols are for? i was just lining them up by eye, what a noob.

That's what the holes are for, but I've found that it's much better to use a straight edge. The holes don't really account for varied rubber thickness on your bats or where your lane guides are.

My money is on the coil stops

Agree completely. That's why I mentioned it is a "quick" guide to get them close with the rubbers off. I do show the flipper aligned with the lane guide in my last pic though. It's my preferred method

Mike, I also agree with you there as well. Those stops look like the wrong part. His flips are sitting a tad low though don't ya think?

Me too.

Exactly.

Yes they are but as you can see in the pics from Stangbat there is a big difference in those stops.You can adjust the flipper bats all you want but the plunger travel will always be cut a little short,If you look at the OP's second pic all the way up top that's the extra travel he is missing to cradle a ball.

Oh yeah, no dispute there.

I doubt that....It looks more like wear from classic flipper drag due to a worn bushing. It will feel smooth to the touch as the flipper wearing will be like fine sandpaper. Move your flipper to the upmost flip position and you'll see the tip of the flipper is right over that wear spot. When the bushings wear, the tip of the flipper droops and the rubber drags the PF wearing that spot.

Nah, not arguing...Just trying to educate. You might want to check the plastic bushings to make sure they aren't worn. These are the plastic pieces where the flipper stem comes up through the playfield.

I have not yet this entire thread, but this is a great link that explains (with lots of pictures) the parts differences between the various flipper generations:
http://www.pinballnews.com/learn/flippers/index.html

A must-read if you ask me. Good luck solving your issues.

That's what I said. A couple of days ago. It is why you can't turn your coils around the right way. You got a lot of info thrown at you pretty quickly. A guide like that helps sort it all out.

The brackets are not a normal part that needs to be replaced. I don't think they are an issue because if the distance from the screws to the support was wrong, the coil wouldn't physically fit between the bracket and the stop.

In the past when I've had the wrong coil brakcet, I've notched it with my Dremel using a cutting wheel so that the coil fill fit in the right orientation.