White Water
Williams, 1993Btw it's way more expensive to go to a laundromat then do your own laundry. Average person spends 30-50$ at a time depending if they are doing by the LB where we do it for them and fold or hang it etc or if they are doing it themselves. Also, I haven't got many whitewaters in in the past few years for whatever reason that's why I was asking about this one. Oh and the scared stiff has pictures in another thread.
Quoted from Whysnow:Sure he can. Lots of stupid people that overpay every day.
I myself have spent way too much time and money on many games which I have bought in similar condition and then brought back to life with tons fo parts and hard work.
He asked what it was worth.
It is worth about 2800-3200 at tops, but he will surely find someone dumb enough to buy the flip for 3500-3800, esp after a half ass clean up job to make it appear more presentable.
If WhySnow can show me another one in this condition for $2900 I will eat my hat. This is a very popular game and it seems to only be getting hotter.
Quoted from ElectricCircuit:Btw it's way more expensive to go to a laundromat then do your own laundry. Average person spends 30-50$ at a time depending if they are doing by the LB where we do it for them and fold or hang it etc or if they are doing it themselves. Also, I haven't got many whitewaters in in the past few years for whatever reason that's why I was asking about this one. Oh and the Scared Stiff has pictures in another thread.
wtf? When I was in college (not long ago) it would cost me like $4...
Quoted from Elicash:If WhySnow can show me another one in this condition for $2900 I will eat my hat. This is a very popular game and it seems to only be getting hotter.
gotta love that it is the 1 game in your collection, 
Would you say a TZ in similar condition to this (actually better) is worth more or less than WH2O?
If I show you a $2800 TZ in better condition that I picked up this week, will you eat your hat?
I am 100% positive I can find a WH2O in this condition for sub 3k, i just don't really care for the game much so no desire to look for it currently.
Quoted from Msch:And yes, Detroit is a shit hole still. But what you morons neglect to know is that there are many, many cities that surround detroit that have higher incomes than most cities in the nation. Did you know that grosse pointe borders the ghetto? It's one of the richest cities in the nation. I live in metro detroit and make more money than you, most likely.
I was in Detroit and some of the cities that surround Detroit (Troy and Northville) a couple of weeks ago and I can confirm that Detroit is still a shit hole as is the surrounding cities!
Quoted from Whysnow:gotta love that it is the 1 game in your collection,
Would you say a TZ in similar condition to this (actually better) is worth more or less than WH2O?
If I show you a $2800 TZ in better condition that I picked up this week, will you eat your hat?
I am 100% positive I can find a WH2O in this condition for sub 3k, i just don't really care for the game much so no desire to look for it currently.
Please PM me when you do. I am serious....
Quoted from jrivelli:wtf? When I was in college (not long ago) it would cost me like $4...
It's like 4.00 to wash and 6.00 to dry here at any laundry mat. 1.75 a Lb to have your laundry done for you.
Quoted from ElectricCircuit:It's like 4.00 to wash and 6.00 to dry here at any laundry mat. 1.75 a Lb to have your laundry done for you.
What?!? $10 to do a load of laundry?!
Either you are mistaken, or the person in charge of pricing at your laundromat was also contracted to price WNBJM for Stern.
Quoted from Whysnow:Sure he can. Lots of stupid people that overpay every day.
I myself have spent way too much time and money on many games which I have bought in similar condition and then brought back to life with tons fo parts and hard work.
He asked what it was worth.
It is worth about 2800-3200 at tops, but he will surely find someone dumb enough to buy the flip for 3500-3800, esp after a half ass clean up job to make it appear more presentable.
The problem with what you're saying is that "stupid people" affect the market value of things on the market. I think it's stupid that anyone would pay $15,000 for Big Bang Bar, but that doesn't mean its not worth that much or more on the open market. I fully agree with you that it's frustrating, especially if you're looking for a particular game. Sometimes you get lucky and find a game at a nice price. That happens all the time actually. I know a guy who found a beautiful NM survivor for 2K. Maybe he's really "smart" for finding that or maybe he's "evil" for taking advantage of the seller, but either way, that doesn't mean his game is worth 2K on the open market. I'm just sayin . . .
Quoted from Jam_Burglar:The problem with what you're saying is that "stupid people" affect the market value of things on the market. I think it's stupid that anyone would pay $15,000 for Big Bang Bar, but that doesn't mean its not worth that much or more on the open market. I fully agree with you that it's frustrating, especially if you're looking for a particular game. Sometimes you get lucky and find a game at a nice price. That happens all the time actually. I know a guy who found a beautiful NM survivor for 2K. Maybe he's really "smart" for finding that or maybe he's "evil" for taking advantage of the seller, but either way, that doesn't mean his game is worth 2K on the open market. I'm just sayin . . .
I will try to make it more clear.
I am saying what it is "worth" as that was the flippers original question.
You are trying to argue "what he can sell it for" which is the question he likely should have asked as that is all he wanted to know.
These are actually 2 very different things and once you get more comfortable with that mentality then all of a sudden games start showing up at more reasonable prices 
Is it worth 3800 to you? If so, then put in an offer.
Although based on past history I would advise avoiding some sellers entirely.
To many educated people that see very quickly the things that need to be fixed and have the knowledge of what skill it will take to fix them, this particular pin is worth sub 3k.
i would advise anyone looking for a WH2O is much better off avoiding this example at your proposed higher sale price and instead waiting for a nice example for 4500. You will save your self lots of work and by far get the better value of a deal.
There was a 4500 WH2O on pinside just 2 weeks back with a new pf, new ramps and boulders, and a recent full swap, so that is not a mythical or special price. 4500 is actually the high end for this title and you should have no problem finding a super nice example for that price.
what is it worth?
what can you sell for?
I know I always prefer to pay what it is worth
I actually also prefer to sell for what it is worth as that makes for a better deal for both.
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