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What's the point in arguing with crazy people?

By TwoChaniz

9 years ago


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#51 9 years ago
Quoted from dantebean:

Was sent to me by another Pinsider first kid. If he wants to step up he can. Sorry but I don't accept judgement from a teenager that accepts an IOU online for a thousand dollar game. You're way out of your league on this one. You have no daughters and you are not an adult yet. You can't say a 30 year old man isn't wired wrong for performing indecent acts on a 2 15 year olds. Take a good luck at your buddy. If you had teenagers would you take them into a store with a registered sex offender?
Would also add that I did not publicly post this info, and sent to Paul privately.

Sorry old man, but I'm not a teenager and I didn't accept an IOU. That was something forced on me at the last possible second. Sure, that's not a positive act to have under your belt, but it has nothing to do with the business.

#52 9 years ago
Quoted from pinballsmith:

Sorry old man, but I'm not a teenager and I didn't accept an IOU. That was something forced on me at the last possible second. Sure, that's not a positive act to have under your belt, but it has nothing to do with the business.

Just a note, the only way that deal would have been 'forced upon you' would be with the assistance of a firearm. You were under no obligation to transfer the machine under terms that suddenly changed and that you no longer liked. Don't be afraid to walk from deals that are turning sour, and never transfer possession of a machine to a stranger until you have full cash payment in-hand. A little advice for the future, nothing more...

#53 9 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

Just a note, the only way that deal would have been 'forced upon you' would be with the assistance of a firearm. You were under no obligation to transfer the machine under terms that suddenly changed and that you no longer liked. Don't be afraid to walk from deals that are turning sour, and never transfer possession of a machine to a stranger until you have full cash payment in-hand. A little advice for the future, nothing more...

Yes, I could of prevented it, but it's not easy for someone autistic to take charge when you're faced with two people trying to buy something from you. What dantebean wrote was condescending.

#54 9 years ago

If I watch anymore of these videos, I'm going to be in danger of dying from second-hand wrong.

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#55 9 years ago
Quoted from pinballsmith:

Yes, I could of prevented it, but it's not easy for someone autistic to take charge when you're faced with two people trying to buy something from you. What dantebean wrote was condescending.

I will apologize for being condescending. With that said we have 2 different views on GRC.

You purchased from them a nice machine and was treated well as a customer and an employee.

I have not purchased from them but have seen some pretty creepy and disgusting stuff from their "spokesperson". From telling Pinsiders to "F*off" to trolling here after they are not welcome. From them clearly using women to sell their pins to the pompous way the brag about the business. Then throw this ugly sex offender stuff on top of it.

You can look past my examples because you have good examples 1st hand. I unfortunately cannot over look what has been gathered.

#56 9 years ago

This guy can't have it both ways: he can't be "unaffiliated" with GRC AND the "de facto face" of GRC. He's made himself the public face of the company. I personally will not buy a game from a rapist, and this guy raped two teen girls. So I will not buy anything from GRC.

It was 14 years ago? Who cares, does this guy act reformed or apologetic in any way? Nope, just walking that tightrope, trying as he might to "keep it legal". GRC would do themselves a great service should they distance themselves from this addled mess. Thank you to the Pinsiders who brought this information to light.

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#57 9 years ago
Quoted from MustangPaul:

I know you got us mixed up, that's why I removed the question.
As far as that info goes I bought from GRC about a year and a half ago and had nothing but a positive experience from them. Dantebean took it upon himself to pm me with the information to "educate" me about a matter that happened 14 years ago. I believe people deserve a second chance and I believe the person (who I will not call by name) at GRC has proven to the officials that he has followed and complied with all judgements put forth by them and continues to do so to this day. If he falls off the "wagon" even once then my sentiments will change.

there are people who deserve a second chance...sex offenders/child molestors are not those people

#58 9 years ago

I don't know the names of anyone referenced in this thread to research any wrongdoings. But, if someone is making accusations on a message board that are even slightly inaccurate, legal action cold be taken depending on where the posting was made. This is both from slander as well as liebel point.

Sometimes there are more than one person with the same name.

If anyone wants to really play a internet search hero, maybe look into everyone involved in the pinball biz such as all those who have ever been involved with the big manufacturers. There may be some interesting skeletons in some closets that might make those with young children think twice about attending certain pinball events.

IBTL.

#59 9 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I don't know the names of anyone referenced in this thread to research any wrongdoings. But, if someone is making accusations on a message board that are even slightly inaccurate, legal action cold be taken depending on where the posting was made. This is both from slander as well as liebel point.
Sometimes there are more than one person with the same name.
If anyone wants to really play a internet search hero, maybe look into everyone involved in the pinball biz such as all those who have ever been involved with the big manufacturers. There may be some interesting skeletons in some closets that might make those with young children think twice about attending certain pinball events.
IBTL.

I know your playing devils advocate but the link I got has the picture right next to the name with 2 news articles. No mistaking on this one. Most people do have skeletons in their closet but they play it low, don't bother anyone and mind their manners so it isn't brought up. In this case the guy involved likes to beat his chest, say "we are the best", "you all suck" so he gets called out when he should have probably kept his mouth shut. Have it be him personally saying this or him sending his army to do the trolling on Pinside.

#60 9 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I don't know the names of anyone referenced in this thread to research any wrongdoings. But, if someone is making accusations on a message board that are even slightly inaccurate, legal action cold be taken depending on where the posting was made. This is both from slander as well as liebel point.
Sometimes there are more than one person with the same name.
If anyone wants to really play a internet search hero, maybe look into everyone involved in the pinball biz such as all those who have ever been involved with the big manufacturers. There may be some interesting skeletons in some closets that might make those with young children think twice about attending certain pinball events.
IBTL.

Yeah I see where you're coming from, but the articles detailing the court proceedings have a lot of detail and photos of him are readily available on the registries. There's zero question, and the crimes you see here aren't allegations, he was proven guilty in court.

#61 9 years ago

Is there a way I could find this link on the internet? Or, can you PM it to me? Yes, I am asking someone to do that if they would like. I will not repost or forward it.

Anyway, take my other item to heart about those a lot of us pinsiders look up to who are/were involved in the pinball biz with pin manufacturers. This could even involve issues that someone said those like that do not deserve a second chance.

Everyone may not be as hunky-dory as pinball reference items make them out to be.

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#63 9 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I don't know the names of anyone referenced in this thread to research any wrongdoings. But, if someone is making accusations on a message board that are even slightly inaccurate, legal action cold be taken depending on where the posting was made. This is both from slander as well as liebel point.
Sometimes there are more than one person with the same name.
If anyone wants to really play a internet search hero, maybe look into everyone involved in the pinball biz such as all those who have ever been involved with the big manufacturers. There may be some interesting skeletons in some closets that might make those with young children think twice about attending certain pinball events.
IBTL.

if you have something to offer, spit it out.

#64 9 years ago

GRC is actually quite small. It's mostly just Mike and Ray who do everything. A few others will generally do some work here and there for a while such as myself. Ray is really a marvel when it comes to repair work. He's one of the few people I know that actually went to school for coin-op repair. Mike handles pretty much everything else as Ray is usually on the road doing service calls. Either way, it's mostly just two talented individuals at GRC compared to a team of people at other similar businesses. I've always been impressed by the quality of their products. Although there are a few, not many people can do what they do with so little help.

As for the current issues, and although they bother me, don't really concern me as that was before GRC. I'm looking for high-quality stuff that will last. There aren't many other options available and I haven't been let down yet. The jukebox I have that was purchased from TNT is a different story and the recent internet dealings I've been having with Todd have not been pleasant.

#65 9 years ago

Doesnt this count as like a 3rd account for these guys? They also have personally attacked the mods in many of their videos.

#66 9 years ago

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#67 9 years ago

All I know is that last video that you posted on here all u are trying to hurt the competition. Tnt releases informational videos every week and does not directly say anything about other companies. However I could see why grc does this because in tnt videos they have new machines every week and in grc videos they pretty much have same stuff every month so its pretty clear who the people choose to do business with and from the actions on here I can understand why. All in all im just glad pinball is back . Cant we all just get along its only pinball?

#68 9 years ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

All I know is that last video that you posted on here all u are trying to hurt the competition. Tnt releases informational videos every week and does not directly say anything about other companies. However I could see why grc does this because in tnt videos they have new machines every week and in grc videos they pretty much have same stuff every month so its pretty clear who the people choose to do business with and from the actions on here I can understand why. All in all im just glad pinball is back . Cant we all just get along its only pinball?

TNT bashes GRC over on the KLOV arcade forums. They both go at one another. Maybe one day that photo they took together at the Marple auctions will be more than just a photo.

#69 9 years ago

Theres a big difference doing it on a forum and then on youtube . These retail businesses get most of their sales from people not on forums we all know better to pay the crazy prices they charge .so yes grc is intentionally trying to hurt other businesses while tnt is just takeing up for his company but not in a childish way , I mean come on watch that last video ?

#70 9 years ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

Theres a big difference doing it on a forum and then on youtube . These retail businesses get most of their sales from people not on forums we all know better to pay the crazy prices they charge .so yes grc is intentionally trying to hurt other businesses while tnt is just takeing up for his company but not in a childish way , I mean come on watch that last video ?

The fact they're both feuding coin-op retail businesses makes them both childish. Where's the friendship sparked by common interests? Maybe one day, GRC will stop with the youtube video bashing and TNT with the duplicate accounts to thumbs down videos.

#71 9 years ago
Quoted from pinballsmith:

The fact they're both feuding coin-op retail businesses makes them both childish. Where's the friendship sparked by common interests? Maybe one day, GRC will stop with the youtube video bashing and TNT with the duplicate accounts to thumbs down videos.

That would be nice but selling machines feeds the fam and pays the bills so I dont see it coming to a hault

#72 9 years ago

Where is this link to the articles? Am I missing something?

#75 9 years ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

I think he wanted the posts that showed tnt talking about grc we already know there are a ton of grc bashing tnt

Oh my bad, here are those:

#76 9 years ago

TwoChaniz = gameroomguru

Gameroomguru was Mike from GRC and was banned from pinside for attacking a moderator, and then trash pinside and all pinsiders on their YouTube channel. I was once very supportive of GRC but now all they do is bash TNT and that shit gets old. I recently watched one of their recent tech tip videos and was disappointed that they would attack a couple of the employees that work at TNT. I liked a few of there videos from a while back and have posted it on pinside, but they have taken a new low To poke fun at one TNT employee shape and size. I will no longer support them.

#77 9 years ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

I think he wanted the posts that showed tnt talking about grc we already know there are a ton of grc bashing tnt

I was referring to the links to the articles stating the main GRC guy was a registered sex offender. Thanks to all that have provided these links.... scary stuff.

#78 9 years ago

I see what you did there.

Always in the form of a question

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#79 9 years ago
Quoted from IntralotTech:

TwoChaniz = gameroomguru
Gameroomguru was Mike from GRC and was banned from pinside for attacking a moderator, and then trash pinside and all pinsiders on their YouTube channel. I was once very supportive of GRC but now all they do is bash TNT and that shit gets old. I recently watched one of their recent tech tip videos and was disappointed that they would attack a couple of the employees that work at TNT. I liked a few of there videos from a while back and have posted it on pinside, but they have taken a new low To poke fun at one TNT employee shape and size. I will no longer support them.

I don't think their is proof that TwoChaniz = gameroomguru. Doesn't Mike not work with GRC anymore? This TwoChaniz has shown up on comments of Youtube videos bragging about the shitstorm he creates on Pinside.

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#80 9 years ago

Took 5 minutes and pulled some comments from youtube channel. More are on the FB page but not sorting through that pile of s#*t.

From GRC:
"The video was purely pinside insult material. We need to maintain our legendary status? "

From GRC:
"Pissed off at Pinside? We are! That & the weekly top ten countdown.
Join "club banned" by sharing this to Pinside? Enjoy & Thank you subscribers!"

#81 9 years ago

Atomicboy, Did you edit your recent post or did a mod do that?

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#82 9 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Atomicboy, Did you edit your recent post or did a mod do that?

I asked him. No full names or they will shut it down.

#83 9 years ago

That's why I always take screenshots of CONtroversial items.

#84 9 years ago

I took it down by request. I'm surprised no one has posted the links though. It is all public information, nothing private.

I just want the girls he is "doing business" with now to be aware, hopefully they read it and do their own searches.

#85 9 years ago

Maybe the video girls are on Pinside! That one looks to be a pretty accomplished trumpet player, from the vid. I always loved the trumpet part in that tune.

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#86 9 years ago

While I think the GRC minions are absolute dinks, I think we have to be careful about a witch hunt regarding this public information. From what I read, what he was charged with could cover a huge range of possible actions. I've known people who were accused of raping their wives (who they lived with) who end up on that list, with a similar charge.

#87 9 years ago
Quoted from tamoore:

While I think the GRC minions are absolute dinks, I think we have to be careful about a witch hunt regarding this public information. From what I read, what he was charged with could cover a huge range of possible actions. I've known people who were accused of raping their wives (who they lived with) who end up on that list, with a similar charge.

Who falls under that status?

#88 9 years ago
Quoted from tamoore:

While I think the GRC minions are absolute dinks, I think we have to be careful about a witch hunt regarding this public information. From what I read, what he was charged with could cover a huge range of possible actions. I've known people who were accused of raping their wives (who they lived with) who end up on that list, with a similar charge.

This isn't peeing in public near a park or school. This isn't a 19 year old dating a 17 year old and the parents charging the 19 of rape. This isn't a disgruntled wife getting the husband in trouble with the law.

This is a 30 year old man luring 2 15 year olds to cybersex and meeting up with them, feeding them alcohol and having sexual contact with them. Was a sex addiction then and still try's to use sex to sell his pins. Where do you think he got his models? I'm guessing he hung out at a local college and asked the female students if they wanted to make a few extra bucks. That is alleged but I don't think I'm far off. These "models" are of age but shows the guy is still overly obsessed with sex and praying on younger women.

#89 9 years ago
Quoted from dantebean:

This isn't peeing in public near a park or school. This isn't a 19 year old dating a 17 year old and the parents charing the 19 of rape. This isn't a disgruntled wife getting the husband in trouble with the law.
This is a 30 year old man luring 2 15 year olds to cybersex and meeting up with them, feeding them alcohol and having sexual contact with them. Had a sex addiction then and still try's to use sex to sell his pins. Where do you think he got his models? I'm guessing he hung out at a local college and asked the female students if they wanted to make a few extra bucks. That is alleged but I don't think I'm far off. These "models" are of age but shows the guy is still overly obsessed with sex and praying on younger women.

Ok. If those are the facts of the case he was charged with, I'm amazed he's out of prison if the events happened in 2000.

#90 9 years ago
Quoted from tamoore:

Ok. If those are the facts of the case he was charged with, I'm amazed he's out of prison if the events happened in 2000.

Plea deal I'm guessing. Per sex offender laws he is registered up to 20 years to life.

#91 9 years ago
Quoted from dantebean:

Took 5 minutes and pulled some comments from youtube channel. More are on the FB page but not sorting through that pile of s#*t.
From GRC:
"The video was purely pinside insult material. We need to maintain our legendary status? "
From GRC:
"Pissed off at Pinside? We are! That & the weekly top ten countdown.
Join "club banned" by sharing this to Pinside? Enjoy & Thank you subscribers!"

I know I might be nitpicking here but why is it that they use question marks instead of explanation points all the time? I know I'm an idiot but still?

#92 9 years ago

Getting back to the original thread title and a response to it.....

What's the point in starting a thread with the sole intention of stirring up sh!t? (And I'm not just talking about this thread.)

I'll admit I don't know jack squat about all the backstory behind the bad beef between you and Pinside(and honestly, I neither care, nor need to), but ALL I ever see from you are posts that are clearly made to piss off people and stir the pot. Clearly not the moral high ground that you like to claim you and your company stand upon. If Ray is such a great guy and a great tech guy, he needs to know that the people he works with are ruining HIS reputation. As the old saying goes, you are the company you keep.

You've proven time and time again by your posts here and on other sites, that you've got some massive hard-on for pissing off people on Pinside. Just exactly how does that turn into sales? How does that generate profit? How does that paint GRC in a good light? Keep in mind, all I'm talking about are YOUR posts. I've truly never really seen anything but mean, spiteful, vitriolic posts from you. Why? Who here pissed in your corn flakes?

How about if from now on, before you post or start a new thread, take time to consider what your impetus is before hitting the send button. If your thought is, "Oh man, this ought to really piss off those damn Pinside idiots", don't post it. Save yourself the time, anguish, and relentless defensive arguments and refrain from hitting the send button. However, if your thought is, "Hmm. You know, there are some people out there with some System 11's that might not know about this really cool trick/feature", or even, "Hey, we're about to have a sale on (whatever)", then go right ahead, post away!

I think if you start to make thoughtful, helpful posts and stay away from all the obvious trolling, people will change their tune with you and your company. Because as it stands now, I'm certain you've pissed off enough people that will make it a point to drive 100 miles further to the next guy, whoever it is, and regardless of price, just to make sure you don't get their business.

And please, get one of the mods to change your name to 2Chainz. Even he deserves that much respect to spell his name right.

#93 9 years ago

Time to close this trainwreck-of-a-thread?
Time to close this trainwreck-of-a-thread!

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