If you talk about it it will rise...thats how it works.

I'm hoping for Rolling stones to go up.. Something I don't like to play, so price increase won't bother me. How about Baywatch? (no offense to you baywatch and stones fans).

Gilligan's Island, it's a very underrated pin IMO. It's steadily gaining a rabid fan base.

I don't consider these lost. If you borrowed money to buy one even (not that I recommend it) you could recoup your costs 6 months later when you sell them. But my guess is monster bash and cirqus Voltaire will be next to explode. Also tron seems to be climbing fast. If stern makes another run or a run of premiums though that may satisfy tron. I predict in a couple years spiderman is outrageous. Demand for that is extra high lately and its value seems to be back over $4k.

MB has been ridiculous for quite some time now.

Spiderman is already harder to get than MB or CV.

Yep. Pricing for AFM hit the stratosphere and is now out of reach for many people, including me .
Anyones guess for the next one. I read in a recent thread that its going to be Gilligan. Joke of course and I wish I could give credit to the original poster because his theory on price-increase still has me smiling. Edit: Dewey-was it you?

Is your master plan working yet?

Starship Troopers!!! (kidding, but not really, I love that game, haha)

I think that sites such as this one are very good for the pinball community, but at the same time contribute to what you are talking about. For people that are just entering the hobby, they will go straight to websites like these and look at what pins are popular and hogging the top ranking spots. Let's be honest, without buying these titles the only way to see/play them is to visit the home of a private collector or go to a pinball convention. I think this has caused many people to buy games just based on ratings of these sites, which in turn has caused the supply of these games to dwindle quite a bit. My best guess going into the future would be to look at the games hogging the top ten that are out of production.

Agreed... but 6 months would not be a simple recouping of costs, it would be flat out profit. Going forward it's important to note that once collectors items are considered an investment, watch out for the bottom to fall out of the market at some point, sooner than most would like.

For the most part MB is already an $8k pin, it tracks fairly well with AFM pricing. CV is already close behind.

Dewey68 said:Gilligan's Island, it's a very underrated pin IMO. It's steadily gaining a rabid fan base.
Is your master plan working yet?

"I know nothink"

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As I just got a TS, I hope that makes a significant rise.

RFM. It gets talked up how it's better than AFM but at a fraction of the price. So it won't be such a small fraction much longer.

Why doesn't your collection show the 25 Gilligan's Island pins that you've got stored in a warehouse?

TOTAN!

WH20

Theatre of Magic (biased)

I think TOTAN, SM, and LOTR will gradually rise. The reasons are numerous. One reason is there really are not that many of them when you compare them to TZ and TAF. Another reason is that the gameplay is fairly good and they have themes that are generally appealing to many. Additionally, there are a lot of new people filtering into the hobby and demand is rising in general, and if you are going to spend thousands of dollars on something you might as well get as good of a game as you can.

BSD.

DRAC ATTACK!

BUUUUT....you never really lose a pin. Thems things is outs theres.

Scared Stiff is schd next! I checked!!

Pretty sure it will be Raven.

Huh? BOTH are difficult to find, period!!

CV will rise when playfields are available. Also expecting to see SC start to rise.
I don't see BSD rising too high, too difficult to play.

Agreed. I'm leaving a spot open in my collection for a CV but, with other major pin purchases I already made this year, I can't even consider it for a while. I fear it's already getting out of reach; not just due to price, but also due to the numbers produced.

Well I ran in to both with no problem but it took a while to find SM. Guess its mostly luck and timing. Either way most people seem to prefer playing SM to these two. For me SM #1, MB #2 and CV is OK.

lol You never know I guess.

I think a majority of the Bally/WMS 90s titles are going up. WH2O, Shadow seem to be going up. JD maybe next, who knows.

I wouldn't trade my Baywatch for a No Fear... Just saying.

Still very affordable, but FT has to be one that is going to rise. Fun game, lots of them made, but most are in rough shape due to worn PFs and being prone to fade.
I doubt it will ever be out of reach, but it's definitely already gone from a $1500 pin to upwards of $2500 in just a few months.

Indiana Jones (Stern), Nascar, and hurricane are hot hot hot! Got to agree with jarjar Raven is on it's way to legendary status as well.

Skateball, Shadow, Fishtales, TSPP, and BSD...

How about any new LE pin? 7000 for acdc with a stupid mini playfield, and crap rules, and clipart designed artwork? No thx haha

I think you guys are forgetting Hardbody

I know you are kidding...but Stern Indy IS friggin' hot. They didn't make many, the theme kicks butt, and it has a fantastic, accessible toy that makes people grab their friends and say: "Look at this!"

Sure, hardcore pin folk hate it...mainly because of how you have to play it to get a good score. (Plow-fest!)

There is a reason that a ROUTED IJ4 just sold on eBay for nearly $5k...with only a couple of really bad pictures (and no shots of the cab). Make fun...but that title isn't going down in price.

I'd also pick:
Safecracker
ToTAN
Predator
Cirqus Voltaire

...as games that will be on the rise.

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I think there is a Popeye bid up at about $3000 on Rbay right now...

Every time I see that back glass it makes something else on my body hard

Tron LE is already there I think.

Had CV and it got boring fast for such a beautiful game. I'd guess that SM, TOTAN and LOTR are next to go up the hill. FG might be up there too since there were so few made and the entire game is so unique with its layout and so bizarre with the call outs.

Already saw a TSPP on CL for $8K. Maybe that or WH20.

Waterworld?

Please keep talking up all these Sterns. I am sticking with the early to mid 90's DE and B/W, so just talk those Sterns up to kingdom come. Keep the ones I want affordable.

The pin market is probably the closest I've seen to the crude oil industry. Lots of talking and speculation followed by a rocketing of prices on certain pins and a gradual and general increase of the product in question. Pretty much none of them lose value; it's like once a pin hits a increase in price, it is NOT falling - reminds me of a zip-tie - stays locked in place once set.

Shame AFM is pretty much off my radar now. Routed machines at 8k = ridiculous and unnecessary. MM is a masterpiece, but when we start talking prices of new cars here - come on. I won't even go into CC and BBB territory - those prices just make me laugh.

Now if I had a job that paid me $3000 a week, I'd be making it rain like a hurricane snatching these pins up. Alas, we live nowhere near perfect .

lol

You guys are KILLING ME! I sold both of those this month. LOL

I'm not sure how long the older pins from the 90's are going to keep increasing in value (note I am not saying they will decrease) when all these new manufacturers get their pins out (and Stern continues to improve their pins, I think we all agree Stern is spending more money on their pins now, which is good). Eventually, the older pins will start feeling dated and people will gravitate to the newer pins and their prices will rise while the older pins have little movement up or down.

SM and LOTR are going to have big bumps in prices in my opinion.

I have to agree. Always loved pinball and then forgot about it for years. Along came Pinball Arcade and I got all excited. Put a budget together of about 25-30k and started research. Obviously in short time I planned on owning MM, TOTAN and TOM etc.
Was very fortunate to find two local guys with two different collections. One was the classics and was almost all new Sterns. Both played awesome.
After that I realized I am not in to restoring, I like themes my kids will also be excited about and I love the new technologies and just buying newer things.
My money went to a newer collection.
I bet with LCDs, new makers and Stern ramping it up you will see exactly as stated above happen. Probably will take three years but newer folks coming in will want newer games as they come out and as more tables hit Pinball Arcade more tastes will also diversify.
Given that If I had a MM, MB, AFM, TOTAN, and TOM I would look to sell soon. meanwhile SM and LOTR are getting hotter by the day. B and C titles are just going to languish.
Best plan is buy and own what you like, not what speculated on : )

Improvemts to older games, the colour DMD for example, are going
to help keep certain titles from seeming obsolete. The millennium was the first in several decades where pinball did not see a significant advance in technology. Look at the average value of DMDs vs SS games.

So what will the next advancement be? LCD displays? If so I'd like them to be small on the backbox, like the DMD. If a bigger one is used, maybe right in the playfield.

Pinball 2000 was a failed attempt at pinballs decade driven advancement. It would take something big to make people dump the better DMD games for new stuff.

Sorry, to me it is one of the worst pins ever made but as always to each their own. I doubt it will be a pin who's value skyrockets but anything can happen in this crazy world of pinball. There will be a defender for almost every pin out there. I was just throwing out a few I did not care for in good fun. As long as the owner/buyer likes it that is all that really matters.

hehe.. NF was never my first choice, I'd never say that's the next one to increase.. even though it did increase after I got it.

Besides, everybody poops.. the next big dollars game has to be one with a toilet on it, Austin Powers, South Park, or Junkyard.

Whirlwind . Maybe some other top Sys11s will move up in the ranks as they are half or less of the newer pins. I would conisder Whirlwind a HEP candidate for instance.

CPR has a lot of System 11 playfields in the pipeline (including Whirlwind). I wonder if the availability of these will drive up prices.