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Whats on the assembly line right now at JJP?


By Pins4me

4 years ago



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    #51 4 years ago
    Quoted from lllvjr:

    Ruby red still selling still producing... Not just sales in the USA but sales over seas still happening.

    And the Pindemption model.

    LTG : )™

    #52 4 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I'd guess that JJP was hoping they'd have the next LOTR trilogy to work with, and instead they ended up with a big, bloated, and yet somehow empty set of films.

    Agreed. Very bloated-run on.

    #53 4 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I'd guess that JJP was hoping they'd have the next LOTR trilogy to work with, and instead they ended up with a big, bloated, and yet somehow empty set of films.

    They should have ample assets for video, sound, voice, and image for a pinball machine. Even with their over the top LCD requirements

    #54 4 years ago
    Quoted from Goronic:

    They should have ample assets for video, sound, voice, and image for a pinball machine. Even with their over the top LCD requirements

    This is true. 9+ hours of footage ought to be enough even for Keith's programming!

    #55 4 years ago

    just barely enough ...

    #56 4 years ago
    Quoted from beelzeboob:

    No...that's just sour grapes when the only thing really coming off the line at Stern is Whoa Nellie and Wrestlemania. Wait...are ANY actually coming off the line? He could also be upset that this is one overpriced machine that he can't sell.

    you need to add MMR and MET to that list

    #57 4 years ago

    At least those are good machines!

    #58 4 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    Unfortunately the movies were pretty much forgettable the moment you walked out of the theater.
    Luckily movie quality doesn't mean much about game quality, The Shadow is one of my favorite games, and that film was pretty terrible. And even if no one really cares about the movies the theme is still pretty timeless and recognizable.
    I'd guess that JJP was hoping they'd have the next LOTR trilogy to work with, and instead they ended up with a big, bloated, and yet somehow empty set of films.

    You are right but from an operators view the timing of release ( machine has already missed the start of UK spring/summer arcade or pubs holiday season so if you want all of that it's now going to be 2016 ) The actor Martin Freeman is on the backglass and video and so the machine is tied to the films in appearance. All is not lost by any means but it's going to be old news ON RELEASE.

    #59 4 years ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Wow. Actually I just heard from a JJP distributor the other night that there is still demand for WOZ and that he can't get anymore games in at the moment to sell.

    I will second that statement as well, there is still a demand for woz!
    Pincades
    Chicago land JJP DIst.
    JT

    I have 2 hobbits left

    #60 4 years ago

    I saw all those WOZ nib that they were selling at the show.
    Anyone know if they sold any?
    I love the WOZ, but at this point, for that kind of money, I would prefer to wait for The Hobbit.
    I really cant wait though to see what Pat Lawler's machine is going to look like.
    I wonder if its a wide body? When and what was Pat's last machine?
    What's unique about it for JJP, is because this is the first time its coming from a non-JJP designer. Not a bad thing, just a total change in a different direction.

    It really is an exciting time to be a pinhead

    #61 4 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    And the Pindemption model.
    LTG : )™

    I really hope JJP isn't banking on Pindemption being a hit.

    #62 4 years ago

    They originally said it would be a standard sized machine, but later JJP stated that it is a widebody.

    #63 4 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    I really hope JJP isn't banking on Pindemption being a hit.

    He is. Why do you hope he isn't ?

    #64 4 years ago

    Unless I misunderstood, Jack told me at TPF that Pat's game is not a wide body.

    #65 4 years ago
    Quoted from beelzeboob:

    That's one of the top 10 movies of all time, and it's iconic. There's a difference.

    No, it's not. Not even close, even adjusted for inflation.

    #66 4 years ago

    Who the hell said anything about money? I'm talking about QUALITY:

    http://www.afi.com/100years/movies10.aspx

    #67 4 years ago
    Quoted from beelzeboob:

    Who the hell said anything about money? I'm talking about QUALITY:
    http://www.afi.com/100years/movies10.aspx

    Quality is in the eye of the beholder, like art or beauty.

    Money is cold hard facts.

    #68 4 years ago

    You sure do love to argue.

    #69 4 years ago
    Quoted from beelzeboob:

    You sure do love to argue.

    That's the pot calling the kettle black.

    #70 4 years ago

    Not at all. Your statement just supported Justin Bieber and the Kardashians. Quality stuff, that. Take your last shot at me and let's move on...

    (Besides, you took this in a direction that wasn't intended. I said nothing about money, even though I fail to see how WOZ hasn't made a ton of cash with all the licensing, etc., over the years.)

    #71 4 years ago
    Quoted from beelzeboob:

    Not at all. Your statement just supported Justin Bieber and the Kardashians. Quality stuff, that. Take your last shot at me and let's move on...
    (Besides, you took this in a direction that wasn't intended. I said nothing about money, even though I fail to see how WOZ hasn't made a ton of cash with all the licensing, etc., over the years.)

    When people talk about movies in the Top 10, they are generally referring to the money they made.

    What WOZ has made as a pin is not relevant to your comment about the movie.

    And you're proving my point when you continue to argue....keep digging that hole!

    #72 4 years ago

    Anyway the point is WOZ film is recognized as a timeless classic. The pinball machine didn't need a particular time to be released.

    #73 4 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I'd guess that JJP was hoping they'd have the next LOTR trilogy to work with, and instead they ended up with a big, bloated, and yet somehow empty set of films.

    Agreed. I didn't even go to see the last film. Hobbit movies made Tolkein turn in his grave I'm sure.

    #74 4 years ago
    Quoted from Pins4me:

    I saw all those WOZ nib that they were selling at the show.
    Anyone know if they sold any?
    I love the WOZ, but at this point, for that kind of money, I would prefer to wait for The Hobbit.
    I really cant wait though to see what Pat Lawler's machine is going to look like.
    I wonder if its a wide body? When and what was Pat's last machine?
    What's unique about it for JJP, is because this is the first time its coming from a non-JJP designer. Not a bad thing, just a total change in a different direction.
    It really is an exciting time to be a pinhead

    All sold. I helped set one of them up.

    #75 4 years ago
    Quoted from jungle:

    He is. Why do you hope he isn't ?

    I personally believe that they are solving the wrong problem.

    Finding a sexy way to link ticket spewing to an entirely new mode of gameplay doesn't fix why pins aren't accepted as redemption machines.

    -3
    #76 4 years ago

    Careful. Too many more cheap shots like that and they'll start calling you Anders Breivik.

    #77 4 years ago
    Quoted from TaTa:

    All sold. I helped set one of them up.

    Wow. I was there from opening until about 2pm and not one sold. He must have moved those fast during the final hours of the show.

    #78 4 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    I personally believe that they are solving the wrong problem.
    Finding a sexy way to link ticket spewing to an entirely new mode of gameplay doesn't fix why pins aren't accepted as redemption machines.

    I suppose you are saying that operators make more money from other types of redemption machine which is true. But why would this stop a pinball machine being either part of the mix with other games or a stand-alone in some locations ?

    #79 4 years ago
    Quoted from jfh:

    Unless I misunderstood, Jack told me at TPF that Pat's game is not a wide body.

    Read the same info somewhere.

    #80 4 years ago
    Quoted from jungle:

    I suppose you are saying that operators make more money from other types of redemption machine which is true. But why would this stop a pinball machine being either part of the mix with other games or a stand-alone in some locations ?

    Maybe they will get peppered here and there, but that's a negligible increase.

    To beat redemption games, pinball itself has to change, not just the software or the way tickets are awarded.

    I don't have the silver bullet, I wish I did. I just know that when we see it, we will all know it. That feeling hasn't happened with pindemption.

    #81 4 years ago
    Quoted from pinball_keefer:

    Careful. Too many more cheap shots like that and they'll start calling you Anders Breivik.

    I'm not sure how him taking a cheap shot at JJP suddenly makes him the same as a mass murdering terrorist?

    Did I miss something?

    #82 4 years ago

    Maybe it has more to do with his diagnosis of NPD.

    #83 4 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    I'm not sure how him taking a cheap shot at JJP suddenly makes him the same as a mass murdering terrorist?
    Did I miss something?

    I don't think that was directed at you. That was directed at GAPs comment about dust on the assembly line.

    Quoted from pinball_keefer:

    Careful. Too many more cheap shots like that and they'll start calling you Anders Breivik.

    #84 4 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    I really hope JJP isn't banking on Pindemption being a hit.

    Save pinball. No.

    Sell more game. Yes.

    LTG : )

    #85 4 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Save pinball. No.
    Sell more game. Yes.
    LTG : )

    I actually believe Pinball doesn't need any kind of concerted effort to "save it". This is probably too philosophical for a lunch break post, but what most people considering "saving" pinball is to return it to some previous state where there were lines of pins in arcades. That is more nostalgia than anything.

    JJP may initially sell a handful of incremental sales from ops interested in trying Pindemption, but I don't think that Pindemption will drive any type of organic growth for JJP.

    We've been indoctrinated into a world where we expect to look at something and instinctively understand it. One of the reasons that Apple has done so well is that there were no instructions. Everything was intuitive. You pick up an iPhone and you just instinctively understand what to do.

    When you walk up to a redemption machine these days, the entire concept of the game makes sense. There is no reading and no rules to figure out.

    Compare that to pinball, where even with dumbed down software and a LCD screen full of instructions, a WoZ playfield is a complicated beast.

    Let's contrast that to one of the machines I see a lot of in arcades, and also one of my personal favorites, the Big Bass Wheel (pictured below). There is literally one input, and one output. It's almost impossible to not understand that game.

    I LOVE pinball, but I'm still more likely to stick a buck into the Big Bass Wheel than a pindemption machine, because I am there for a different reason. Make Pindemption work with the LCD turned off, and I might start to shift my opinion.

    tl;dr - Trying to modify a pinball machine to serve as a redemption machine is a bit like trying to make a car also work as a boat. You can technically do it, but you end up with something that does neither job very well.

    This is all my opinion, I don't work at a pinball company.

    Big Bass Wheel, as promised. I love this game and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

    big-bass-wheel-pro-jackpot-ticket-redemption-game-baytek-games.jpg

    #86 4 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    Maybe they will get peppered here and there, but that's a negligible increase.
    To beat redemption games, pinball itself has to change, not just the software or the way tickets are awarded.
    I don't have the silver bullet, I wish I did. I just know that when we see it, we will all know it. That feeling hasn't happened with pindemption.

    Combining virtual fruit machine reels on the LCD with hitting certain targets. Different targets for each reel to spin. I think that kind of thing might be an idea.

    #87 4 years ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    Did I miss something?

    Yes, a literary technique called "play on words" whereupon one uses words that are alike or sound alike but differ in meaning. As he has repeatedly taken such shots while being a Stern representative, the direct meaning of "cheap shots" is clearly in play, and played upon by referencing an individual that took "cheap shots" in the gun-related meaning of the term.

    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Edit: After a PM, I have realized I took Aurich's post the wrong way, so for that reason I apologize to him for the overly snarky tone of this reply. I don't really believe in covering up mistakes, though, so I'll let it stand otherwise.

    #88 4 years ago
    Quoted from jungle:

    Combining virtual fruit machine reels on the LCD with hitting certain targets. Different targets for each reel to spin. I think that kind of thing might be an idea.

    Totally agree that could be cool, but my point is for that to be a successful redemption game, that's what the game would need to be stripped down to.

    3 targets at the end of an otherwise unpopulated flat play surface that you flip pinballs at to stop the reels. If the game lasts more than 15 seconds, I feel like it wouldn't be successful. No other targets, no other distractions.

    Redemption is a really interesting model psychologically. The games I see most copies of are the games that don't require any thought and make both parties (the op and player) feel like they've won every time. No matter how many tickets you win, with a traditional pinball machine the ball always drains eventually and that feels like you lost.

    #89 4 years ago

    With the popular stacker game you build up blocks and most times you eventually lose or at least don't win the major prize. So with pindemption if you could come CLOSE to a big win maybe losing a ball wouldn't be too bad. But I pretty much agree with all you say. Pinball ( with or without tickets ) became too complicated for most types of location. One thing is for sure. A really successful redemption pinball will be hated on here !

    #90 4 years ago
    Quoted from pinball_keefer:

    Yes, a literary technique called "play on words" whereupon one uses words that are alike or sound alike but differ in meaning. As he has repeatedly taken such shots while being a Stern representative, the direct meaning of "cheap shots" is clearly in play, and played upon by referencing an individual that took "cheap shots" in the gun-related meaning of the term.

    Holy crap. Nerd alert!!

    #91 4 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    Maybe they will get peppered here and there, but that's a negligible increase.
    To beat redemption games, pinball itself has to change, not just the software or the way tickets are awarded.
    I don't have the silver bullet, I wish I did. I just know that when we see it, we will all know it. That feeling hasn't happened with pindemption.

    Pinball is only marketed to adults. If nothing but dinosaur band pins and adult themes keep getting made, they'll never get these games into kid's arcades where redemption games live. Not marketing to the audience that matters most, their future investors, kids, will come back to bite. These kids won't grow up and want to relive their youth and buy a pin. That ship has sailed, they've missed out on that, granted Stern made a good move and stayed afloat by offering nostalgia to 30+ year old guys. They have to change their ways during up times though if they want to keep going in the future. There is no doubt in my mind a Spongebob or Pokemon pin with a flashy LCD and video clips would be ignored in an arcade. For kids, theme is often more important than gameplay. I bet redeption games become collectables.

    #92 4 years ago

    thedefog ,

    that's a good post on the day Kiss is announced. That says it all. Stern has been great and brought out some real fun games in recent years but they are aimed purely at old pinheads and nostalgia bars. It would be great if JJP said we are going to make a different kind of pin aimed solely at the redemption/arcade market.

    #93 4 years ago
    Quoted from jungle:

    thedefog ,
    that's a good post on the day Kiss is announced. That says it all. Stern has been great and brought out some real fun games in recent years but they are aimed purely at old pinheads and nostalgia bars. It would be great if JJP said we are going to make a different kind of pin aimed solely at the redemption/arcade market.

    Agreed.

    I was thinking about some ideas today, like your slot reel idea. I was thinking of some kind of Simon/guitar hero game where you have 4 colored buttons in front of you, and a Rube Goldberg style play field with elements that can be controlled. You press the colored buttons in the sequence shown on the screen, guitar hero style, and then the game "plays" the sequence you put in. If you have hit all the right buttons at the right times, the correct gates/toys on the play field are activated at the right times and you get to watch the ball roll through successfully. Hit the wrong stuff and it takes alternate paths that don't score as much. Each level has more button presses than the last.

    #94 4 years ago
    Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

    3 targets at the end of an otherwise unpopulated flat play surface that you flip pinballs at to stop the reels. If the game lasts more than 15 seconds, I feel like it wouldn't be successful. No other targets, no other distractions.

    I think maybe the Multimorphic P3 could do something like this.

    Have a super simple redemption game running during the day for the kids, swap in the real pinball in the evening for the league crowd.

    2 weeks later
    #95 4 years ago

    Any official word as to when the first Hobbits will start on the line?

    #96 4 years ago

    It could be weeks, months, years or never. It depends on who you believe.

    Nothing official in a long, long time.

    #97 4 years ago

    Wow, I completely forgot that JJP was even making the Hobbit. Wasn't this supposed to come out late last year timed with the release of the 3rd movie (then moved to a March/April release)? Missing the boat is definitely an understatement

    #99 4 years ago
    Quoted from Pins4me:

    Any official word as to when the first Hobbits will start on the line?

    start shipping July/august 2,000 games, new game release for expo

    #100 4 years ago

    I am going to open up my own Pancake Parlour or Dunkin Donuts with all the pm's

    Look for me at expo, I will be the Fattest one there, Burp

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