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What do you prefer, The Avengers LE or Transformers LE?


By rai

5 years ago



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“What's better?”

  • Transformers LE 74 votes
    57%
  • Avengers LE 55 votes
    43%

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#52 5 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

That's a great video to show both what's good and what's bad about AVLE.
I think the music is great. There are several shots on AVLE that are extremely satisfying. More so than many recent Stern pins. The tesseract sound fx are really cool.
To me the main drawback of AVLE is the code. As others have mentioned, the sheer number of shots required to progress through the game is very high.
That video is 24 minute game. Where is the break out scoring opportunity? Didn't see it in that game. The scoring seems to be too balanced, without enough risk/reward scenarios that give you the chance for the big payback. I'd get bored of a pin that I could keep having 25 minute games on without feeling like I made much progress.
I'd take AVLE over TFLE in a fairly close choice, but the mini PF on TFLE tips the scales clearly in AVLE's favor.

You've hit on something. The scoring in AV IS too balanced....despite the fact that some say you can play a "bonus rape" strategy (that I find absurd). AV would benefit from some risk/reward action and some hurry-ups and rule based scoring tweaks. I am holding out for a rules polish but the game is mostly done and just fine as is.

That said, I think the game is mis-understood and far better than its rep. I love it, and the challenge it presents. It's better than Transformers, which is also better than its rep and can be a stone cold blast to play in its own right.

Hulk and Megatron MBs are crazy "balls a poppin'" fun. Oh what a Lyman ruleset coulda done for either

#81 5 years ago

TF is nothing like Lotr. Nada.

#86 5 years ago
Quoted from rai:

I misread a post about LOTR my bad.

From some of the things you've posted about games and what you like, I think you'd like TF or TFLE. I was sold as soon as I played it at the PHoF. They had Tron LE and BIB and IM and practically everything else at the time and I kept going back to the TF. It captivated me. Of course I'd read NOTHING of the broken promises, fake voices, disappointments etc. it was just me and the game and I knew I wanted one after a handful of plays. It wasn't until later I learned of all the grief...and luckily I didn't care, because I rocked TFLE for a year in my house and had a blast. Eventually I realized the rules flaw...and it sucked...but Stern fixed it. So new buyers get the right game from the get-go rules wise.

I bought AVLE nib (actually a surprise gift from my wife) so I lived through all the drama with that one...both in terms of the games issues (and goodness) and the Pinside drama. Owning the game through all the turmoil it became maddening to consistently read all the negative comments and vitriol. I've said it a lot: one cannot play my game and say the game sucks.

Bigerle and Jackofdiamonds picked up my JM the other day and both were blown away by my AVLE. They LIKED it. Said they'd never played one as nice and never realized how good the game could feel and play and how fun it was. Mine can't be the only one out there that delivers the goods...but it sure seems so sometimes. To me, that is the hobby's loss. So I say this: if you love the Avengers theme, and you're a good shot maker, and you're tired of standard layouts, and you appreciate a well integrated sound, music and light package and you DONT MiND tinkering with your game until it's practically perfect....than take a chance on AVLE. You'll love it!

#87 5 years ago

BTW, it's often said AVLE is just an MB rehash. That's a bad thing?

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