White Water
Williams, 1993The pin was bought by a small church and put in the basement since day 1. It is dirty, but that can be easily remedied.
The cabinets has a few scratches and a small area at the bottom of the edge on one side. Looks minty fresh!! Topper in grrrreat shape absolutely no fade on the pin or discoloration of the topper.
What say ye Pinsiders???
Quoted from smassa:Wouldnt that be considered CUO???.....
I'd say in the 4-5k range if its just dirty and has no wear.
Only played on Sundays.
Does Father Nordman know the sisters are selling his pin?
Quoted from toyotaboy:Oh that's pretty. Are pinballs really common in churches?
Thanks, this is my 1st pin from a church, so I am not sure.
My real dilema is I now have 2 wh2o's. This one and a 2nd I am doing a full restore on. New cabinet/playfield coming!! 
Quoted from Rick471:Thanks, this is my 1st pin from a church, so I am not sure.
My real dilema is I now have 2 wh2o's. This one and a 2nd I am doing a full restore on. New cabinet/playfield coming!!
Keep this one and sell the restore, that is one clean original game.
If I was to sell that I would have to get minimum 5K shopped.
Yes, buy the parts to make one into that condition, I am over 16 hundred just for PF and ramps.
I can't sell the game for 15, that wouldn't make much sense.
That game is unmolested, has no coil dust and looks like original rubbers.
It isn't a routed planked beater.
Condition is king and there are collectors that will pay for that.
Thanks for the pics, those are going in my file for reference on my restore.
tracelifter. I am not saying its not worth it, or the market doesn't suggest the price is fair, I am merely looking back and seeing yet another example of prices jumping sky high on a pin. I wish I would have kept mine now.
Hey,
I have a small request. I don't know if the batteries have been changed, or changed with the game on, but if you buy it, would you mind posting the audit of the number of games played? I'd be really curious to see how many games were played on it, or the number of games that have HYPOTHETICALLY been played on it...
Luke
Quoted from markmon:A pinball that it at a church for public youth use is a routed machine. It's on route at a church. That's no HUO. Id value it at whatever regular nice white waters are worth.
We adjusted it to CUO above!
I would pair this up vs any huo machine though...
Yes, that is stock.
That is what the doors on them looked like before they were passed around, look at the doors and you can see the two tabs they used to go through.
Also look at the shooter lane, every picture tells a story.
HUO, routed doesn't mean squat how many balls have been through the game?
Look at the shooter lane.
If the shooter lane is beat so are the components.
Quoted from tracelifter:Also look at the shooter lane, every picture tells a story.
Where are you seeing pictures of the shooter lane? I cannot see a good shots in any of the pics and only the upper part in a few of them.
Quoted from BoJo:Where are you seeing pictures of the shooter lane? I cannot see a good shots in any of the pics and only the upper part in a few of them.
Click on the 10th pic down and zoom.
Quoted from BoJo:Where are you seeing pictures of the shooter lane? I cannot see a good shots in any of the pics and only the upper part in a few of them.
Click on the 10th pic down and zoom.
What is this 5k business? Its 3k if its mint. This discussion about the price of WH20 has come up on pinside too much lately and I smell a rat. Someone is trying to drive up the price of white water machines. I am not saying its rick, but something’s going on here, where does this 5K come from.
Quoted from Rick471:We adjusted it to CUO above!
I would pair this up vs any huo machine though...
There's no such term as CUO. A machine put on free play in a public church will probably get more (ab)use than a routed machine in a bar. HUO machines are generally played only by the owner or in presence of the owner and cared for by that owner. All this changes when a machine is "routed in a church". There's nothing here that pairs this up with a HUO machine. It's a nice routed machine. Being on location doesn't make it not nice. But it does make it not HUO.
Almost perfect decals, perfect playfield, just a thorough shop job and perhaps some new ramps and this thing is as nice as any of them out there. And I've seen mint ones sell for $5K plus. I'd say this one deserves to be in the mid $4K range.. more to a motivated buyer who wants a true survivor.
Quoted from hank527:$4500 is my guess on HUO value and this one is clean. WH20 is $6K fully restored with NOS playfield and new ramps etc..,
At the very least!
Quoted from markmon:There's no such term as CUO. A machine put on free play in a public church will probably get more (ab)use than a routed machine in a bar. HUO machines are generally played only by the owner or in presence of the owner and cared for by that owner. All this changes when a machine is "routed in a church". There's nothing here that pairs this up with a HUO machine. It's a nice routed machine. Being on location doesn't make it not nice. But it does make it not HUO.
Leave it to you Mark to remove all levity from the purchase of a nice machine. Was simply joking about the CUO term. I understand it was routed at a church.
To say it is like all the other routed, "nice" machines is silly. I was just askin opinions, not planning on selling it anyways. I still think the machine is very, very, very low plays.
The gal who sold it to me said it had been sitting in the church hall's basement for the last 6-7 years not being played. And that guess, she said is because she has only been working there for that amount of time, could be longer. It just didn't have a shooter rod. Has 2 switch errors and thats it.
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