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What would you take ST LE or nice AFM?

By rai

10 years ago


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“Which would you prefer?”

  • ST LE 65 votes
    49%
  • AFM 68 votes
    51%

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#1 10 years ago
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rai

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I've been looking at the ST LE which I like the looks of, think it's overpriced but a lot of machines are 'overpriced'.

Got to thinking of a cage match if you will, two will enter one will leave.

So I was thinking what would be a fair fight?

I was thinking WoZ for the multiple color changing LEDs, I was thinking BSM since they are related by designer, and I was thinking of AFM for the space ship/saucer toy kind of open flow game.

I will just make the poll between ST LE and AFM just to see if ST has the chops to compete with the best classic pin or if people think the classic is past it's prime.

Suppose the AFM is a nice example which would you prefer and why?

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#2 10 years ago
 
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Shapeshifter

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13y 150K 10,468 8 144

Well AFM is my favorite 90's game and I miss mine.

But ST LE takes it to a new level with the ship firing back, and crashing. And the lightshow is miles better.

AFM wins on humor and dots.

I would have both but if only one, it's STLE.

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#3 10 years ago
 
JRH

Decat

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US Houston, TX

12y 28,900 278 5

Both are great games, with positives and negatives. From the looks of your collection and wish list it looks like this is hypothetical, so from the games you have listed there I would eliminate X-Men first and then Pirates and then WOZ before any of the others.

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#4 10 years ago
 
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Hawkeyepin

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US Des Moines, IA

14y 41,650 776 41

The limited time I've had on ST still makes me think I'd much rather own this game than AFM. ST seems to be more of a challenge. I do, however, like the art more on AFM but I don't own games for that piece alone. The only thing I don't like on ST is the DMD graphics - looks very early 90's. The "arch rivals" video game has just as good or better graphics than ST. Hell the complexity of Avatar's DMD seems better than ST's to me anyway.

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#5 10 years ago
 
MGS

Hugo

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US Columbus, OH

12y 44,050 151 34 25

AFM- Better game and it will still work 20 years from now to as the build quality is much better

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#6 10 years ago
 
JFH

jfh

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10y 161K 10,147

Tough choice, but I would say edge to AFM.

AFM is very easy for both the novice and expert to understand and has terrific sound and humor, with some great aftermarket mods available.

I wish I had room for both, but my wife thinks AFM is too similar to RFM.

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#7 10 years ago
 
YVH

goodgameslover

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Quoted from Shapeshifter:

AFM wins on humor and dots.
I would have both but if only one, it's STLE.

My thoughts exactly.

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#8 10 years ago
 
ROB

RobT

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13y 129K 21,266 3 40

I'm loving my STLE, but I'm in the honeymoon phase still.

AFM is a proven winner in terms of standing the test of time. All time classic, with superb game play and excellent theme. And it's flow is right on par with STLE.

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#9 10 years ago
 
JRK

jrivelli

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US Milwaukie, OR

11y 89,650 4,625 10 20

Quoted from RobT:

I'm loving my STLE, but I'm in the honeymoon phase still.
AFM is a proven winner in terms of standing the test of time. All time classic, with superb game play and excellent theme. And it's flow is right on par with STLE.

100% on board with this. AFM is a proven winner for me. Only seen STLE and yet to play it. Played the pro a good chunk and really like it, but AFM really is top notch if you get super deep in it. Humor is fantastic, rules are awesome and the simplistic PF layout is spot on

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#10 10 years ago
 
TAD

jints56

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#11 10 years ago
 
CBM

spfxted

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Nuff' said!

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#12 10 years ago
 
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Diamond2002

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11y 16,650 34 7

For me STLE
It's a hard poll as most people have played AFM compared to STLE
I guess most who vote will vote that way. Be good to do it again in a year or so...

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#13 10 years ago
 
SAM

smassa

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US San Diego, CA

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#14 10 years ago
 
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pinstor12

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12y 45,300 1,860

Buy both!

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#15 10 years ago
 
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Banker

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US Lewisville, NC

12y 82,550 1,813 37

STLE , no comparison. You can't make the old as appealing . 5-10 years from now, the light show as well as game
play appeal to the newer and younger pin buyers, will exaggerate this to a greater extent.

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#16 10 years ago
 
JFK

Clawhammer

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US Denver, CO

10y 15,900 167 7

AFM all day, err day.

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#17 10 years ago
 
PMD

PinballMikeD

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US Jacksonville, FL

12y 78,800 3,205 2

Sold my AFM and bought STLE. AFM is great, had it in my collection for almost 5 years. After awhile any machine will get old though. Sometimes a change up helps freshen things up. Just my 2 cents.

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#18 10 years ago
 
ROB

Guinnesstime

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11y 133K 5,876 20 1

AFM. It's iconic. STLE will most likely not be there. Guys selling AFM most likely bought it low and had it for a while.

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#19 10 years ago
 
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Santeh

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14y 47,650 989 30

Quoted from PinballMikeD:

Sold my AFM and bought STLE. AFM is great, had it in my collection for almost 5 years. After awhile any machine will get old though. Sometimes a change up helps freshen things up. Just my 2 cents.

I did the exact same thing! If I had unlimited money and space AFM would still be there but between the two STLE won.

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#20 10 years ago
 
SMB

Concretehardt

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US Eugene, OR

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Quoted from Santeh:

I did the exact same thing! If I had unlimited money and space AFM would still be there but between the two STLE won.

Quoted from PinballMikeD:

Sold my AFM and bought STLE. AFM is great, had it in my collection for almost 5 years. After awhile any machine will get old though. Sometimes a change up helps freshen things up. Just my 2 cents.

Well guys did you make the right choice? Do you both have STLE?

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#21 10 years ago
 
MJH

TimeBandit

redshiftLED.com.au

AU Sydney, Oz

10y 159K 5,511 3 65

If you were forced to have a one pin collection, surely you would have to go for STLE wouldn't you? I think if I was only faced with AFM all the time that I might pine for a bigger visual package and some chase lights at the very least. Not sure that I would be wishing for what AFM has to offer if I was only playing STLE. AFM is of course freaking awesome, but the question is have to pick one.

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#22 10 years ago
 
HPY

Santeh

Inactive member

14y 47,650 989 30

Quoted from Concretehardt:

Well guys did you make the right choice? Do you both have STLE?

So far, I have not missed AFM at all.

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#23 10 years ago
 
PMD

PinballMikeD

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US Jacksonville, FL

12y 78,800 3,205 2

Quoted from Concretehardt:

Well guys did you make the right choice? Do you both have STLE?

I hadn't played my AFM in over 10 months, so didn't see the point in keeping the machine any longer. I like STLE thus far. I've only played about 10 games on it though. Will I own it 5 years from now? If Stern and JJP keeping making solid machines, then the answer is probably no. I don't have a ton of space, so a game that gets played is better than a museum piece.

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#24 10 years ago
 
ZOD

Hazoff

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10y 112K 8,542

I really enjoyed my AFM but ST LE is the better game.

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#25 10 years ago
 
DAD

Aquapin

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CA Vancouver, BC

10y 87,800 801 4 19

ST LE over AFM for me. I owned AFM for a few years, but sold it. Great flow and humor, but after awhile just never got played. While I only have the Pro, I am very impressed so far and with more software updates down the road it will only get better.

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#26 10 years ago
 
PEZ

pezpunk

iScored

US Bristow, VA

11y 103K 7,008 4 20

I'm not picky, i'll take either one. who do I PM my address to?

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#27 10 years ago
 
ACE

Acejedi

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US Citrus Heights, CA

11y 51,900 459 57 15

AFM all the way

Joe(acejedi)

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#28 10 years ago
 
NAM

kwiKimart

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US San Diego, CA

12y 90,650 10,693 3 71

I'll take smassa's AFM.

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#29 10 years ago
 
PGL

northvibe

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Quoted from Hugo:

AFM- Better game and it will still work 20 years from now to as the build quality is much better

Pfff all the solder will be cracked and bulging caps I love both, be hard, but st has such a better light and new feel

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#30 10 years ago
 
RUM

yoshootme

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11y 60,900 1,115 6 13

Having a similar conversation with another pinsider. The old games feel , well, old. Outdated is the word we came up with. As much as I love my NGG and FT's or my TZ when I had it, AC/DC just feels so much nicer. Once I see an actual Hobbit, I think I am selling off the old ones and getting it. Maybe the STLE even sooner all for that reason. I MHO!

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#31 10 years ago
 
DAD

MapleSyrup

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CA Toronto, ON

11y 93,050 1,283 46 38

Quoted from yoshootme:

Having a similar conversation with another pinsider. The old games feel , well, old. Outdated is the word we came up with. As much as I love my NGG and FT's or my TZ when I had it, AC/DC just feels so much nicer. Once I see an actual Hobbit, I think I am selling off the old ones and getting it. Maybe the STLE even sooner all for that reason. I MHO!

I've felt the same with just about every highly rated vintage game... Except AFM. That game is fast, fun, rewarding. A bit repetitive to be sure, but the theme is really nailed. I would take it over MM, TOTAN, TAF etc. it's the only old school game that I sort of covet... And yet, I'm going STLE here.

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#32 10 years ago
 
JRM

Incognito

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US Johnson City, KS

11y 49,800 238 1 67

I haven't played ST yet but I believe it is a testament to its possible greatness that it is holding its own in the votes. Next Thursday the wait is over!

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#33 10 years ago
 
DAV

DaveH

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US Boston, MA

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Opinion mode: ST is a flash in the pan. A few years from now AFM will still be a great game. However, I wouldn't pick either of the two choices. There are a lot of games I'd pick over both of them for my gameroom.

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#34 10 years ago
 
PMD

PinballMikeD

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US Jacksonville, FL

12y 78,800 3,205 2

I had my in-laws over this evening for dinner. They are pinball collectors as well, so they were eager to play ST. I turned on SM, MB, and STLE for everyone to play. At the end of the evening I ask everyone to rate the machines. Here's what the unanimous order was: ST, MB, then SM. Personally, I'd put SM over MB.

The more I play ST the more I like it. I'm pressing the start button as soon as ball 3 drains. Yes I'm in the "honeymoon" phase still, but I don't remember being this excited to play pinball in a long time.

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#35 10 years ago
 
TDK

SilverBallz

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US Chicago, IL

11y 51,300 1,781 8

Afm. They are much harder to get. ST will be easy to get for years.

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#36 10 years ago
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PJF

rai

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20y 169K 18,798 34

wow thanks guys for voting and the great input.

I was kind of thinking the AFM would run away and hide, but then of course the ST is at it's peak of popularity but a lot of people have not played it yet either.

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#37 10 years ago
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PJF

rai

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20y 169K 18,798 34

Quoted from SilverBallz:

Afm. They are much harder to get. ST will be easy to get for years.

yes until the next PPS remake which could well be AFM with color LCD brand new for the same money as STLE

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#38 10 years ago
 
TDK

SilverBallz

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US Chicago, IL

11y 51,300 1,781 8

Well, that speculation puts a new spin on buying expensive wms games.
I Guess it depends on how much the afm is. But either way, st will be easy to get.

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#39 10 years ago
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PJF

rai

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20y 169K 18,798 34

Quoted from SilverBallz:

Well, that speculation puts a new spin on buying expensive wms games.
I Guess it depends on how much the afm is. But either way, st will be easy to get.

I know that I am speculating on AFM remake, but it's fairly logical that something like MB, AFM, or maybe CC is probably the most likely target with MB being a licensed pin and CC unknown code? than AFM is probably the easiest of the three to make.

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#40 10 years ago
 
ZZZ

CaptainNavidad

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US Philadelphia, PA

10y 64,050 626 7

AFM hands down

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#41 10 years ago
 
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fishmanrob

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US St. Louis, MO

10y 57,300 1,061

Played some AFM tonight. Great game. I can't possibilty see how you would give up a proven game to buy a ST LE if you had to pick one or the other right now.

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#42 10 years ago
 
GAV

gprotein

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US The Oc, CA

11y 75,800 1,351 19 6

Quoted from SilverBallz:

Afm. They are much harder to get. ST will be easy to get for years.

Huh? AFM >3000 not counting the remake, so God knows how many more. STLE =799. Really?

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#43 10 years ago
 
BYU

bayoubilly70

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US Westminster, MA

11y 79,550 2,063 7

AFM can't hold a candle to STLE. STLE all the way - fantastic game. Best game ever IMHO. I'd take STLE over any title ever created... and I've owned/restored over 100 titles over the years.

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#44 10 years ago
 
SMB

Concretehardt

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US Eugene, OR

11y 145K 10,075 2 27

Quoted from bayoubilly70:

AFM can't hold a candle to STLE. STLE all the way - fantastic game. Best game ever IMHO. I'd take STLE over any title ever created... and I've owned/restored over 100 titles over the years.

Damn!

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#45 10 years ago
 
ROB

RobT

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Quoted from bayoubilly70:

AFM can't hold a candle to STLE.

Let's not all go get crazy n shit.

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