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What would you give up for more mechs in pinball?

By Ericc123

3 years ago


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    #7 3 years ago

    With JJP pins I've found you don't have to give up anything. I know that sounds like a fanboy comment but in my opinion JJP is the only pinball company today that matches and exceeds Bally / Williams in terms of mechs. Combine that with the modern tech JJP uses and I don't have much interest buying older pins.

    Considering the crazy prices of today's NIB pins there's no excuse, other then greed, for companies not to include multiple interactive mechs on a pin.

    #12 3 years ago
    Quoted from Hazoff:

    Except speed and fun factor at least for me. Not trying to argue just saying, I think JJP does make a beautiful machine with lots going on, the trouble is that hasn't translated into fun for many consumers which is the business of making pinball machines. Thats why they can't compete with Stern, yeah sometimes those Sterns seem empty and not worth the money but damn are they fun to shoot and they are smart with theme choice.

    Yet many consumers love JJP games and think they are fun and fast. I've noticed the people that hate on JJP games don't have have one and likely never will. Also, JJP doesn't need to rush out 4+ titles a year to compete with Stern. They are a competitor to Stern as customers have been giving them money for 7+ years now that otherwise would have gone to Stern. Stern has lost millions of dollars in game sales to JJP.

    There's more to pinball then speed. Super high flow games from Stern have come at the sacrifice of interactive mechs and features. For $6k - $9k+ I need more then a couple ramps and orbits in a pin. Any game can be made super quick that way. For todays crazy NIB prices I want multiple interactive mechs, detailed 3D molds versus flat plastics, high quality animations, deep code with great mode choreography, etc. In my opinion only JJP is doing that.

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    #16 3 years ago
    Quoted from Palmer:

    When did JJP start selling $6k pins?

    Referring to Stern at that range. Yes for $6k - $7k a Stern pro should come with more then a couple ramps and orbits.

    Quoted from Hazoff:

    I don't why u keep going with that narrative, "Hate" JJP games? U know u are overly sensitive with this company. They have made what 5 games? isn't that a little low to suggest they "Never Will". U see what I'm saying here. Its great that u love all the mechs and feel ur getting ur moneys worth but that's not how the majority feels otherwise JJP would be a real contender.

    What is this majority you speak of? The Stern fanboy narrative that JJP isn't a contender or a real pinball company because they don't sell as many games as Stern is beyond played out. JJP doesn't need to put out 4+ rushed pins a year with a minimal number of features to compete with Stern. That's not the company they are trying to be, that's not why JJP was created. Starting with Wonka JJP now has a model, their standard edition, to target operators while still having their high end game models that they are known for. The same could be said for Stern, they are not trying to be JJP and couldn't release 4+ games a year at that level. There's room for both companies.

    This mindset that any company building high end products sucks and isn't a competitor is an odd one. I guess Rolex, and Ferrari should stop making products because they will never sell as many watches and cars as Timex and Ford. Those craft beer companies? They should just give up, they will never sell as many beers as Molson Coors.

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