Reinventing the wheel. Adding new stuff to a pinball machine that makes a pinball machine not look like a pinball machine. I play pinball to 'escape' the world problems and to be briefly removed from today's technology (ie phone and internet). This is why I hated the idea of JJP Dialed-In. When I play pinball I don't want anything to do with a cell phone or touch screens. This is why I am not a fan of this new Deeprot Pinbar thing. Maybe I am just too old (over 50) and the younger pinball players want to be 'dialed-in' to touch screen technology when they play pinball? However, how many 20-somethings are actually buying new pinball machines today?

Then why do pinball manufactures do it?

Deeproot's goal, I thought, was to make pinball machines easier to build and therefore lower the cost. Adding unnecessary touch screens, playfield glass hinge systems, new leg level things, speakers near the coin door and playfield lift systems add to the cost/assembly labor to produce a game.

Right. Deeproot has not manufactured anything yet so I'm sorry for calling them a pinball manufacture.

Totally agree, especially with the Hobbit. Every time I play it my ball times are way too long and I never have any fun playing it.